Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

I don't know how much the ankle is bothering him. He looked fine until just before he left the game. If it's really bothering him so much that he can't play better than that then sit him until he is really ready. He's not doing the team any favors if he's not healthy.He's played in 6 games this year and here's his numbers.
1096 yards 183 pere game
7 Tds 5 INTs

His last 4 games
706 yards 177 per game
3 TDs 5 INTs

Clearly he's not playing well for some reason. They can't keep sending him out there and hoping something good is going to happen. As a side note, they mentioned during the broadcast that he was lifting his back foot when he threw. I started watching that and he didn't do it on every throw. I also watched Wilson and he lifts his on nearly every throw. it's part of his follow through. Just like a pitcher does. I have to wonder if that ankle has thrown his mechanics out of whack and he's not following through.

If protection needs to be perfect, player 100% healthy and calls executed perfectly just to not get embarrassed then maybe this QB isn't worth what he's making given what he's incapable of overcoming

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I don't know how much the ankle is bothering him. He looked fine until just before he left the game. If it's really bothering him so much that he can't play better than that then sit him until he is really ready. He's not doing the team any favors if he's not healthy.He's played in 6 games this year and here's his numbers.
1096 yards 183 pere game
7 Tds 5 INTs

His last 4 games
706 yards 177 per game
3 TDs 5 INTs

Clearly he's not playing well for some reason. They can't keep sending him out there and hoping something good is going to happen. As a side note, they mentioned during the broadcast that he was lifting his back foot when he threw. I started watching that and he didn't do it on every throw. I also watched Wilson and he lifts his on nearly every throw. it's part of his follow through. Just like a pitcher does. I have to wonder if that ankle has thrown his mechanics out of whack and he's not following through.

apparently high ankles can come back at literally any time. so he may have been fine in Shanahan's eyes during the week throwing up until the game. Or, Jimmy is telling them he's fine and good enough to play and wasn't. idk anymore. but it's clear he shouldn't be back out there for the rest of the season at this point.

I honestly, don't know how anyone can view him as the long term answer for our team. I really don't. I'm not saying Nick Mullens is the long term answer either but he gives our offense the best chance to be successful. Yes he throws some balls that he shouldn't throw but I would like to think with experience he would get better at that. He's only started like 10 games while also only getting limited reps in practice. When JG was 16 starts in we kept saying he needed more experience, the same can ring true with Mullens.

Again, not saying Mullens will be the next great QB. I just think he gives us the best chance. Also, not basing it off of his garbage time stats. Basing it off of he's not afraid to give his guys a chance to make plays and threaten a defense. If he can hit the layups while picking his spots to threaten downfield this offense will look the way Shanny wants it to look. It will NEVER consistently look like that under Jimmy

Originally posted by hubbyt:

Question for you all - would the 49ers be a better team as is with Jimmy G next year or with Mullens and using Jimmy's salary to get a starting Center, Guard and another pass rusher or corner? Could probably add 3 new quality starters with what Jimmy is making to be mediocre. It doesnt take a $27 million dollar QB to throw screens, ins/slants and handoff to Deebo on reverses.

Yeah sure that sounds all good on paper. But next year when we have a super talented team that should be championship quality but Nick Mullens at QB holding it back, how are people gonna feel? When we lose a game or two or three because we needed a throw that Nick Mullens couldnt make. How are people gonna feel? They're gonna be pissed. We're wasting this great team with this mediocre QB. Nobody is going to be thinking rationally and long term at that point.

All this does is change the problem from 127 mill an who cant get it done to 20 mil QB who cant get it done. Same result. We're still gonna need a QB.

Originally posted by random49er:
As we had with Kittle, and thankfully never had to find out, a question arises:

What is Jimmy G's current market value? What kind of dollars would Jimmy command on the open market?

I think this is something we've gotta 1st ponder to have a beat on what happens this offseason. If Jimmy knows he can get the same amount, there's no reason for him to give into a restructure.

Knowing that no team would even give him half of what we're giving him is clearly an incentive to cut him if need be with the intentions of resigning him.

I'm assuming nothing in the contract's current language prevents this.

I feel like the Bears or Patriots would love to sit down and have a convo regarding Jimmy. I have no idea what trade value they could get, but they could ultimately restructure his deal to give him some GTD cash but lower his cap hit. He's basically on a team-option deal for the remainder of his contract, which is valuable.

IMO we can't just stay status quo with him though...either restructure or trade him in the off season. They must free up cap space. I also think drafting a QB to groom/develop should be discussed.

They should give Jimmy one more year to play out his contract. They should also draft a QB in the second round.
What does Shanahan have against athletic QBs? Could have gotten Maholmes but he's not a fit because he's athletic.

Originally posted by RonMexico:
If protection needs to be perfect, player 100% healthy and calls executed perfectly just to not get embarrassed then maybe this QB isn't worth what he's making given what he's incapable of overcoming

All I know is, if Matt Ryan is indeed let go in the off season, which I seriously doubt, I fear the Garoppolo era will come to an end.

Originally posted by RonMexico:
If protection needs to be perfect, player 100% healthy and calls executed perfectly just to not get embarrassed then maybe this QB isn't worth what he's making given what he's incapable of overcoming

Boom! Hit the nail right on the head and drove it completely through!

I've called for more throws downfield many times to at least loosen up the defense and at best get some big plays. Big plays ignite a team and can break the other teams back. Yesterday was a chance to do that against a team with a weak pass rush. Instead they rolled out the same playbook and the Seahawks starting sending Wagner straight up the middle. For some reason, the Niners couldn't figure out howe to pick him up. Once or twice I can understand it but he kept doing it.

After the game, both Jeff Garcia and Donte Whitner said they need to start throwing some deeper passes to keep the defense honest. Some of us have been saying that for weeks. If they can get the ball in the vicinity there's at least a chance that they can get a PI call. You can't expect a QB that isn't normally asked to throw deep or a line that isn't used to holding blocks that long to suddenly become good at it late in a game when they're trailing.

Originally posted by Antix:

Originally posted by hubbyt:

Question for you all - would the 49ers be a better team as is with Jimmy G next year or with Mullens and using Jimmy's salary to get a starting Center, Guard and another pass rusher or corner? Could probably add 3 new quality starters with what Jimmy is making to be mediocre. It doesnt take a $27 million dollar QB to throw screens, ins/slants and handoff to Deebo on reverses.

Yeah sure that sounds all good on paper. But next year when we have a super talented team that should be championship quality but Nick Mullens at QB holding it back, how are people gonna feel? When we lose a game or two or three because we needed a throw that Nick Mullens couldnt make. How are people gonna feel? They're gonna be pissed. We're wasting this great team with this mediocre QB. Nobody is going to be thinking rationally and long term at that point.

All this does is change the problem from 127 mill an who cant get it done to 20 mil QB who cant get it done. Same result. We're still gonna need a QB.

Ummmm people feel that way now with Jimmy and last year in the playoffs especially. Definitely not suggesting Mullens is the long term answer but Jimmy isnt looking the part. You cant pay a guy almost 30M that your scared to let throw the ball. 3rd downs are where QBs earn their keep and here we are running wildcat plays and throwing half our pass attempts within one yard or behind the line of scrimmage. You can get that from just about any QB.

While it's debatable whether Jimmy at full strength is the best we can do, this clearly isn't the real Jimmy. He was out there because he was the best option we had when healthy -- but that's the problem. He's not. Play to play, game to game, the inconsistency is maddening. The more weapons we lose, the more we have no chance to scheme around his injury-driven restrictions. That negative paired with his other flaws or limitations are an absolute recipe for disaster.

Mullens delivered some deep dimes yesterday which made my eyes bug out a little. He beat the blitz more often. These are things Jimmy can do when healthy, but even then, it's not consistent. The fact that -- even at his best -- Jimmy isn't that much better than Mullens at his best (at least in some areas), that really shows we've got a major problem.

I don't know how bad Jimmy has to be for us to move on. I just hope whatever happens, we don't look back thinking "what if" while being stuck with mid-tier player who may not ever surpass that level.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
While it's debatable whether Jimmy at full strength is the best we can do, this clearly isn't the real Jimmy. He was out there because he was the best option we had when healthy -- but that's the problem. He's not. Play to play, game to game, the inconsistency is maddening. The more weapons we lose, the more we have no chance to scheme around his injury-driven restrictions. That negative paired with his other flaws or limitations are an absolute recipe for disaster.

Mullens delivered some deep dimes yesterday which made my eyes bug out a little. He beat the blitz more often. These are things Jimmy can do when healthy, but even then, it's not consistent. The fact that -- even at his best -- Jimmy isn't that much better than Mullens at his best (at least in some areas), that really shows we've got a major problem.

I don't know how bad Jimmy has to be for us to move on. I just hope whatever happens, we don't look back thinking "what if" while being stuck with mid-tier player who may not ever surpass that level.

We are also likely to lose some players next year so our window is closing a little. It may take a couple of good drafts to get back to the SB. We definitely need to draft a QB somewhere in the draft since it's likely at least one of our backups will leave anyway. With Jimmy's injury history becoming an issue, it's questionable how long he will be here. Even the best QBs aren't useful when they can't stay on the field.

Jimmy ain't it regardless of injury.

Originally posted by hubbyt:

Originally posted by Antix:

Originally posted by hubbyt:

Question for you all - would the 49ers be a better team as is with Jimmy G next year or with Mullens and using Jimmy's salary to get a starting Center, Guard and another pass rusher or corner? Could probably add 3 new quality starters with what Jimmy is making to be mediocre. It doesnt take a $27 million dollar QB to throw screens, ins/slants and handoff to Deebo on reverses.

Yeah sure that sounds all good on paper. But next year when we have a super talented team that should be championship quality but Nick Mullens at QB holding it back, how are people gonna feel? When we lose a game or two or three because we needed a throw that Nick Mullens couldnt make. How are people gonna feel? They're gonna be pissed. We're wasting this great team with this mediocre QB. Nobody is going to be thinking rationally and long term at that point.

All this does is change the problem from 127 mill an who cant get it done to 20 mil QB who cant get it done. Same result. We're still gonna need a QB.

Ummmm people feel that way now with Jimmy and last year in the playoffs especially. Definitely not suggesting Mullens is the long term answer but Jimmy isnt looking the part. You cant pay a guy almost 30M that your scared to let throw the ball. 3rd downs are where QBs earn their keep and here we are running wildcat plays and throwing half our pass attempts within one yard or behind the line of scrimmage. You can get that from just about any QB.

What you're saying makes sense, I just think we should avoid keeping the same problem. Mullens and an upgraded team is just same thing all over again, like you said. And even though it might make sense money wise people are gonna be pissed at Lynch and Shannahan for not taking the required steps to make us SB winners.

But I said it in another post, theres a long way to go. We're only halfway through the season and a lot can and will change.