Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by shinndiesel:

Shanny will convince Andrew luck to come out of retirement.

Still under contract with the colts

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

I do agree with you in some of your points. He has points and counter-points in his post.

To play devil's advocate to your previous post, Brady, Rodgers, Big Ben, tannehill, brees, fitzmagic, Goff, Wilson etc etc are all QBs that appear to making to the postseason too.

And I also see the counter to your "if you're going to pay your QB a f**k ton of money...." quote. We didn't/aren't paying jimmy a f**k ton of money. We are paying him market value for a good QB at the time of his signing..... you know that 😂.

I actually tend to side with you in your assessment that we should draft one of the top 3 QBs (not fields) if FEASIBLE.

It may not be feasible

According to matt maiocco Jimmy G is making the second most actual cash next yr only behind Goff.

Brady/Rogers/Big Ben/Wilson etc are all most likely HOFers & elevate the team around them. I wouldn't say Jimmy/Tannehill/Goff do that.

Fitz magic is making $8M this yr and the Saints are winning without Brees. They're also gonna be like $70M over the cap next yr

I'll take a rookie and a stud roster with this coaching staff over Jimmy and a subpar roster....hey we will see. There's plenty of proof showing rookie contract QBs on a stacked roster is a legit way to have long-term success.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

I do agree with you in some of your points. He has points and counter-points in his post.

To play devil's advocate to your previous post, Brady, Rodgers, Big Ben, tannehill, brees, fitzmagic, Goff, Wilson etc etc are all QBs that appear to making to the postseason too.

And I also see the counter to your "if you're going to pay your QB a f**k ton of money...." quote. We didn't/aren't paying jimmy a f**k ton of money. We are paying him market value for a good QB at the time of his signing..... you know that 😂.

I actually tend to side with you in your assessment that we should draft one of the top 3 QBs (not fields) if FEASIBLE.

It may not be feasible

According to matt maiocco Jimmy G is making the second most actual cash next yr only behind Goff.

Brady/Rogers/Big Ben/Wilson etc are all most likely HOFers & elevate the team around them. I wouldn't say Jimmy/Tannehill/Goff do that.

Fitz magic is making $8M this yr and the Saints are winning without Brees. They're also gonna be like $70M over the cap next yr

I'll take a rookie and a stud roster with this coaching staff over Jimmy and a subpar roster....hey we will see. There's plenty of proof showing rookie contract QBs on a stacked roster is a legit way to have long-term success.

There's no proof, there's evidence. And for each piece of evidence in favor of your argument there's more than one piece of evidence against it.

Winston, Mariota, Haskins, etc etc.

We are saying the same thing, you are just a lot more absolute in your way ahead.

If we can feasibly get Wilson or lance I'm all for it. If we stay with jim because he won't take the trade or a pay adjustment.... It'll have to work and I won't be pissy so long as we have a good draft.

After what I saw yesterday, I'm a lot more optimistic than I was. A healthy 49ers team is a problem for anyone.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The Niners are in a really tough spot with JG. They probably aren't going to draft high enough to get one of the top 3 QBs. After that the odds of getting a winner start to drop. Jimmy's salary is a huge issue next year because of all the free agents we have. On top of that, he'll be coming back from a second serious injury in 3 years.

So the Niners are faced with signing a QB that is not as highly thought of as he was last year and hasn't shown he can stay healthy or going all in on a rookie. I suppose they could let Nick or CJ start the season if the rookie wasn't ready. I don't know that they can keep JG unless he agrees to a major cut in salary for next season. The only good thing about this situation is that they can part company without taking a big hit.

Completely disagree. I think the Niners are in a great spot with Garoppolo. Having a QB of his caliber...and then you continue to pair him with this starting roster they've built along with some key reserves. Here's why (speaking to a lot of the areas you mentioned):

-They still can draft a quality young backup in a guy like Mac Jones, perhaps in the 2nd, to be groomed by Shanahan and provide some healthy competition to Garoppolo going forward (gives the Niners more talent at the most important position in football...and talent that's on a rookie contract).

-You mention, "I suppose they could let Nick or CJ start the season if the rookie wasn't ready." No thank you. Starting next season with this roster and having Mullens or Beathard as the starter would hopefully never happen as it would be a disaster. We've seen four years of these two...this team with this quality roster needs a better backup QB, and why not draft a young, talented guy like Jones who could give this offense a good chance in any game if for some reason pressed into duty.

-Garoppolo's salary next year is $26M...10 other QBs are making more next year (and maybe more by the time next season starts)...I think a healthy Garoppolo for this team is definitely worth that salary next year (for such a premium position, you have to pay for it a little bit when you have a quality starter like JG).

-Regarding the $ needed for Free Agents, this team has only one very expensive starter to hopefully re-sign and that's Trent Williams. After that, there's only six other starters to re-sign (Juice & Brunskill on offense, D.J. Jones, K. Williams, Verrett & Moseley on defense). There's other key reserves to hopefully re-sign but none are going to break the bank...Hyder's excellent play might put him out of reach but guys like J. Reed, Wilson, Dwelley, Blair will be cheap. Regarding next year's cap, as jonnydel pointed out, no one knows exactly what the salary cap level will be as EVERY TEAM is going to be affected, especially many good teams continuing to pay for high-level talent, teams that are in much worse shape salary-wise than the Niners...some kind of compromise/agreement will hopefully take place between the league & players yet we all know the owners want to make as much $ as possible...the pandemic has created an unprecedented situation regarding the cap next year.

-Garoppolo has shown he can stay healthy. 2019 was just last year...he started all 19 games last year and didn't leave a single game due to injury. 20 of 32 teams last year had QBs that didn't start 16 regular season games. We'll see what this year's number looks like at season's end. Yes, Garoppolo has had some injuries...this is football and QBs are especially vulnerable (as we see every season). Hopefully, the team will address the C position/IOL. We all want him to stay healthy as we've seen what he can do in helping lead this team to many, many wins - I'll put next year's healthy starters with Garoppolo against any other team and I'll like the Niners' chances in every game.

If Garoppolo comes back healthy this season, perhaps after another two games, and Mullens can do enough to hopefully help win at least one of these next two games, I think the Niners would have a shot at making the expanded playoffs. And if they can get in, look out! They have many guys from last year who gained valuable playoff experience & success. Once you're in the playoffs, anything can happen (also, getting guys back like Kittle, Aiyuk & K. Williams will help).

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by genus49:
Why would I forget Goff unless your goal is to lose a SB? We did that last year and you're looking to replace Jimmy.

Wentz wasn't the starting QB and Foles while cheap wasn't on his rookie deal. Are you going to say the way to win SBs is to find a cheap backup and rely on him in the playoffs?

It's a stretch man. Your ultimate point is to find a stud QB and hope your team is good enough when he's on his rookie deal because that gives you the best window to win multiple but out of all the guys who were on their rookie deals only 1 got back to the SB and none have won it more than once though of course Mahomes is likely on his way to doing it unless something breaks down but he's arguably the best QB in the game right now and has the contract extension of half a billion to show for it.

There have been multiple teams who have invested in QB early who had pretty good teams and they didn't get to the SB or won it. Flacco was the only one who wasn't an elite QB and it was in his 5th year that he went on that crazy tear in the playoffs.

You "simply" need a great QB and a good team around him. These guys can't win on their own and your team has to be pretty much perfect in all other aspects if your QB isn't better than average.

Garoppolo is better than average when healthy but he's certainly nowhere near Mahomes/Wilson levels. That's why I don't mind the idea of adding a guy who MAY be...but I am hesitant to just send Jimmy away without confirming the guy we get is the real deal.

Just thinking about some of these really good teams adding young QBs early

Denver - Paxton Lynch at one point dude was considered the top QB in that class. Denver adds him to a roster that just won the SB with the Corpse of Peyton Manning. Never sniff a SB. He's out of the league in 2 years.

Ravens - Lamar Jackson - this one is still pending and he looked unreal last season but they're falling off big time this year.

Houston - traded up for Deshaun Watson - made the playoffs but fell apart, granted due to some trash GMing

KC - obviously THE decision but once again we're talking about guy considered the best QB in the game so unless your point is "find the best QB in the game in the draft" then why even bring it up?

Can't find too many other examples outside of going back to Aaron Rodgers to the Packers and he didn't win the SB until he was on his 2nd contract with them.

So in summation obviously adding a great QB talent to your team, especially with talent already on the roster is likely to get you great results. But it's not always work out that way as the Paxton Lynch example clearly shows.

Lynch had all the things people are looking to replace Jimmy with - size, athletic ability, big arm, can make all the throws, mobile, great deep ball, throws well on the run.

How'd that work out for Denver?

This is the only post worth reading.

Strongly disagree.

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Completely disagree. I think the Niners are in a great spot with Garoppolo. Having a QB of his caliber...and then you continue to pair him with this starting roster they've built along with some key reserves. Here's why (speaking to a lot of the areas you mentioned):

-They still can draft a quality young backup in a guy like Mac Jones, perhaps in the 2nd, to be groomed by Shanahan and provide some healthy competition to Garoppolo going forward (gives the Niners more talent at the most important position in football...and talent that's on a rookie contract).

-You mention, "I suppose they could let Nick or CJ start the season if the rookie wasn't ready." No thank you. Starting next season with this roster and having Mullens or Beathard as the starter would hopefully never happen as it would be a disaster. We've seen four years of these two...this team with this quality roster needs a better backup QB, and why not draft a young, talented guy like Jones who could give this offense a good chance in any game if for some reason pressed into duty.

-Garoppolo's salary next year is $26M...10 other QBs are making more next year (and maybe more by the time next season starts)...I think a healthy Garoppolo for this team is definitely worth that salary next year (for such a premium position, you have to pay for it a little bit when you have a quality starter like JG).

-Regarding the $ needed for Free Agents, this team has only one very expensive starter to hopefully re-sign and that's Trent Williams. After that, there's only six other starters to re-sign (Juice & Brunskill on offense, D.J. Jones, K. Williams, Verrett & Moseley on defense). There's other key reserves to hopefully re-sign but none are going to break the bank...Hyder's excellent play might put him out of reach but guys like J. Reed, Wilson, Dwelley, Blair will be cheap. Regarding next year's cap, as jonnydel pointed out, no one knows exactly what the salary cap level will be as EVERY TEAM is going to be affected, especially many good teams continuing to pay for high-level talent, teams that are in much worse shape salary-wise than the Niners...some kind of compromise/agreement will hopefully take place between the league & players yet we all know the owners want to make as much $ as possible...the pandemic has created an unprecedented situation regarding the cap next year.

-Garoppolo has shown he can stay healthy. 2019 was just last year...he started all 19 games last year and didn't leave a single game due to injury. 20 of 32 teams last year had QBs that didn't start 16 regular season games. We'll see what this year's number looks like at season's end. Yes, Garoppolo has had some injuries...this is football and QBs are especially vulnerable (as we see every season). Hopefully, the team will address the C position/IOL. We all want him to stay healthy as we've seen what he can do in helping lead this team to many, many wins - I'll put next year's healthy starters with Garoppolo against any other team and I'll like the Niners' chances in every game.

If Garoppolo comes back healthy this season, perhaps after another two games, and Mullens can do enough to hopefully help win at least one of these next two games, I think the Niners would have a shot at making the expanded playoffs. And if they can get in, look out! They have many guys from last year who gained valuable playoff experience & success. Once you're in the playoffs, anything can happen (also, getting guys back like Kittle, Aiyuk & K. Williams will help).

Nice post. Unfortunately the bolded was so laughable I almost forgot what the rest of the post was about.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Completely disagree. I think the Niners are in a great spot with Garoppolo. Having a QB of his caliber...and then you continue to pair him with this starting roster they've built along with some key reserves. Here's why (speaking to a lot of the areas you mentioned):

-They still can draft a quality young backup in a guy like Mac Jones, perhaps in the 2nd, to be groomed by Shanahan and provide some healthy competition to Garoppolo going forward (gives the Niners more talent at the most important position in football...and talent that's on a rookie contract).

-You mention, "I suppose they could let Nick or CJ start the season if the rookie wasn't ready." No thank you. Starting next season with this roster and having Mullens or Beathard as the starter would hopefully never happen as it would be a disaster. We've seen four years of these two...this team with this quality roster needs a better backup QB, and why not draft a young, talented guy like Jones who could give this offense a good chance in any game if for some reason pressed into duty.

-Garoppolo's salary next year is $26M...10 other QBs are making more next year (and maybe more by the time next season starts)...I think a healthy Garoppolo for this team is definitely worth that salary next year (for such a premium position, you have to pay for it a little bit when you have a quality starter like JG).

-Regarding the $ needed for Free Agents, this team has only one very expensive starter to hopefully re-sign and that's Trent Williams. After that, there's only six other starters to re-sign (Juice & Brunskill on offense, D.J. Jones, K. Williams, Verrett & Moseley on defense). There's other key reserves to hopefully re-sign but none are going to break the bank...Hyder's excellent play might put him out of reach but guys like J. Reed, Wilson, Dwelley, Blair will be cheap. Regarding next year's cap, as jonnydel pointed out, no one knows exactly what the salary cap level will be as EVERY TEAM is going to be affected, especially many good teams continuing to pay for high-level talent, teams that are in much worse shape salary-wise than the Niners...some kind of compromise/agreement will hopefully take place between the league & players yet we all know the owners want to make as much $ as possible...the pandemic has created an unprecedented situation regarding the cap next year.

-Garoppolo has shown he can stay healthy. 2019 was just last year...he started all 19 games last year and didn't leave a single game due to injury. 20 of 32 teams last year had QBs that didn't start 16 regular season games. We'll see what this year's number looks like at season's end. Yes, Garoppolo has had some injuries...this is football and QBs are especially vulnerable (as we see every season). Hopefully, the team will address the C position/IOL. We all want him to stay healthy as we've seen what he can do in helping lead this team to many, many wins - I'll put next year's healthy starters with Garoppolo against any other team and I'll like the Niners' chances in every game.

If Garoppolo comes back healthy this season, perhaps after another two games, and Mullens can do enough to hopefully help win at least one of these next two games, I think the Niners would have a shot at making the expanded playoffs. And if they can get in, look out! They have many guys from last year who gained valuable playoff experience & success. Once you're in the playoffs, anything can happen (also, getting guys back like Kittle, Aiyuk & K. Williams will help).

Nice post. Unfortunately the bolded was so laughable I almost forgot what the rest of the post was about.

Thanks. Yet to your comment, the rest of that particular paragraph of what you bolded is laughable? It's exactly true and can't be discounted. I'll re-post that part as apparently it's needed:

Garoppolo has shown he can stay healthy. 2019 was just last year...he started all 19 games last year and didn't leave a single game due to injury. 20 of 32 teams last year had QBs that didn't start 16 regular season games. We'll see what this year's number looks like at season's end. Yes, Garoppolo has had some injuries...this is football and QBs are especially vulnerable (as we see every season). Hopefully, the team will address the C position/IOL. We all want him to stay healthy as we've seen what he can do in helping lead this team to many, many wins - I'll put next year's healthy starters with Garoppolo against any other team and I'll like the Niners' chances in every game.

You could say Kyle took a very meh QB and made him look better with short passing and a strong running game that protected and hid his weaknesses.

You could say that, but it would be dead wrong. If it were so easy to take a meh QB and pump them up in this offense with this line then Mullens would be lighting s**t up. But, alas, he did not.

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

There's no proof, there's evidence. And for each piece of evidence in favor of your argument there's more than one piece of evidence against it.

Winston, Mariota, Haskins, etc etc.

We are saying the same thing, you are just a lot more absolute in your way ahead.

If we can feasibly get Wilson or lance I'm all for it. If we stay with jim because he won't take the trade or a pay adjustment.... It'll have to work and I won't be pissy so long as we have a good draft.

After what I saw yesterday, I'm a lot more optimistic than I was. A healthy 49ers team is a problem for anyone.

Rookie QBs are dependent of good coaching and a good roster...obviously health matters (Marcus Mariota for example). Haskins had what a seasons worth of trash coaching and one of the worse rosters in football?

I never said anything was absolute....I'm saying there's more & more evidence of young QBs on rookie contracts being successful and allowing the team to have a quality roster.

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Thanks. Yet to your comment, the rest of that particular paragraph of what you bolded is laughable? It's exactly true and can't be discounted. I'll re-post that part as apparently it's needed:

Garoppolo has shown he can stay healthy. 2019 was just last year...he started all 19 games last year and didn't leave a single game due to injury. 20 of 32 teams last year had QBs that didn't start 16 regular season games. We'll see what this year's number looks like at season's end. Yes, Garoppolo has had some injuries...this is football and QBs are especially vulnerable (as we see every season). Hopefully, the team will address the C position/IOL. We all want him to stay healthy as we've seen what he can do in helping lead this team to many, many wins - I'll put next year's healthy starters with Garoppolo against any other team and I'll like the Niners' chances in every game.

everyone forgets that JG was targeted in a dirty play and play it off as injury prone.. just normal WZ haters

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

There's no proof, there's evidence. And for each piece of evidence in favor of your argument there's more than one piece of evidence against it.

Winston, Mariota, Haskins, etc etc.

We are saying the same thing, you are just a lot more absolute in your way ahead.

If we can feasibly get Wilson or lance I'm all for it. If we stay with jim because he won't take the trade or a pay adjustment.... It'll have to work and I won't be pissy so long as we have a good draft.

After what I saw yesterday, I'm a lot more optimistic than I was. A healthy 49ers team is a problem for anyone.

Rookie QBs are dependent of good coaching and a good roster...obviously health matters (Marcus Mariota for example). Haskins had what a seasons worth of trash coaching and one of the worse rosters in football?

I never said anything was absolute....I'm saying there's more & more evidence of young QBs on rookie contracts being successful and allowing the team to have a quality roster.

Agreed

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Thanks. Yet to your comment, the rest of that particular paragraph of what you bolded is laughable? It's exactly true and can't be discounted. I'll re-post that part as apparently it's needed:

Garoppolo has shown he can stay healthy. 2019 was just last year...he started all 19 games last year and didn't leave a single game due to injury. 20 of 32 teams last year had QBs that didn't start 16 regular season games. We'll see what this year's number looks like at season's end. Yes, Garoppolo has had some injuries...this is football and QBs are especially vulnerable (as we see every season). Hopefully, the team will address the C position/IOL. We all want him to stay healthy as we've seen what he can do in helping lead this team to many, many wins - I'll put next year's healthy starters with Garoppolo against any other team and I'll like the Niners' chances in every game.

everyone forgets that JG was targeted in a dirty play and play it off as injury prone.. just normal WZ haters

I mean, yes, he's had injuries. Next time, I guess I need to phrase it as "Garoppolo has shown he can stay healthy in a full season + three playoff games." This is the WZ, people will read things as they choose. To what you said, Q. Williams lands on anyone's ankle wrong and I'm betting on at least a high ankle sprain. The neglect of the OL, particularly the IOL, unfortunately caught up with the Niners in Garoppolo's injury. To write stuff like that off just as, "Garoppolo is injury prone", I don't agree with.

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Thanks. Yet to your comment, the rest of that particular paragraph of what you bolded is laughable? It's exactly true and can't be discounted. I'll re-post that part as apparently it's needed:

Garoppolo has shown he can stay healthy. 2019 was just last year...he started all 19 games last year and didn't leave a single game due to injury. 20 of 32 teams last year had QBs that didn't start 16 regular season games. We'll see what this year's number looks like at season's end. Yes, Garoppolo has had some injuries...this is football and QBs are especially vulnerable (as we see every season). Hopefully, the team will address the C position/IOL. We all want him to stay healthy as we've seen what he can do in helping lead this team to many, many wins - I'll put next year's healthy starters with Garoppolo against any other team and I'll like the Niners' chances in every game.

everyone forgets that JG was targeted in a dirty play and play it off as injury prone.. just normal WZ haters

I mean, yes, he's had injuries. Next time, I guess I need to phrase it as "Garoppolo has shown he can stay healthy in a full season + three playoff games." This is the WZ, people will read things as they choose. To what you said, Q. Williams lands on anyone's ankle wrong and I'm betting on at least a high ankle sprain. The neglect of the OL, particularly the IOL, unfortunately caught up with the Niners in Garoppolo's injury. To write stuff like that off just as, "Garoppolo is injury prone", I don't agree with.

Diving for his ankle wasn't a coincidence by a defense ran by a coach who was suspended for injurying other players.

Funny that this game is the game we lost a lot of important 9ers

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Thanks. Yet to your comment, the rest of that particular paragraph of what you bolded is laughable? It's exactly true and can't be discounted. I'll re-post that part as apparently it's needed:

Garoppolo has shown he can stay healthy. 2019 was just last year...he started all 19 games last year and didn't leave a single game due to injury. 20 of 32 teams last year had QBs that didn't start 16 regular season games. We'll see what this year's number looks like at season's end. Yes, Garoppolo has had some injuries...this is football and QBs are especially vulnerable (as we see every season). Hopefully, the team will address the C position/IOL. We all want him to stay healthy as we've seen what he can do in helping lead this team to many, many wins - I'll put next year's healthy starters with Garoppolo against any other team and I'll like the Niners' chances in every game.

everyone forgets that JG was targeted in a dirty play and play it off as injury prone.. just normal WZ haters

I mean, yes, he's had injuries. Next time, I guess I need to phrase it as "Garoppolo has shown he can stay healthy in a full season + three playoff games." This is the WZ, people will read things as they choose. To what you said, Q. Williams lands on anyone's ankle wrong and I'm betting on at least a high ankle sprain. The neglect of the OL, particularly the IOL, unfortunately caught up with the Niners in Garoppolo's injury. To write stuff like that off just as, "Garoppolo is injury prone", I don't agree with.

Our center(s) and right tackle have been our biggest Oline problems. The niners haven't neglected either one of those positions. The center position has been crushed by injuries, and McG is having a tough go at it.

Mismanaged? Maybe. Neglected? Nope

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Thanks. Yet to your comment, the rest of that particular paragraph of what you bolded is laughable? It's exactly true and can't be discounted. I'll re-post that part as apparently it's needed:

Garoppolo has shown he can stay healthy. 2019 was just last year...he started all 19 games last year and didn't leave a single game due to injury. 20 of 32 teams last year had QBs that didn't start 16 regular season games. We'll see what this year's number looks like at season's end. Yes, Garoppolo has had some injuries...this is football and QBs are especially vulnerable (as we see every season). Hopefully, the team will address the C position/IOL. We all want him to stay healthy as we've seen what he can do in helping lead this team to many, many wins - I'll put next year's healthy starters with Garoppolo against any other team and I'll like the Niners' chances in every game.

everyone forgets that JG was targeted in a dirty play and play it off as injury prone.. just normal WZ haters

I mean, yes, he's had injuries. Next time, I guess I need to phrase it as "Garoppolo has shown he can stay healthy in a full season + three playoff games." This is the WZ, people will read things as they choose. To what you said, Q. Williams lands on anyone's ankle wrong and I'm betting on at least a high ankle sprain. The neglect of the OL, particularly the IOL, unfortunately caught up with the Niners in Garoppolo's injury. To write stuff like that off just as, "Garoppolo is injury prone", I don't agree with.

Diving for his ankle wasn't a coincidence by a defense ran by a coach who was suspended for injurying other players.

Funny that this game is the game we lost a lot of important 9ers

That's a great shot of the low tackle where Garoppolo was injured! My ankle probably would never be the same again having that guy land on it like this - and I'm 6'4" 220. That game sucked injury-wise for the team. I watched the game twice and that was all I could take.