Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
It's an interesting question that for me requires more thought. If QB1 on just about any team goes down, who has a better QB2 that can step in and run that team's particular scheme as well and as effectively as Mullens can run this scheme? Without a lot of drop off, without coaches having to scale down/simplify gameplans for QB2...

Sure, neither of the Niners' QBs are elite at this point, but when you take them together as a group and what they can do when called upon to keep the Niners offense effective, which other QB groups in the league are more effective?

Here are some QB groups where QB1 is elite: Mahomes/Henne...Wilson/Geno Smith...Brees/Hill...

The Niners may not have the top QB situation because of how good some of these elite guys are but I'd say right now they're Top 10 at least.

There's not a ton of drop off because the QB1 isn't really that special...I mean you're gonna expect massive drop off when you go from Rogers/Wilson/Dak/Mahomes/Ryan etc regardless of who the backup is. It's because their QB1 is elite, not necessarily because the backup is really good or bad IMO.

We have a good not great QB situation IMO....maybe (hopefully) Jimmy can make SF have a great QB situation. He's got the rest of 2020 to work on it and if not I won't be shocked if we add another QB (higher draft pick) that can actually make for real competition and create a plan long-term. I mean I'd much rather Jimmy ball out and prove he's the LT answer.

And there it is - the first part of your reply. I disagree. I think Garoppolo is pretty special (again, not elite at this point) from what he's showed in his 31 total NFL starts in helping his teams win 24 of those games. You don't feel the same. I feel he's going to continue to improve and get better. You don't. Just gotta agree to disagree, and I look forward to seeing him show his abilities & improving when he's back on the field this season and in future seasons for this team. I hope I'm right about him. I just know I really like what I've seen from him in his first 31 starts in this league.

Enough talk - moving on and looking forward to seeing it play out on the field.

I feel the same as the bolded. However, I dont use my opinion that he is going to improve as a way to argue what he is now. Just like I dont use his injury to excuse his lack of mobility. What he is is what he is. Can he get better? Sure. But if I think Jimmy is currently a 7 out of 10 (arbitrary ranking), I wouldnt call him an 8.5 out of 10 because I expect he will eventually get there.

Thats what many people in this thread are doing.

Back for Miami?

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
Back for Miami?

possible but I doubt it. I see the team letting him rest for that game - unless they want him to get some rust off before the brutal schedule.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I feel the same as the bolded. However, I dont use my opinion that he is going to improve as a way to argue what he is now. Just like I dont use his injury to excuse his lack of mobility. What he is is what he is. Can he get better? Sure. But if I think Jimmy is currently a 7 out of 10 (arbitrary ranking), I wouldnt call him an 8.5 out of 10 because I expect he will eventually get there.

Thats what many people in this thread are doing.

Totally fair. If I had to give Garoppolo such an arbitrary ranking of where he is right now, I'd agree at around a 7 or maybe 7.5 out of 10 - and can definitely improve to 8, 8.5, 9, who knows.

And that's my position. Some (and just some) of these posters are just labeling him as being "he is who he is" right now and don't expect him to improve much if at all just because he's a little older at 28. Like it's set in stone or something and the jury is out on the guy and that's it. Unreal.

Maybe I'm seeing a different player in his 31 total starts because I completely disagree with that train of thought and I've detailed why in previous posts so don't want to again. When he was in NE and getting the two starts, I remember watching and thinking, "This guy's a playmaker at the QB position...if the Niners could somehow get this guy." And when the Niners got him, I was ecstatic. Then, you see him go out in those first five starts and really help transform this bad team and make others around him instantly better...against some good competition that year (Jags, Titans). He has to keep improving and I'm looking forward to seeing it.

But talk is cheap...the results have to show themselves on the field. In the meantime, really pulling for Mullens to build upon his last start and hopefully continue to help get wins until Garoppolo returns.

This thread will be fun if Mullens kills it again and Jimmy's ankle feels better next week

Originally posted by 49ers808:
This thread will be fun if Mullens kills it again and Jimmy's ankle feels better next week

I'm really hoping for both: Mullens kills it again and Jimmy's ankle feels better next week.

Originally posted by dj43:

I would have been surprised (disappointed?) if he was back out today. High ankle sprains often take 4-6 weeks to heal, even then they can still be a bother. With the Eagles and Dolphins next in line, there is no reason to rush Jimmy, or anyone else, to come back right now. Maybe give him some snaps in the Miami game to shake off some rust before the Rams but for now, pump the brakes.

The report was 2 to 4 weeks, as long as he's ready to go for the game in NE I'm happy.

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

wrong. not midseason. it's a quarter into the season. get it right. or get out.

shanny was answered a question

he debunked it. shut it down. not happening, jimmy's the guy, it's his job to lose, it's "jimmy's team", Mullens played well, Jimmy will go when he's ready no ifs and's or butts.

GET OVER IT

Yes, but, depending on what transpires against the Eagles, there is now an leash.

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
It's an interesting question that for me requires more thought. If QB1 on just about any team goes down, who has a better QB2 that can step in and run that team's particular scheme as well and as effectively as Mullens can run this scheme? Without a lot of drop off, without coaches having to scale down/simplify gameplans for QB2...

Sure, neither of the Niners' QBs are elite at this point, but when you take them together as a group and what they can do when called upon to keep the Niners offense effective, which other QB groups in the league are more effective?

Here are some QB groups where QB1 is elite: Mahomes/Henne...Wilson/Geno Smith...Brees/Hill...

The Niners may not have the top QB situation because of how good some of these elite guys are but I'd say right now they're Top 10 at least.

There's not a ton of drop off because the QB1 isn't really that special...I mean you're gonna expect massive drop off when you go from Rogers/Wilson/Dak/Mahomes/Ryan etc regardless of who the backup is. It's because their QB1 is elite, not necessarily because the backup is really good or bad IMO.

We have a good not great QB situation IMO....maybe (hopefully) Jimmy can make SF have a great QB situation. He's got the rest of 2020 to work on it and if not I won't be shocked if we add another QB (higher draft pick) that can actually make for real competition and create a plan long-term. I mean I'd much rather Jimmy ball out and prove he's the LT answer.

And there it is - the first part of your reply. I disagree. I think Garoppolo is pretty special (again, not elite at this point) from what he's showed in his 31 total NFL starts in helping his teams win 24 of those games. You don't feel the same. I feel he's going to continue to improve and get better. You don't. Just gotta agree to disagree, and I look forward to seeing him show his abilities & improving when he's back on the field this season and in future seasons for this team. I hope I'm right about him. I just know I really like what I've seen from him in his first 31 starts in this league.

Enough talk - moving on and looking forward to seeing it play out on the field.

Is he really a Jets fan who is all butt hurt?

Originally posted by Gabberwocky:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:
wrong. not midseason. it's a quarter into the season. get it right. or get out.

shanny was answered a question

he debunked it. shut it down. not happening, jimmy's the guy, it's his job to lose, it's "jimmy's team", Mullens played well, Jimmy will go when he's ready no ifs and's or butts.

GET OVER IT

Yes, but, depending on what transpires against the Eagles, there is now an leash.

LOL said like a true Gabberwocky coughing up a hairball.

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

" When a QB has just taken your team to the super bowl, it takes more than one bad year for a team to move on from that QB.

As for Jimmy's deep strike, he needs WR's he can trust in to play good DB if its a contested catch and he under throws it, or isn't quite where the pass is supposed to be."


Sorry but it doesn't seem like common sense like your statement above is a trait of some of these clowns posting on here.

You have some still butt-hurt over "how the organization treated Alex & Kap.. you have some that "aren't impressed with Jimmys comeback wins because either we were not down enough or his throws weren't "exciting" enough"... and that same dude posts that "jimmy working his way down the field just isn't electric or dynamic enough when he wins games like wilson & mahomes".

My favorite are people posting s**t how jimmy isn't close to Rodgers or wilson or Ryan, etc yet don't quite understand HOW MANY MORE GAMES those players have played over jimmy. That seems to be irrelevant to the conversations.

Yea it's f**kin Barnum and Bailey around here cause the circus is in town with the clowns.

Aaron Rodgers and Bilbo Baggins both looked better than Jimmy the first year they started. You're calling people clowns while comparing Jimmy to surefire Hall of Famers. (And before you go comparing stats on Rodgers his first year and Garoppolo last year, stats don't tell the whole story, it was only Rodgers fourth year in the league (as opposed to sixth), Rodgers didn't have Shanahan, he had the 17th ranked rushing offense to help him, the 20th ranked defense to get him the ball back, and clearly had far superior arm talent and mobility).

The only people who look like clowns are the ones who compare Garoppolo to future Hall of Famers Aaron Rodgers and Bilbo Baggins in an way that suggests Garoppolo is going to match them. Keep dreaming. Garoppolo will be an serviceable, possibly above average QB who might make it to the Pro Bowl once or twice. He is not an First Ballot Hall of Famer like Rodgers or Baggins.


Rodgers will were an gold cloak. Baggins will wear an gold cloak. Jimmy might get to an Pro Bowl or two.

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

I'm really hoping for both: Mullens kills it again and Jimmy's ankle feels better next week.

An ideal scenario.

Originally posted by Goatie:

LOL said like a true Gabberwocky coughing up a hairball.

Garoppolo feeling Mullen breathing down his neck can only be an good thing. Either it makes Jimmy better or it makes him crumble so we can move on and save on his high salary. It's win-win long term. Short term could be an problem if Jimmy struggles, of course. If he regresses to Jittery Jimmy, the harm to the team will be dependent upon how short the aforementioned leash is.

On the other hand if he becomes Jimmy Guapollo instead, with the ice in his porn star slaying eyes, then it can only be good for the 49ers.

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

" When a QB has just taken your team to the super bowl, it takes more than one bad year for a team to move on from that QB.

As for Jimmy's deep strike, he needs WR's he can trust in to play good DB if its a contested catch and he under throws it, or isn't quite where the pass is supposed to be."


Sorry but it doesn't seem like common sense like your statement above is a trait of some of these clowns posting on here.

You have some still butt-hurt over "how the organization treated Alex & Kap.. you have some that "aren't impressed with Jimmys comeback wins because either we were not down enough or his throws weren't "exciting" enough"... and that same dude posts that "jimmy working his way down the field just isn't electric or dynamic enough when he wins games like wilson & mahomes".

My favorite are people posting s**t how jimmy isn't close to Rodgers or wilson or Ryan, etc yet don't quite understand HOW MANY MORE GAMES those players have played over jimmy. That seems to be irrelevant to the conversations.

Yea it's f**kin Barnum and Bailey around here cause the circus is in town with the clowns.

Tell that to Trent Dilfer. He didn't even get to defend his Super Bowl victory. When you have the #1 defense people don't always attribute those wins to your play. Jimmy had like 15 pass attempts during our 2 postseason games. Needless to say the d was the primary reason why we got as far as we did. That's not saying he's Dilfer or a liability but there's a reason we had discussions about bringing in Tom. No one with a secure franchise Pro Bowl QB does that. There is pressure on Jimmy to step his game up.

man, there shouldn't be any complaints on Grappy... we had no QB last year that could have taken us to the Super Bowl aside JIMMY!!

we lost the Super Bowl because of Shanahan... and to hist last Super Bowl interview, he still said he would not have changed a thing if he had to do it all over again... HOW STUPID IS THAT ??