Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Jimmy had the best combination of speed/talent/scheming on offense this team has seen since the Walsh/Seifert days.

You're right when you say that 2014 offense was dog sh. Jon and Marcus Martin, so obviously no run game (or pass pro). Boldin, Stevie, and Lloyd were pretty much toast at that point. VD dropped everything (and continued to do so in Denver). Coaches already out the door. Definitely not garbage to gain 4k yds in that situation imo. I know Jimmy couldn't do it lol

Last post here since this isn't Jimmy vs Kap thread but he was throwing to a rookie and Pettis for half the year last year. Kap would have 70 yards passing tops by the time we traded for Sanders. Look how Shanny's o has performed every time Jimmy isn't in the ballgame. It's dog sh.

The talent isn't that great here. Kittle is awesome and we got some ok talent at receiver but they're young and we got to scheme a bunch of hoopla to get them the ball. I'm sure Shanny can run with Kap like he did with Griffin but the team wouldn't pass over 3k.

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
Well if we're gonna win a few more and it looks like we may, I think I am off the dump Jimmy wagon. It only works if we can stay in the top ten picks. We appear to be getting healthy enough to win at least a couple more which makes the move to costly. We are going to have to go with a restructure to spread out his money and grab a raw but high potential prospect later on. Give me a blue chip interior lineman in round 1 now.

winning last night (as NYniner85 said it well I think) it was basically all or nothing based off the result.

I checked out mentally weeks ago, but since players are returning and there's still an outside shot at playoffs, and a much worse shot at a top 10 pick, have no choice but to dive back into potential playoff aspirations.

they may have a decent shot if Jimmy and Kittle can come back in the remaining weeks. just very conflicted and confused right now, lol.

niners won and its like, "welp. no tank pretty much".

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Ah for some reason I had Kap at 4108 instead of 4008. Still dangerously close to Kaps "garbage" 2014. And it wouldn't matter if Kap had 0 passing yds and 4k rushing yds in 2014. All yards count the same.

Disagree because Kap's runs counts as running plays. He's taking carries at the expense of the back. That's the nature of an option call.

If we had a higher ranking than 20th you might have a case here but passing for 4k plus whatever your rb's gives you will almost always lead to a better o.

he's been super duper hardcore anti-Alex and pro-Kapdespite the fact they've been off the team for over 4~7+ years now lol

Originally posted by okdkid:
Poverty mentality in this thread.

This team is built to win right now. It's not rebuilding. It doesn't need to "retool" or whatever BS trope fans type into their keyboard.

When healthy this is very likely the best roster in the NFL. Certainly top 3.

Garoppolo has been too good to you. You've forgotten what absolute s**t QB play looks like. We can't do better in the offseason with a veteran...and we won't do s**t in 2021 with a rookie QB. That's that.

The time to win is right now. Not 2022.

Win right now as in this yr?? I mean you don't honestly think that's reality...I'm glad they won and maybe they can get that last wild card spot. I don't think looking at in objectively this team can win it all this yr, just too many long-term injuries. Is what it is 2020 is a f**k.

As far as poverty mentality...I agree to a point but my view is different. We as fans have been forced to watch awful QB play for well over a decade. We finally get competent QB play and we all have made Jimmy out to be something he's really not IMO. I've used the metaphor of when a new girl starts working at your place of business, if there are no other women around, she instantly becomes better looking regardless of the truth...when you have NOTHING, even a little something because awesome lol.

As far as not "retooling" and this team is built to win now...please throw out a realistic plan on how you're gonna sustain this championship roster going into 2021? I've given my plan.

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
Well if we're gonna win a few more and it looks like we may, I think I am off the dump Jimmy wagon. It only works if we can stay in the top ten picks. We appear to be getting healthy enough to win at least a couple more which makes the move to costly. We are going to have to go with a restructure to spread out his money and grab a raw but high potential prospect later on. Give me a blue chip interior lineman in round 1 now.

winning last night (as NYniner85 said it well I think) it was basically all or nothing based off the result.

I checked out mentally weeks ago, but since players are returning and there's still an outside shot at playoffs, and a much worse shot at a top 10 pick, have no choice but to dive back into potential playoff aspirations.

they may have a decent shot if Jimmy and Kittle can come back in the remaining weeks. just very conflicted and confused right now, lol.

niners won and its like, "welp. no tank pretty much".

Correct sir.

This was a must win to have even the slightest chance to get into the playoffs. I'll be rooting all the way

Honestly I don't think it changes too much as far as what they do roster wise after the season. Some hard truths will have to happen.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Last post here since this isn't Jimmy vs Kap thread but he was throwing to a rookie and Pettis for half the year last year. Kap would have 70 yards passing tops by the time we traded for Sanders. Look how Shanny's o has performed every time Jimmy isn't in the ballgame. It's dog sh.

The talent isn't that great here. Kittle is awesome and we got some ok talent at receiver but they're young and we got to scheme a bunch of hoopla to get them the ball. I'm sure Shanny can run with Kap like he did with Griffin but the team wouldn't pass over 3k.

It's a Jimmy thread, it can be Jimmy vs anyone......

Anyways, Kap had it much worse than Jimmy on every level in 2016. He averaged around 250 yds and 1.7 TDs a game. Just like 2019 Jimmy

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

It's a Jimmy thread, it can be Jimmy vs anyone......

Anyways, Kap had it much worse than Jimmy on every level in 2016. He averaged around 250 yds and 1.7 TDs a game. Just like 2019 Jimmy

No, he only averaged 186 yards passing a game. Again it goes back to him running which comes at the expense of running backs which typically leads to a poorer offense since the passing game is doo doo.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Now you wanna switch it up lol. A carry is a carry. Doesn't matter who takes the carry. The #1 rushing attacks usually have a dual threat QB. It helps the run game it doesn't hurt it

It's actually you who wants to switch it up and recreate the rules. No one goes by total yards. There's a passing leader how come I never heard of this total yards leader? How come if I look up at Young's stats total yards for the year never pops up?

And you lost it anyways so who cares. Jimmy still beat him.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

It's a Jimmy thread, it can be Jimmy vs anyone......

Anyways, Kap had it much worse than Jimmy on every level in 2016. He averaged around 250 yds and 1.7 TDs a game. Just like 2019 Jimmy

No, he only averaged 186 yards passing a game. Again it goes back to him running which comes at the expense of running backs which typically leads to a poorer offense since the passing game is doo doo.

LoL... @ the expense of running backs?? That's creative.

I guess Jimmy's passes of 5 yards or less along the LOS that rack up a bunch of YAC passing yards are all fair game and to be respected though, right? We could play this game forever. I mean if you are going to negate stats, let's do so on both sides.

You may not like the 30 to 40 yard breakaways for Touchdowns,... But all of that stuff comes at the expense of the other team. They're all counted the same,...the guy produced what he produced.

Just line him up in double shot gun.

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Originally posted by random49er:

LoL... @ the expense of running backs?? That's creative.

I guess Jimmy's passes of 5 yards or less along the LOS that rack up a bunch of YAC passing yards are all fair game and to be respected though, right? We could play this game forever. I mean if you are going to negate stats, let's do so on both sides.

You may not like the 30 to 40 yard breakaways for Touchdowns,... But all of that stuff comes at the expense of the other team. They're all counted the same,...the guy produced what he produced.

The point is if you call an option play and Kap takes it you're attributing run plays into the qb's passing #'s.

If we had a good overall I I'd look past it but we didn't so. Our o's were below average to garbage every year except for 2012.

No... I've seen posters simply say how many yards he averaged (earned) per game. Passing wasn't mentioned, but replied with.

But like I said,... Alot of Jimmy's yards are really exaggerated runs anyway,... So a debate like this is going nowhere fast.

I always felt passing yards should only be counted when the ball is thrown beyond the line of scrimmage. This isn't a shot at JG. I always felt it was wrong to give the QB credit for a 35 yard TD pass when he threw the ball to a back behind the line of scrimmage who takes the ball all the way. It's no different than a handoff. The credit the QB with a pass if he flips the ball forward to a back or receiver now. That's just crazy.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Poverty mentality in this thread.

This team is built to win right now. It's not rebuilding. It doesn't need to "retool" or whatever BS trope fans type into their keyboard.

When healthy this is very likely the best roster in the NFL. Certainly top 3.

Garoppolo has been too good to you. You've forgotten what absolute s**t QB play looks like. We can't do better in the offseason with a veteran...and we won't do s**t in 2021 with a rookie QB. That's that.

The time to win is right now. Not 2022.

Win right now as in this yr?? I mean you don't honestly think that's reality...I'm glad they won and maybe they can get that last wild card spot. I don't think looking at in objectively this team can win it all this yr, just too many long-term injuries. Is what it is 2020 is a f**k.

As far as poverty mentality...I agree to a point but my view is different. We as fans have been forced to watch awful QB play for well over a decade. We finally get competent QB play and we all have made Jimmy out to be something he's really not IMO. I've used the metaphor of when a new girl starts working at your place of business, if there are no other women around, she instantly becomes better looking regardless of the truth...when you have NOTHING, even a little something because awesome lol.

As far as not "retooling" and this team is built to win now...please throw out a realistic plan on how you're gonna sustain this championship roster going into 2021? I've given my plan.

Why don't you have these same standards for OL play and unit pass protection in general? I love this mindset!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by okdkid:
Poverty mentality in this thread.

This team is built to win right now. It's not rebuilding. It doesn't need to "retool" or whatever BS trope fans type into their keyboard.

When healthy this is very likely the best roster in the NFL. Certainly top 3.

Garoppolo has been too good to you. You've forgotten what absolute s**t QB play looks like. We can't do better in the offseason with a veteran...and we won't do s**t in 2021 with a rookie QB. That's that.

The time to win is right now. Not 2022.

Win right now as in this yr?? I mean you don't honestly think that's reality...I'm glad they won and maybe they can get that last wild card spot. I don't think looking at in objectively this team can win it all this yr, just too many long-term injuries. Is what it is 2020 is a f**k.

As far as poverty mentality...I agree to a point but my view is different. We as fans have been forced to watch awful QB play for well over a decade. We finally get competent QB play and we all have made Jimmy out to be something he's really not IMO. I've used the metaphor of when a new girl starts working at your place of business, if there are no other women around, she instantly becomes better looking regardless of the truth...when you have NOTHING, even a little something because awesome lol.

As far as not "retooling" and this team is built to win now...please throw out a realistic plan on how you're gonna sustain this championship roster going into 2021? I've given my plan.

Why don't you have these same standards for OL play and unit pass protection in general? I love this mindset!

The difference is the QB is one person. He's always the main focus on the team. It's JG VS Aaron Rodgers not the 49ers O line vs the Packers. The line is 5 guys that need to operate as one to be really good.