Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

We need to restucture Jimmy's contract if he staying in '21. He hasn't lived up to that contract.

Originally posted by MoeJontana84:
I would like to call a mulligan to this season cause of covid and losing Bosa and company early, but we have to be honest with ourselves.

We are paying a QB like a franchise QB to not play like he did against the worst pass defense in the league. That's all I can think about right now. Yes we are decimated by injuries, but if supposed inferior QBs with worse teams are able to keep playing against Wilson to the wire where only by Wilson magic they pull it out of their ass at the end, then the QB we are paying should be able to smack around their defense.

you are right, without a doubt. That being said, I don't think Jimmy is one of the worst QBs in the league. Tonight he looked like it, but a lot of that was just bad gameplan and bad playcalling in the 1st half. Kyle doesn't get enough of the blame because sometimes I feel like the media is too afraid to criticize him.

Originally posted by MoeJontana84:
I would like to call a mulligan to this season cause of covid and losing Bosa and company early, but we have to be honest with ourselves.

We are paying a QB like a franchise QB to not play like he did against the worst pass defense in the league. That's all I can think about right now. Yes we are decimated by injuries, but if supposed inferior QBs with worse teams are able to keep playing against Wilson to the wire where only by Wilson magic they pull it out of their ass at the end, then the QB we are paying should be able to smack around their defense.

You also have a QB that has been playing injured for weeks so Shanahan has been adapting the offense to limit his movement. If Mullens hadn't completely crapped the bed against the Eagles, perhaps Garoppolo wouldn't have been rushed back but it seems pretty clear that he's not close to 100% and that ankle is affecting his movement in the pocket as well as his accuracy.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Jimmy looked horrible today before he reaggravated the ankle injury. People blaming his performance today on the ankle are being disingenuous. He was fine for an overwhelming majority of the time he was in there.

Doesn't make sense - he looked horrible, then you say he was fine majority of the time. Which one is it?

Fine = not hurting

Cmon mayo lol

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Jimmy looked horrible today before he reaggravated the ankle injury. People blaming his performance today on the ankle are being disingenuous. He was fine for an overwhelming majority of the time he was in there.

Doesn't make sense - he looked horrible, then you say he was fine majority of the time. Which one is it?

Fine = not hurting

Cmon mayo lol

Sorry, you mixed me up.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Fine = not hurting

Cmon mayo lol

How do you define "not hurting?" Because he's not visibly grimacing after each throw? Ankle injuries tend to linger for long periods of time and from everything I've seen, he's not close to being healthy right now. He's not moving in the pocket like he did, he's not stepping into throws and having passes awkwardly sail on him. Where as there were always some issues with his footwork, its become far more pronounced and I think that is a direct result of him trying to adjust to the injury. If Mullens was playing better, I don't think Garoppolo would be out there but Shanahan felt like he had no better option than trying to work around the injury and hoping it didn't get further aggravated.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
you are right, without a doubt. That being said, I don't think Jimmy is one of the worst QBs in the league. Tonight he looked like it, but a lot of that was just bad gameplan and bad playcalling in the 1st half. Kyle doesn't get enough of the blame because sometimes I feel like the media is too afraid to criticize him.

no. Gameplan doesn't sail balls. Over and over. I think Jimmy LIMITS Kyle not the other way around. Gameplan for Rams was great but it was only bc Kyle knew how to own McVay. Have a coach that has been around a minute (leave NE out of this they lack talent), and we have to rely on our 27M a year QB to win a game. He can't do it this year. He could last year to an extent. He cant. He is an excellent average QB. What is that? Trubisky? Cousins? Goff? You good with that? I'm not. Neither are you. This is NOT on Kyle. It is Kyle's job to push him. Push the talent. Get their best. He is trying. One way street.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Fine = not hurting

Cmon mayo lol

How do you define "not hurting?" Because he's not visibly grimacing after each throw? Ankle injuries tend to linger for long periods of time and from everything I've seen, he's not close to being healthy right now. He's not moving in the pocket like he did, he's not stepping into throws and having passes awkwardly sail on him. Where as there were always some issues with his footwork, its become far more pronounced and I think that is a direct result of him trying to adjust to the injury. If Mullens was playing better, I don't think Garoppolo would be out there but Shanahan felt like he had no better option than trying to work around the injury and hoping it didn't get further aggravated.

We saw Jimmy limping once today (when he limped off the field the final time we saw him on it).

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by S41MAN:
Seattle took a page out of the dolphins gameplan and really confused Jimmy. They blitzed us a ton, something they usually don't do. People can moan about his ankle but it wasn't his arm that was the issue, dude was not seeing the field well and was holding the ball. As for his pick he does that every game, nothing new. In 2017, 2018, 2019 or whatever.

Jimmy is clearly the best QB on the roster but these inconsistent performances are a pain and a reason why the 49ers were sniffing around Brady. He keeps this up and his main competition isn't going be a noodle arm backup that's for sure.

I don't know how SEA made him confused, but it wasn't just on blitzes. He had numerous drop backs where he had time and didn't know where to go with the ball. I'll wait until the all22, but I can't believe that SEA's defense suddenly was able to cover. There had to be open receivers.

when is it out again? Tuesday?

If you want to use injury as an excuse, then look at the Arizona game where he was 100% healthy. How do we explain his bad performance then? The fact is that he shines some times but not consistently enough. It's enough to be a tease.

And why is play calling an excuse? Does Russ' OC never call a bad play? Reid? Aaron Rodgers' OC? Why is it that Jimmy's bad performances are always due to an injury, play calling or something else, while the elite QBs in the league simply perform well consistently despite such circumstances?

Originally posted by kansasninerfan:
I've been mostly quiet while watching Jimmy regress over this entire season. NYniner85 and I have exchange Pms as he and I see the same thing. I own 2 jerseys: #52 and #10. I am a Jimmy homer. It is important I say that cuz I've been around awhile.

It is time to move on. The Salary cap relief alone justifies the move. Stop with the Jimmycuses. Alexcuses about killed me. It isn't easy to move on but change is good. I believe Kyle in this case is better than the player. I'd rather take the gamble on Kyle's ability to coach up a talent than try and work a game plan around our QBs limitations. The trick play where he threw back across the field showed me what I've been seeing all season. The arm limits what he can do. The arm limits what Kyle wants to call. Oh the ankle. Stop.

At this point I would rather see what another QB could do. I hate it. I'm a fanboy. I'm old enough to be his dad but still a fan of Jimmy. Bill Walsh let them go earlier than later. I hated him for it at times. He was right.

well said

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
How do you define "not hurting?" Because he's not visibly grimacing after each throw? Ankle injuries tend to linger for long periods of time and from everything I've seen, he's not close to being healthy right now. He's not moving in the pocket like he did, he's not stepping into throws and having passes awkwardly sail on him. Where as there were always some issues with his footwork, its become far more pronounced and I think that is a direct result of him trying to adjust to the injury. If Mullens was playing better, I don't think Garoppolo would be out there but Shanahan felt like he had no better option than trying to work around the injury and hoping it didn't get further aggravated.

was he even listed on the injury report as questionable before the game?

come on phoenix. Do you really believe this?

Originally posted by kansasninerfan:
no. Gameplan doesn't sail balls. Over and over. I think Jimmy LIMITS Kyle not the other way around. Gameplan for Rams was great but it was only bc Kyle knew how to own McVay. Have a coach that has been around a minute (leave NE out of this they lack talent), and we have to rely on our 27M a year QB to win a game. He can't do it this year. He could last year to an extent. He cant. He is an excellent average QB. What is that? Trubisky? Cousins? Goff? You good with that? I'm not. Neither are you. This is NOT on Kyle. It is Kyle's job to push him. Push the talent. Get their best. He is trying. One way street.

I do think Jimmy limits Kyle's playcalling for sure, but that being said, the playcalling today didn't do him any favors. Lots of terrible calls. The wild cat. The screen to Taylor.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
How do you define "not hurting?" Because he's not visibly grimacing after each throw? Ankle injuries tend to linger for long periods of time and from everything I've seen, he's not close to being healthy right now. He's not moving in the pocket like he did, he's not stepping into throws and having passes awkwardly sail on him. Where as there were always some issues with his footwork, its become far more pronounced and I think that is a direct result of him trying to adjust to the injury. If Mullens was playing better, I don't think Garoppolo would be out there but Shanahan felt like he had no better option than trying to work around the injury and hoping it didn't get further aggravated.

was he even listed on the injury report as questionable before the game?

come on phoenix. Do you really believe this?

Originally posted by kansasninerfan:
no. Gameplan doesn't sail balls. Over and over. I think Jimmy LIMITS Kyle not the other way around. Gameplan for Rams was great but it was only bc Kyle knew how to own McVay. Have a coach that has been around a minute (leave NE out of this they lack talent), and we have to rely on our 27M a year QB to win a game. He can't do it this year. He could last year to an extent. He cant. He is an excellent average QB. What is that? Trubisky? Cousins? Goff? You good with that? I'm not. Neither are you. This is NOT on Kyle. It is Kyle's job to push him. Push the talent. Get their best. He is trying. One way street.

I do think Jimmy limits Kyle's playcalling for sure, but that being said, the playcalling today didn't do him any favors. Lots of terrible calls. The wild cat. The screen to Taylor.

Yeah, the wild cat on 3rd and 4 - was a horrible call.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by MoeJontana84:

I would like to call a mulligan to this season cause of covid and losing Bosa and company early, but we have to be honest with ourselves.

We are paying a QB like a franchise QB to not play like he did against the worst pass defense in the league. That's all I can think about right now. Yes we are decimated by injuries, but if supposed inferior QBs with worse teams are able to keep playing against Wilson to the wire where only by Wilson magic they pull it out of their ass at the end, then the QB we are paying should be able to smack around their defense.

You also have a QB that has been playing injured for weeks so Shanahan has been adapting the offense to limit his movement. If Mullens hadn't completely crapped the bed against the Eagles, perhaps Garoppolo wouldn't have been rushed back but it seems pretty clear that he's not close to 100% and that ankle is affecting his movement in the pocket as well as his accuracy.

He looked just as bad week one.

His ankle may or may not be affecting his passes, but that shouldn't affect his ability to think when it comes to making the correct reads.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
How do you define "not hurting?" Because he's not visibly grimacing after each throw? Ankle injuries tend to linger for long periods of time and from everything I've seen, he's not close to being healthy right now. He's not moving in the pocket like he did, he's not stepping into throws and having passes awkwardly sail on him. Where as there were always some issues with his footwork, its become far more pronounced and I think that is a direct result of him trying to adjust to the injury. If Mullens was playing better, I don't think Garoppolo would be out there but Shanahan felt like he had no better option than trying to work around the injury and hoping it didn't get further aggravated.

was he even listed on the injury report as questionable before the game?

come on phoenix. Do you really believe this?

Originally posted by kansasninerfan:
no. Gameplan doesn't sail balls. Over and over. I think Jimmy LIMITS Kyle not the other way around. Gameplan for Rams was great but it was only bc Kyle knew how to own McVay. Have a coach that has been around a minute (leave NE out of this they lack talent), and we have to rely on our 27M a year QB to win a game. He can't do it this year. He could last year to an extent. He cant. He is an excellent average QB. What is that? Trubisky? Cousins? Goff? You good with that? I'm not. Neither are you. This is NOT on Kyle. It is Kyle's job to push him. Push the talent. Get their best. He is trying. One way street.

I do think Jimmy limits Kyle's playcalling for sure, but that being said, the playcalling today didn't do him any favors. Lots of terrible calls. The wild cat. The screen to Taylor.

Yeah, the wild cat on 3rd and 4 - was a horrible call.

It is easy to blame the QB for bad calls by the coach or the Oline failing to stop rushers or the receiver not being where he is meant to be or the RB dropping the ball on the ground and the WR picking it up and saving a turn over.