Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Look, you can have your opinion but don't resort to name-calling like you did towards this poster ("I'm sorry you're being a homer"...really?). This poster put up a good post and listed some QBs he wouldn't trade for Garoppolo - I'm assuming the context was for this scheme and what Shanahan wants to do. I wouldn't trade any of the above for him, either, in running this scheme and in doing what Shanahan wants to do at QB combined with with all of the talent & traits Garoppolo has shown so far and will continue to improve upon in my opinion.

If you're just looking at it from a standpoint of, "Who would you start a franchise with right now if given all the above QBs as options", well, that's another thing entirely and it would require some thought. To me, though, that's not what we're talking about here - we're talking about this team and this scheme under Shanahan.

Ohhh calm your tits

Stop acting like calling someone a homer on a 49er fan forum is some sacrilegious thing lol. We're all homers at some point in here

Originally posted by BumCity:

I don't think I'm on an island with that take. I think a lot of people would prefer 4 bad seasons if it meant 1 season where you had a legitimate shot to win the Super Bowl over 5 straight years of guaranteed wild card / divisional round exits. If the team is bad, then it is a lot easier to tune them out and not get emotionally invested whereas with the wild card team, it's just a string of crushing losses year after year.

Lol right no fan would take 4 out of 5 yrs going to the playoffs then drafting Mahomes and winning a SB

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Jimmy's physical talent at playing QB isn't gonna get marginally better 7 yrs into his career imo...he can learn the nuances of reading a defense and being more decisive in his reads. He can work on his mechanics (which looked pretty darn sloppy week 1). Those are things he can improve on for sure.

But how high is his ceiling at this point? I'm not saying he blows...I think he's a good QB. He's in a great offense that has shown to get the most out of the QB.

The fact that they didn't restructure Jimmy and even sniffed around at Brady leads me to believe they're not totally sold on him...he's got 2 yrs left on a decent contract.

If he has a good not great yr you thinking about giving him $30+M per yr?

I wouldn't rule out its impossible or improbable that Jimmy can improve in his 7th year. After all Jim Plunkett was kind of a late bloomer himself.

Gotta evaluate starts, not years with Jimmy G. He sat behind the Goat for 3.5 years and his second season here was a wash with a knee injury.

Agree. Jim Plunket was in a system that didn't fit his talents, and he didn't have the recievers he had in Raider land when he started his career. There have been cases like Rich Gannon too, where they were considered backups for a long long time and next thing you know, they are playing in the super bowl. Elway couldn't buy a super bowl, but put him in the right system with the right coach and his game turned around.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BumCity:
I don't think I'm on an island with that take. I think a lot of people would prefer 4 bad seasons if it meant 1 season where you had a legitimate shot to win the Super Bowl over 5 straight years of guaranteed wild card / divisional round exits. If the team is bad, then it is a lot easier to tune them out and not get emotionally invested whereas with the wild card team, it's just a string of crushing losses year after year.

Lol right no fan would take 4 out of 5 yrs going to the playoffs then drafting Mahomes and winning a SB

But that's what I'm saying? KC escaped from that cycle by drafting Mahomes, which is why I intentionally left those years off. Most teams don't get that fortunate and just remain mediocre.

And because we were so bad we actually could have taken Mahomes before they did, but Shanahan didn't even bother watching his film, because he was focused on getting Cousins. Not his best decision, but forgivable considering the good things he's done.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Jimmy Garoppolo has spoiled all of you. He's made you forget what average and poor QB play looks like.

Too many fans feeling themselves right now. Think Garoppolo owes them something. All that dude has done is win games.

He's a winner, i think something like 75% winning percentage. Not bad in my book.

Yeah, Jimmy is a keeper - can't wait to see how far he takes the team this year.

It can't hurt his game if Aiyuk and Deebo are playing at the same time in a game, that's for sure. If ever we get everybody on offense healthy, on paper, this looks like the '94 offense. Can't say that about the defense though.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Look, you can have your opinion but don't resort to name-calling like you did towards this poster ("I'm sorry you're being a homer"...really?). This poster put up a good post and listed some QBs he wouldn't trade for Garoppolo - I'm assuming the context was for this scheme and what Shanahan wants to do. I wouldn't trade any of the above for him, either, in running this scheme and in doing what Shanahan wants to do at QB combined with with all of the talent & traits Garoppolo has shown so far and will continue to improve upon in my opinion.

If you're just looking at it from a standpoint of, "Who would you start a franchise with right now if given all the above QBs as options", well, that's another thing entirely and it would require some thought. To me, though, that's not what we're talking about here - we're talking about this team and this scheme under Shanahan.

Why would you assume some of the talented QBs on that list wouldnt thrive with Shanahan? Thats what I dont get. What makes Jimmy perfect for this scheme and not QBs who are widely considered to be more talented?

It's my opinion from watching these QBs closely and watching every one of Garoppolo's games closely going back to NE. Again, in my opinion, we've not seen the best from Garoppolo and how talented he'll end up being in continuing to improve and help get wins for this team. Yet we've already seen some pretty good to very good (and clutch) things so far.

For this scheme and what Shanahan wants to do in running this offense and trying to dictate the flow of the game, I like where this team is right now with Garoppolo at QB going forward and wouldn't trade him for any of the above.

Does he have to continue to show he's the guy at QB in getting wins, and does he have to continue to definitely improve in some key areas? Of course he does, and I'm in the corner that he will from what I've seen. I hope I'm right.

I know most likely you and I don't agree on this and I can't add to my above comment more as I have to get back to work. We'll just agree to disagree and we'll see how it plays out going forward.

Originally posted by BumCity:

But that's what I'm saying? KC escaped from that cycle by drafting Mahomes, which is why I intentionally left those years off. Most teams don't get that fortunate and just remain mediocre.

And because we were so bad we actually could have taken Mahomes before they did, but Shanahan didn't even bother watching his film, because he was focused on getting Cousins. Not his best decision, but forgivable considering the good things he's done.

Winning a bunch of games with Alex Smith did absolutely NOTHING in regards to hurting them in winning the SB last yr. They moved from 27rh overall to 10 to scoop up Pat. They scouted him and wanted him (and paid for it).

Good teams sign good players and win games, they draft good players regardless of where they're drafting. They make trades to make themselves better.

Bad teams that continue to be bad draft poorly, hire bad coaches and spend money poorly.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

never said he was...also never said to move on from him, that's a wait and see with this season IMO.

I did throw out the idea of moving Jimmy to say the Bears for a couple 2nd rd picks, tender Mullens (bridge QB), and use picks to move up and get a guy like Trey Lance who probably won't be a top 5 pick in this draft.

They would save over $50M in cap space over the next two yrs moving Jimmy & they could resign whomever and look at FAs. They would have a cheap QB for 4-5 yrs.

Do you believe in Jimmy or the system/HC? Do you believe enough in Jimmy to resign him to $30+M per season? Those are questions that need to be figured out in a yr or so.

Agree. Give Jimmy, at minimum, this year and see how he does with some nice young weapons at his side(Aiyuk Deebo). Personally, I think this offense (with Kyle) will always be playoff caliber no matter which QB is playing (Nick or Jimmy), to me, its the defense that is the weak spot. But so far, not by much.

As for signing Jimmy to a 30 million contract, that will always depend on his performance. If he starts suddenly stinking it up, of course not. If Nick convinces the coach he is better than the starter (like in Kaepernick's case) then they will sign that QB to whatever the market value is. Its always going to be performance based more than potential, in my opinion.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Look, you can have your opinion but don't resort to name-calling like you did towards this poster ("I'm sorry you're being a homer"...really?). This poster put up a good post and listed some QBs he wouldn't trade for Garoppolo - I'm assuming the context was for this scheme and what Shanahan wants to do. I wouldn't trade any of the above for him, either, in running this scheme and in doing what Shanahan wants to do at QB combined with with all of the talent & traits Garoppolo has shown so far and will continue to improve upon in my opinion.

If you're just looking at it from a standpoint of, "Who would you start a franchise with right now if given all the above QBs as options", well, that's another thing entirely and it would require some thought. To me, though, that's not what we're talking about here - we're talking about this team and this scheme under Shanahan.

Ohhh calm your tits

Stop acting like calling someone a homer on a 49er fan forum is some sacrilegious thing lol. We're all homers at some point in here

I've of course heard the expression, "calm your tits"...never had it directed at me so far at age 52, though. Kind of funny, actually. Also, in my 44 years of being a diehard Niners fan (favorite team in all of sports - always, especially since football is #1 to me), I've never been called a Niners homer. I try to be objective and call them as I see them regarding this team - I've been as critical of this team as many going back to the consecutive 2-14 years in the '70s and even through the dynasty years up to now.

We'll agree to completely disagree on Garoppolo. Enough talk, looking forward to seeing the action play out on the field.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

You want to know how you measure a QB? Wins.

Not arm strength. Not mobility. Not release time. It's wins. That's all that matters in this league. And Jimmy gets wins.

Agree. A guy named Joe had a pretty average arm too, by most standards. But he did win, and win a lot. Lets give Jimmy a bit more time in this offense and have him develop some chemistry with his WRs, and I think we'll be wondering why we had a QB controversy in the first place.

Joe had other elite skill sets like sniper accuracy, elite leadership, played his best in BIG moments, elite at reading defense etc....How much longer you gonna "let" Jimmy develop? Just curious...IMO if he doesn't dial it up to the next level this season, then he's kinda who he is at that point. good not great QB that will get you wins on a good roster.

FWIW I don't have a QB controversy with any QB on the roster. Jimmy is QB1

How long will I stick with Jimmy? As long as his won/loss percentage doesn't currently drop, I'll stick with him. when it does drop, yeah, of course you begin to question and explore other options.

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

I've of course heard the expression, "calm your tits"...never had it directed at me so far at age 52, though. Kind of funny, actually. Also, in my 44 years of being a diehard Niners fan (favorite team in all of sports - always, especially since football is #1 to me), I've never been called a Niners homer. I try to be objective and call them as I see them regarding this team - I've been as critical of this team as many going back to the consecutive 2-14 years in the '70s and even through the dynasty years up to now.

We'll agree to completely disagree on Garoppolo. Enough talk, looking forward to seeing the action play out on the field.

First for everything I guess

Again I never said I thought jimmy was a bad QB, I have said over and over he's a good (not great QB). He needs to dial it up a notch this season imo...if he stays static what you doing? Restructuring his deal? Looking at extending him to over $30M per? Is he the LT guy for the next 5 or so yrs?

I'll keep bringing up the Smith/KC situation...if there's an opportunity to get a young QB that on another level talent wise that needs to be discussed. That's all.

I'll root for Jimmy as long as he wearing red and gold.

Originally posted by Giedi:

How long will I stick with Jimmy? As long as his won/loss percentage doesn't currently drop, I'll stick with him. when it does drop, yeah, of course you begin to question and explore other options.

That's fair, if we're winning because of things outside of QB play then what? The cap is a real thing with this team and if you can get Mullens to hold down the ship and save $45M, that's something to think about...if you're in a spot where a team is willing to give you some real trade assets for JG, that's something to think about....if we're in love we a QB draft prospect and make a move on him, that's something to think about

End of the day I just want to see Jimmy improve and ball out.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BumCity:
But that's what I'm saying? KC escaped from that cycle by drafting Mahomes, which is why I intentionally left those years off. Most teams don't get that fortunate and just remain mediocre.

And because we were so bad we actually could have taken Mahomes before they did, but Shanahan didn't even bother watching his film, because he was focused on getting Cousins. Not his best decision, but forgivable considering the good things he's done.

Winning a bunch of games with Alex Smith did absolutely NOTHING in regards to hurting them in winning the SB last yr. They moved from 27rh overall to 10 to scoop him up.

good teams bring in good players and win games, they draft good players regardless of where they're drafting. They make trades to make themselves better.

Bad teams that continue to be bad draft poorly, hire bad coaches and spend money poorly.

You can't count on landing a Mahomes like talent. He's the indisputable GOAT and that doesn't come around very often. It was also a gutsy move by them to even draft a QB when Alex was playing well for them and getting them to the playoffs every year, but they decided that they weren't going to settle for being mediocre and moved up for a QB that 10 other teams inexplicably passed on. Good for them, but because of where they were in the draft, a lot of things had to go their way for that to even be possible. If any of the teams ahead of them had fallen in love with Mahomes, then that team is probably the dynasty in the making instead of the Chiefs.

Originally posted by BumCity:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

He is a Superbowl winning quarterback.

So is Trent Dilfer...Foles isn't a 16 game starter.

It's a little different. Dilfer was carried by an all-time great defense. Foles outdueled the greatest QB of all time in the highest scoring Super Bowl ever.

I guess NY missed that little point...

Originally posted by BumCity:

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:

Originally posted by SD49er:

This thread has gone off the rails. Jimmy has one bad game against the Cardinals and all the sudden people are comparing him to Alex Smith and talking about Foles or Trubiski being better than him?! The expectations of 49ers fans are so unrealistic to the point where the fan base wants to dump a franchise qb with the hope of drafting the next Mahomes, which is insane. Look around the league at young quarterbacks. Jackson, Watson, Murray, Dak, Josh Allen, Minshew, Wentz, Cousins, Carr, Darnold, Stafford, and Mayfield has literally done squat in this league. I would not trade Jimmy for any of these guys based on the play I have seen from Jimmy. Goff and Ryan made it to super bowls, and have shown the ability, but Ryan is getting old and Goff is completely reliant on a run game. Even Mahomes played terrible in the super bowl. If it wasn't for an atrocious non call on Bosa on the Hill third down play the Chief's get skunked. People act like Brees, Rodgers, and Rivers have been perfect. These guys collectively have blown so many playoff games. People talk about Rodgers being the greatest talent ever (before Mahomes) and the guy won one super bowl. It took Russel Wilson years to develop into the QB he is today. The grass is very rarely greener when you have a QB who can actually play. Jimmy put up legit franchise numbers in his first full year, leads the league in fourth quarter wins, plays amazing on third down, and takes the team to the SB, but people are like "not good enough." This is crazy to me. Even Greg Cosell, who does a fantastic job evaluating QBs, really likes Jimmy. If we dump Jimmy, he will go to the Bears or Patriots and compete for a SB every year and we will all wish he was back on our team.

I seriously encourage these "fans" to go back and watch Tim Rattay, Ken Dorsey, Cody Pickett, Alex Smith, Trent Dillfer,Shaun Hill Chris Wenkie, JT O'Sullivan, Troy Smith, post 2012 Kaepernick, and Blaine Gabbert if they really need to see what bad qb play looks like

Give Jimmy the coaches and roster those guys had and I'm not sure if he'd even be in the top 3 on that list.

Can you imagine Jimmy in Tomsula's three yards and a cloud of dust scheme or Chip Kelly's 2 play offensive playbook? Comical. You think he has happy feet now?