Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

I just want to see Jimmy show more consistency and take care of the ball better.

This year will be a big test for him either way Imo.

Oh that's where I'm at...this is his season be more consistent and improve overall. take that next step.

if not, he might be who he is at this point...which isn't an awful thing he's a good QB currently. Not sure you restructure or give him an extension though.

if he shows consistency, improvement and the ability to strike deep, I think Kyle will sign him long-term and restructure that contract like you said previously. Its kind of like 2017, in a sense, a prove it year. Also, I think there is an assumption that he will be able to do so, with the addition of Aiyuk to the WR corps and the marginalizing of Pettis. In other words, I think if Kyle thought Jimmy was the problem, he'd have put more effort in getting more QB competition for Mullens, BeatHard and Jimmy in the offseason. Instead, they cut undrafted free agent Brock Rutter almost as soon as they signed him.

Totally... Consistency, Improvements and the ability to strike deep are what we're hoping for this year, or it may be his last season with the Niners.

When a QB has just taken your team to the super bowl, it takes more than one bad year for a team to move on from that QB.

As for Jimmy's deep strike, he needs WR's he can trust in to play good DB if its a contested catch and he under throws it, or isn't quite where the pass is supposed to be. He needs to have confidence that if he throws it, he can cut loose because he knows the WR can catch up to the ball. He doesn't have to worry about throwing it on a dime too often. All that takes a bit of time and some WR talent. I think he has two WRs that meet that criteria in Aiyuk and Deebo. All Jimmy needs now is the reps, unfortunately he's injured and those reps will have to wait a bit.

Those valuable reps are going to Mullens and just might slow Jimmys development, but it can't be helped. The ankle will heal at its own pace, and hopefully Nick slaughters the Eagles and gets us first round pick next year.

" When a QB has just taken your team to the super bowl, it takes more than one bad year for a team to move on from that QB.

As for Jimmy's deep strike, he needs WR's he can trust in to play good DB if its a contested catch and he under throws it, or isn't quite where the pass is supposed to be."


Sorry but it doesn't seem like common sense like your statement above is a trait of some of these clowns posting on here.

You have some still butt-hurt over "how the organization treated Alex & Kap.. you have some that "aren't impressed with Jimmys comeback wins because either we were not down enough or his throws weren't "exciting" enough"... and that same dude posts that "jimmy working his way down the field just isn't electric or dynamic enough when he wins games like wilson & mahomes".

My favorite are people posting s**t how jimmy isn't close to Rodgers or wilson or Ryan, etc yet don't quite understand HOW MANY MORE GAMES those players have played over jimmy. That seems to be irrelevant to the conversations.

Yea it's f**kin Barnum and Bailey around here cause the circus is in town with the clowns.

Agree. Everybody here, to a certain extent has varying degrees of football knowledge. Guys like THL, AB81 and JD, and many more are the elite class of the webzone. Whereas I know my place in the football knowledge pecking order and its not very pretty.

I know who to really pay attention to and who to just humor and encourage to open up their minds because its clear they just learned the rules yesterday. so I dont take it personally. Usually its those folks that fall into Susweels traps and I get to see them squirm while Sus is torturing them. Its a morbid kind of fun to see them get their comeuppance, so to speak. Its just a matter of time till Sus gets to them.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

I just want to see Jimmy show more consistency and take care of the ball better.

This year will be a big test for him either way Imo.

Oh that's where I'm at...this is his season be more consistent and improve overall. take that next step.

if not, he might be who he is at this point...which isn't an awful thing he's a good QB currently. Not sure you restructure or give him an extension though.

if he shows consistency, improvement and the ability to strike deep, I think Kyle will sign him long-term and restructure that contract like you said previously. Its kind of like 2017, in a sense, a prove it year. Also, I think there is an assumption that he will be able to do so, with the addition of Aiyuk to the WR corps and the marginalizing of Pettis. In other words, I think if Kyle thought Jimmy was the problem, he'd have put more effort in getting more QB competition for Mullens, BeatHard and Jimmy in the offseason. Instead, they cut undrafted free agent Brock Rutter almost as soon as they signed him.

Totally... Consistency, Improvements and the ability to strike deep are what we're hoping for this year, or it may be his last season with the Niners.

When a QB has just taken your team to the super bowl, it takes more than one bad year for a team to move on from that QB.

As for Jimmy's deep strike, he needs WR's he can trust in to play good DB if its a contested catch and he under throws it, or isn't quite where the pass is supposed to be. He needs to have confidence that if he throws it, he can cut loose because he knows the WR can catch up to the ball. He doesn't have to worry about throwing it on a dime too often. All that takes a bit of time and some WR talent. I think he has two WRs that meet that criteria in Aiyuk and Deebo. All Jimmy needs now is the reps, unfortunately he's injured and those reps will have to wait a bit.

Those valuable reps are going to Mullens and just might slow Jimmys development, but it can't be helped. The ankle will heal at its own pace, and hopefully Nick slaughters the Eagles and gets us first round pick next year.

Jimmy played his part last season no doubt, but I wouldn't give him too much credit for us reaching the super bowl last year either. Neither am I saying they'll move on from Jimmy.

I truly believe Kyle wants to see some Improvement From His Qb this reason before they make a full Investment by giving Jimbo a contract extension. To me, Jimmy has alot to prove this year, and he's not got of to the best of starts by losing to the Cards and now being Injured. Let's just hope this Injury doesn't linger on for too long.

I agree with you and NY85 that they want to see more of Jimmy before they restructure his contract. Heck, even i would want to see more consistencies on passes outside the hash marks and the deep throws too.

Having said that, I know enough football to know it takes two to tango on those deeper more precise passes. Its not all on the QB. A big part of deep passes is the speed and quickness of the WR, his hands, and his attitude to getting the ball. I've watched enough of Jerry rice to know that if Jerry wasn't Jerry, both Joe and Steve would probably have less jewelry on their fingers.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

If you have an actual FQB and they're not old as dirt you're not looking into Brady...the fact that SF looked into it shows that they WILL upgrade at any position.

Jimmy is the guy this yr and they ultimately felt that way because they didn't sign Brady (we all know if SF wanted Brady he would be the guy right now)...After this season it's not a conclusion that Jimmy will be the starter. He's gotta show that he can be more consistent. He's gotta show he's improving...if he doesn't do that (including stay healthy) don't be shocked if there are changes.

Totally agree there would be changes. They tossed Zigonia for Kocurek in an eye blink. They got rid of Kung Fu Cassius and brought in Ford and Bosa, got rid of Hoyer and got Jimmy. ShanaLynch move pretty fast when they want to upgrade a position.

Where its harder to move fast is where there's a grey area. Is Jimmys problem outside the hashmark passing a ceiling that he cannot overcome, or is it a temporary delay due to other factors like OLine talent or reciever talent? Those take a bit more to troubleshoot. Just like an intermittent mechanical breakdown in a car. Is it the carburetor or the fuel mixture?

It really helps to isolate the variable. In this case Mullens. If Mullens has no problems dropping dimes on 30+ yard passes and Jimmy does -- with the same personnel, then you can see what the problem is clearly. That's why Mullens doing well and Jimmy doing well when Jimmy is healthy will be a big part in solving the deep passing and outside the hashmark passing. Here's to hoping Nick slaughters the Eagle secondary and Jimmy torching the rest of the NFC west in November.

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

And there it is - the first part of your reply. I disagree. I think Garoppolo is pretty special (again, not elite at this point) from what he's showed in his 31 total NFL starts in helping his teams win 24 of those games. You don't feel the same. I feel he's going to continue to improve and get better. You don't. Just gotta agree to disagree, and I look forward to seeing him show his abilities & improving when he's back on the field this season and in future seasons for this team. I hope I'm right about him. I just know I really like what I've seen from him in his first 31 starts in this league.

Enough talk - moving on and looking forward to seeing it play out on the field.

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Originally posted by tjd808185:

Tell that to Trent Dilfer. He didn't even get to defend his Super Bowl victory. When you have the #1 defense people don't always attribute those wins to your play. Jimmy had like 15 pass attempts during our 2 postseason games. Needless to say the d was the primary reason why we got as far as we did. That's not saying he's Dilfer or a liability but there's a reason we had discussions about bringing in Tom. No one with a secure franchise Pro Bowl QB does that. There is pressure on Jimmy to step his game up.

Disagree. Jimmy faced three of the toughest teams in NFL history last season. 13-3 Green bay, 13-3 Baltimore and 13-3 Saints and won two out of three and the one he lost- he *barely* lost on pretty much the last play of the game.

Lol at anybody still trying to defend Jimmy like our own HC wasn't a c**t hair away from trading him. You don't even take that phone call if you have a QB you trust completely

Originally posted by Giedi:
Totally agree there would be changes. They tossed Zigonia for Kocurek in an eye blink. They got rid of Kung Fu Cassius and brought in Ford and Bosa, got rid of Hoyer and got Jimmy. ShanaLynch move pretty fast when they want to upgrade a position.

Where its harder to move fast is where there's a grey area. Is Jimmys problem outside the hashmark passing a ceiling that he cannot overcome, or is it a temporary delay due to other factors like OLine talent or reciever talent? Those take a bit more to troubleshoot. Just like an intermittent mechanical breakdown in a car. Is it the carburetor or the fuel mixture?

It really helps to isolate the variable. In this case Mullens. If Mullens has no problems dropping dimes on 30+ yard passes and Jimmy does -- with the same personnel, then you can see what the problem is clearly. That's why Mullens doing well and Jimmy doing well when Jimmy is healthy will be a big part in solving the deep passing and outside the hashmark passing. Here's to hoping Nick slaughters the Eagle secondary and Jimmy torching the rest of the NFC west in November.

For management in grading players, knowing when to leave may be smartest attribute of a coach or GM.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:
" When a QB has just taken your team to the super bowl, it takes more than one bad year for a team to move on from that QB.

As for Jimmy's deep strike, he needs WR's he can trust in to play good DB if its a contested catch and he under throws it, or isn't quite where the pass is supposed to be."

Sorry but it doesn't seem like common sense like your statement above is a trait of some of these clowns posting on here.

You have some still butt-hurt over "how the organization treated Alex & Kap.. you have some that "aren't impressed with Jimmys comeback wins because either we were not down enough or his throws weren't "exciting" enough"... and that same dude posts that "jimmy working his way down the field just isn't electric or dynamic enough when he wins games like wilson & mahomes".

My favorite are people posting s**t how jimmy isn't close to Rodgers or wilson or Ryan, etc yet don't quite understand HOW MANY MORE GAMES those players have played over jimmy. That seems to be irrelevant to the conversations.

Yea it's f**kin Barnum and Bailey around here cause the circus is in town with the clowns.

Tell that to Trent Dilfer. He didn't even get to defend his Super Bowl victory. When you have the #1 defense people don't always attribute those wins to your play. Jimmy had like 15 pass attempts during our 2 postseason games. Needless to say the d was the primary reason why we got as far as we did. That's not saying he's Dilfer or a liability but there's a reason we had discussions about bringing in Tom. No one with a secure franchise Pro Bowl QB does that. There is pressure on Jimmy to step his game up.

LOL. On your logic then it was the defense that is to blame for losing the Super Bowl because Jimmy could not have won it. In fact Jimmy got us into the lead. The defense got us out of the lead. Please enrol in logic school.

Originally posted by BimmerKing:

Lol at anybody still trying to defend Jimmy like our own HC wasn't a c**t hair away from trading him. You don't even take that phone call if you have a QB you trust completely

I must have missed this. What phone call? Who were they going to trade him to? You surely don't mean the Brady call?

Originally posted by English:
I must have missed this. What phone call? Who were they going to trade him to? You surely don't mean the Brady call?

Well I would say that Kyle was going to trade Jimmy off of his fantasy football team but since we know that kind of thing likely violates NFL rules to start with, it may have been a phone call in which someone offered Kyle an autographed Tom Brady deflated football for an autographed Jimmy G football and Kyle came really close to pulling the trigger on that one.

Originally posted by OhioNiner:

Originally posted by English:

I must have missed this. What phone call? Who were they going to trade him to? You surely don't mean the Brady call?

Well I would say that Kyle was going to trade Jimmy off of his fantasy football team but since we know that kind of thing likely violates NFL rules to start with, it may have been a phone call in which someone offered Kyle an autographed Tom Brady deflated football for an autographed Jimmy G football and Kyle came really close to pulling the trigger on that one.

You don't believe Kyle took that phone call?

Originally posted by BimmerKing:

Originally posted by OhioNiner:

Originally posted by English:
I must have missed this. What phone call? Who were they going to trade him to? You surely don't mean the Brady call?

Well I would say that Kyle was going to trade Jimmy off of his fantasy football team but since we know that kind of thing likely violates NFL rules to start with, it may have been a phone call in which someone offered Kyle an autographed Tom Brady deflated football for an autographed Jimmy G football and Kyle came really close to pulling the trigger on that one.

You don't believe Kyle took that phone call?

You still haven't answered the very relevant question posed to you of which phone call. So that would be a good place for you to start.

Other than that, yeah, he might have taken a phone call if there was one. I would imagine that is what NFL coaches and front offices do. Another team calls to inquire about a player or offer a player they at least take the call. Probably every single team almost every single time because all of them are curious to see and decide if a move will make them better or not. I don't know why that would be such a surprising revelation.

Originally posted by OhioNiner:

Originally posted by BimmerKing:

Originally posted by OhioNiner:

Originally posted by English:

I must have missed this. What phone call? Who were they going to trade him to? You surely don't mean the Brady call?

Well I would say that Kyle was going to trade Jimmy off of his fantasy football team but since we know that kind of thing likely violates NFL rules to start with, it may have been a phone call in which someone offered Kyle an autographed Tom Brady deflated football for an autographed Jimmy G football and Kyle came really close to pulling the trigger on that one.

You don't believe Kyle took that phone call?

You still haven't answered the very relevant question posed to you of which phone call. So that would be a good place for you to start.

Other than that, yeah, he might have taken a phone call if there was one. I would imagine that is what NFL coaches and front offices do. Another team calls to inquire about a player or offer a player they at least take the call. Probably every single team almost every single time because all of them are curious to see and decide if a move will make them better or not. I don't know why that would be such a surprising revelation.

We had to seriously discuss it to decide whether to go forward to where it could come close or not," Shanahan told Tim Kawakami on "The TK Show," as transcribed by NBC Sports Bay Area. "So it didn't come close, but that's why John and I had to put the time into it."


And oh idk, I feel like if you felt 100% confident and comfortable with your franchise QB, you wouldn't have to "seriously discuss" moving off of him for a 40 year old.

Originally posted by RishikeshA:

For management in grading players, knowing when to leave may be smartest attribute of a coach or GM.

Its a bit more than that. I mean kyle has brought in has-beens from other teams and made them stars here. Walsh did that with Steve Young, from USFL and Tampa Bay. Kyle with Goodwin and some of the OLinemen. You have to be able to see how a player fits into your system if you are the coach. Montana would not have done as well in an air Coryell system vs a Dan Fouts, for example. As for Jimmy, he's not going to do well in a long ball offense. That isn't his strength. But he fits perfectly in Kyles zone stretch boot action passing scheme. Then you have Mahomes who can fit in pretty much any offensive style, from RPO, WCO, air Coryell. Those guys go first round, first pick level of the draft. But again if you have a good coach, even a 6th round QB pick plus a good system - you can still win super bowls.

I still don't understand the fans that think Jimmy is going to keep getting better. He looks about the same to me as he did in 2017. After 31 starts, 2 playoffs and a SB he is who he is. Players don't just get better because they play more games. Eventually everyone reaches their peak and he may have reached his.

Look at what he does really well. He's got a very quick release and is very accurate in the short passing game that Kyle runs. After 3 years , he knows Kyle's offense or at least he should. Mullens has had far less reps and seems to know it fine. So I don't see a lot of room for improvement in the things he does well.

Now look at what he doesn't do well. He doesn't have a really strong arm and loses accuracy on deep throws. He doesn't seem to be able to drive the ball on deep sideline throws. He may be able to improve these a little with better mechanics but honestly after 7 years in the league, if he hasn't fixed those things I don't see a big chance that he will.

He doesn't run well and is not going to suddenly get faster. That keeps him from being able to keep plays alive by scrambling and removes the threat of breaking a big run on a 3rd and long.

He will likely learn to read defenses a little better and he should get more comfortable with his receivers. Those things will help a little. Players just don't continually improve. Many actually get worse. The Jimmy we have now may be all he ever will be. That's not bad and certainly enough to win with, but I just don't see this big window for improvement.