Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I always felt passing yards should only be counted when the ball is thrown beyond the line of scrimmage. This isn't a shot at JG. I always felt it was wrong to give the QB credit for a 35 yard TD pass when he threw the ball to a back behind the line of scrimmage who takes the ball all the way. It's no different than a handoff. The credit the QB with a pass if he flips the ball forward to a back or receiver now. That's just crazy.

yeah same. kind of dumb. air yards should be the "passing" yards.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Poverty mentality in this thread.

This team is built to win right now. It's not rebuilding. It doesn't need to "retool" or whatever BS trope fans type into their keyboard.

When healthy this is very likely the best roster in the NFL. Certainly top 3.

Garoppolo has been too good to you. You've forgotten what absolute s**t QB play looks like. We can't do better in the offseason with a veteran...and we won't do s**t in 2021 with a rookie QB. That's that.

The time to win is right now. Not 2022.

Win right now as in this yr?? I mean you don't honestly think that's reality...I'm glad they won and maybe they can get that last wild card spot. I don't think looking at in objectively this team can win it all this yr, just too many long-term injuries. Is what it is 2020 is a f**k.

As far as poverty mentality...I agree to a point but my view is different. We as fans have been forced to watch awful QB play for well over a decade. We finally get competent QB play and we all have made Jimmy out to be something he's really not IMO. I've used the metaphor of when a new girl starts working at your place of business, if there are no other women around, she instantly becomes better looking regardless of the truth...when you have NOTHING, even a little something because awesome lol.

As far as not "retooling" and this team is built to win now...please throw out a realistic plan on how you're gonna sustain this championship roster going into 2021? I've given my plan.

Why don't you have these same standards for OL play and unit pass protection in general? I love this mindset!

The difference is the QB is one person. He's always the main focus on the team. It's JG VS Aaron Rodgers not the 49ers O line vs the Packers. The line is 5 guys that need to operate as one to be really good.

True but when our DL destroyed their OL x2 last year, Rodgers vs. Garoppolo no longer mattered, did it? And that's the point. You're looking at the end result, not the source of the issues.

Originally posted by NCommand:
True but when our DL destroyed their OL x2 last year, Rodgers vs. Garoppolo no longer mattered, did it? And that's the point. You're looking at the end result, not the source of the issues.

Not at all. I was just pointing out why the reaction to the QB play is different. I agree that the O line is really important and have posted on this forum that if I was building a team I would start with the O line then the D line. Then proceed to the skill positions. I say this because it never made sense to me to invest in a true franchise type QB and then let him get beat to a pulp. It's not as bad today as it used to be since the rules don't allow the defense to breath on the QB but I still like a good O line.

Good and even very good O lines can be built without investing high draft picks every year. One great tackle and a great center can be the foundation to build around. Then it's a matter of keeping them together for awhile and quality coaching. The Niners have what they need except the great center. Then they need to stay healthy and together. Remember that this was Trent's first year here and they got no pre season. Draft a good center this year and let's see what next yar brings. You don't need pro bowlers at every position.

Any chance he plays next week Monday?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Why don't you have these same standards for OL play and unit pass protection in general? I love this mindset!

I never said the OL shouldn't or can't be improved...I've stated there's a s**t ton that goes in PP outside of just OL play. You simply won't acknowledge that lol.

That's all

Originally posted by NCommand:

True but when our DL destroyed their OL x2 last year, Rodgers vs. Garoppolo no longer mattered, did it? And that's the point. You're looking at the end result, not the source of the issues.

It's not just one thing though...getting a RG isn't gonna make our PP some elite unit if the QB play is still meh.

Jacoby Brissett was still hot trash with that same colts OL last yr...Winston was in the top 10 in sck% last yr in TB, Brady is 29th.

It's a plethora of things that create good/bad PP, OL is just one part.

If we win one more game - I don't see us getting any of the top draft prospects.

As a result, JG will be our QB next season.

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

If we win one more game - I don't see us getting any of the top draft prospects.

As a result, JG will be our QB next season.

JG will be our QB next season regardless

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
If we win one more game - I don't see us getting any of the top draft prospects.

As a result, JG will be our QB next season.

we weren't going tp draft high enough to get a good QB. We would have to trade anyways..so why lose when losing wasn't going to help ?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

True but when our DL destroyed their OL x2 last year, Rodgers vs. Garoppolo no longer mattered, did it? And that's the point. You're looking at the end result, not the source of the issues.

It's not just one thing though...getting a RG isn't gonna make our PP some elite unit if the QB play is still meh.

Jacoby Brissett was still hot trash with that same colts OL last yr...Winston was in the top 10 in sck% last yr in TB, Brady is 29th.

It's a plethora of things that create good/bad PP, OL is just one part.

I agree. You can say the same about QB.

My question is why don't you want or have the same standards for protection so your rookie QB has a better chance of developing properly?

Do you think they can do both?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Why don't you have these same standards for OL play and unit pass protection in general? I love this mindset!

I never said the OL shouldn't or can't be improved...I've stated there's a s**t ton that goes in PP outside of just OL play. You simply won't acknowledge that lol.

That's all

Oh I'm the king of acknowledging ALL of it. I've stated a million times unit pass protection is key and there are many variables that make it up. Unit pass protection is just not a high priority. Never was. And that remains today.

Changing a QB isn't going to change that UNLESS they finally approach team building it like they do with the DL...keep adding talent at all levels until the standard is met.

I mentioned something weeks ago that was ignored and I wanted to bring it up again since I at least saw Nick attempt to do it yesterday....

Does Jimmy ever try to call out where a blitz is coming from before the snap? I saw Nick do it yesterday a bit. I see it happening from other QBs a lot too. But I almost never see Jimmy do it.

Like NY said, a lot of OL play has to do with other factors. And some of those factors Jimmy is horrid at. He needs to improve.

no matter the qb our pass protection sucks. the interior of the line is horrible. get the wisconsin center with the first pick if he is still there. i hope jimmy is on his way back as we won in spite of nicks best efforts to lose the game

Originally posted by NCommand:

I agree. You can say the same about QB.

My question is why don't you want or have the same standards for protection so your rookie QB has a better chance of developing properly?

Do you think they can do both?

I look around the league and I see A LOT of QBs playing well that don't have a million first rd picks and high end FAs on their OL.

Guard especially isn't something that requires top end draft capital for it to be a successful player....there's a plethora of examples to back that up. You most certainly can't say the same for QB lol.

Develop sure...giving up top 50 picks for guards. No thanks.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Why don't you have these same standards for OL play and unit pass protection in general? I love this mindset!

I never said the OL shouldn't or can't be improved...I've stated there's a s**t ton that goes in PP outside of just OL play. You simply won't acknowledge that lol.

That's all

Oh I'm the king of acknowledging ALL of it. I've stated a million times unit pass protection is key and there are many variables that make it up. Unit pass protection is just not a high priority. Never was. And that remains today.

Changing a QB isn't going to change that UNLESS they finally approach team building it like they do with the DL...keep adding talent at all levels until the standard is met.

Common ground?

Add an "E" to UNIT and maybe you two can take a break from the Oline stuff for a month or two... Lol