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Originally posted by NYniner85:Originally posted by Jeepzilla:Excellent post Phoenix.
Tough to be rationale when we are losing, however, to think just drafting a QB & we will be better moving Fwd is wishful thinking.
Doing nothing isn't the answer either.
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I've called for more throws downfield many times to at least loosen up the defense and at best get some big plays. Big plays ignite a team and can break the other teams back. Yesterday was a chance to do that against a team with a weak pass rush. Instead they rolled out the same playbook and the Seahawks starting sending Wagner straight up the middle. For some reason, the Niners couldn't figure out howe to pick him up. Once or twice I can understand it but he kept doing it.
After the game, both Jeff Garcia and Donte Whitner said they need to start throwing some deeper passes to keep the defense honest. Some of us have been saying that for weeks. If they can get the ball in the vicinity there's at least a chance that they can get a PI call. You can't expect a QB that isn't normally asked to throw deep or a line that isn't used to holding blocks that long to suddenly become good at it late in a game when they're trailing.
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
While it's debatable whether Jimmy at full strength is the best we can do, this clearly isn't the real Jimmy. He was out there because he was the best option we had when healthy -- but that's the problem. He's not. Play to play, game to game, the inconsistency is maddening. The more weapons we lose, the more we have no chance to scheme around his injury-driven restrictions. That negative paired with his other flaws or limitations are an absolute recipe for disaster.
Mullens delivered some deep dimes yesterday which made my eyes bug out a little. He beat the blitz more often. These are things Jimmy can do when healthy, but even then, it's not consistent. The fact that -- even at his best -- Jimmy isn't that much better than Mullens at his best (at least in some areas), that really shows we've got a major problem.
I don't know how bad Jimmy has to be for us to move on. I just hope whatever happens, we don't look back thinking "what if" while being stuck with mid-tier player who may not ever surpass that level.
Originally posted by ShotTime:Originally posted by NYniner85:Originally posted by Jeepzilla:Excellent post Phoenix.
Tough to be rationale when we are losing, however, to think just drafting a QB & we will be better moving Fwd is wishful thinking.
Doing nothing isn't the answer either.
Exactly -
It's ridiculous when these same posters keep saying to us "well what's your answer at qb then" wtf do I know the exact answer is? I don't need to wait to throw out sour milk before I replace it from the store.
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:Originally posted by OnTheClock:While it's debatable whether Jimmy at full strength is the best we can do, this clearly isn't the real Jimmy. He was out there because he was the best option we had when healthy -- but that's the problem. He's not. Play to play, game to game, the inconsistency is maddening. The more weapons we lose, the more we have no chance to scheme around his injury-driven restrictions. That negative paired with his other flaws or limitations are an absolute recipe for disaster.
Mullens delivered some deep dimes yesterday which made my eyes bug out a little. He beat the blitz more often. These are things Jimmy can do when healthy, but even then, it's not consistent. The fact that -- even at his best -- Jimmy isn't that much better than Mullens at his best (at least in some areas), that really shows we've got a major problem.
I don't know how bad Jimmy has to be for us to move on. I just hope whatever happens, we don't look back thinking "what if" while being stuck with mid-tier player who may not ever surpass that level.
We are also likely to lose some players next year so our window is closing a little. It may take a couple of good drafts to get back to the SB. We definitely need to draft a QB somewhere in the draft since it's likely at least one of our backups will leave anyway. With Jimmy's injury history becoming an issue, it's questionable how long he will be here. Even the best QBs aren't useful when they can't stay on the field.
I really thought he was the one.
Originally posted by SkyZer0:
the deep attempts to Aiyuk looked as if they were finally beginning to do that. hopefully it continues with Mullens this Thursday night or whoever starts,
Originally posted by ninerfan4life:I think it's almost a given that we'll trade for Matt Ryan this offseason
Originally posted by OnTheClock:While it's debatable whether Jimmy at full strength is the best we can do, this clearly isn't the real Jimmy. He was out there because he was the best option we had when healthy -- but that's the problem. He's not. Play to play, game to game, the inconsistency is maddening. The more weapons we lose, the more we have no chance to scheme around his injury-driven restrictions. That negative paired with his other flaws or limitations are an absolute recipe for disaster.
Mullens delivered some deep dimes yesterday which made my eyes bug out a little. He beat the blitz more often. These are things Jimmy can do when healthy, but even then, it's not consistent. The fact that -- even at his best -- Jimmy isn't that much better than Mullens at his best (at least in some areas), that really shows we've got a major problem.
I don't know how bad Jimmy has to be for us to move on. I just hope whatever happens, we don't look back thinking "what if" while being stuck with mid-tier player who may not ever surpass that level.
Originally posted by sacniner:
That's an awful thing to be known for, especially if you aren't a true gunslinger like Favre who could make up for it with super human throws.
Originally posted by Ensatsu:To be honest, I have not even bothered looking at college QBs yet. Because what is the point? Until the organization makes it clear that they're in the market for a new QB, I find it a waste of time personally. It's far more likely they'll draft another defensive lineman in the first round rather than a quarterback regardless of how bad Jimmy has been
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by SkyZer0:
the deep attempts to Aiyuk looked as if they were finally beginning to do that. hopefully it continues with Mullens this Thursday night or whoever starts,
They had no choice since they were trailing. I think Seattle was probably playing a little softer so that made it a little easier. I don't know if Nick can do that against a good defense. He doesn't have the greatest arm and he's not mobile at all. If they were sending Wagnet at him he wouldn't have had time to throw those.
Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
I think it's almost a given that we'll trade for Matt Ryan this offseason
Originally posted by sacniner:Originally posted by OnTheClock:While it's debatable whether Jimmy at full strength is the best we can do, this clearly isn't the real Jimmy. He was out there because he was the best option we had when healthy -- but that's the problem. He's not. Play to play, game to game, the inconsistency is maddening. The more weapons we lose, the more we have no chance to scheme around his injury-driven restrictions. That negative paired with his other flaws or limitations are an absolute recipe for disaster.
Mullens delivered some deep dimes yesterday which made my eyes bug out a little. He beat the blitz more often. These are things Jimmy can do when healthy, but even then, it's not consistent. The fact that -- even at his best -- Jimmy isn't that much better than Mullens at his best (at least in some areas), that really shows we've got a major problem.
I don't know how bad Jimmy has to be for us to move on. I just hope whatever happens, we don't look back thinking "what if" while being stuck with mid-tier player who may not ever surpass that level.
Great post. Best one in the thread since yesterday's debacle