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Originally posted by random49er:
They're littering Tampa Bay boards as well. Solid work mate. Let us know if you find any more Patriots in disguise here Goatie.
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Originally posted by SkyZer0:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by SkyZer0:
Or Jimmy had a MASSIVE part in that happening as well lol. was he not known for that in 2017 as well? this is not one of the reasons we all fell in love with the guy for a short period
God it was so refreshing to have confidence in third and longs again.
I actually think it had more to do with the fact that he was much more willing than previous quarterbacks to make attempts throwing the ball into tighter windows.
perhaps that's what stood out to me (or us) the most?
either way, comparatively, you could say that the reason he was also top five was because of more attempts or his willingness vs what we've had for the past decade
His passing attempts are literally the one of the shortest in the league in 2019, especially on 3rd downs. I wouldn't call that a willingness to throw into tight windows.
At this pt who cares about 2017...that was 3 yrs ago and like 4 meaningful games
Hey I'll gladly eat crow if he comes back and balls out. Actually throws it downfield and wins games because of his arm.
because he was CONSISTENT in 2019 like he was in 2017 in
A. 4th quarter comebacks leading to a win with either a FG or a TD B. consistency in converting 3rd downs
who cares how many yards it took to do so. the point is it was a huge difference compared to the years with Alex and Kap prior. you honestly dont attribute our increased 3rd down success rate to the QB? just the players 'catching' it around him?
seriously get off the whole air yards crap. the point is we were wildly more consistent in moving the chains than we had been in a while.
I was almost certain this was an aspect of Jimmy EVERYONE agreed on that was a refreshing change after 3rd and 7+ felt IMPOSSIBLE to convert with gun-shy /hesitant QB'ing
People look for obscure stats to fit their narrative.
Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
It's been 2 months and people are still arguing about the same thing in here. There's no changing of each other's minds no matter what point you're tryna prove. The nitpicking is the most irritating part. Y'all just gotta agree to disagree and move on.
Originally posted by SkyZer0:
but doesn't matter, we converted more 3rd downs with him at QB as an offense better than we had in over a decade time and time again.
Originally posted by SkyZer0:
God it was so refreshing to have confidence in third and longs again.
Originally posted by SkyZer0:because he was CONSISTENT in 2019 like he was in 2017 in
A. 4th quarter comebacks leading to a win with either a FG or a TD B. consistency in converting 3rd downs
who cares how many yards it took to do so. the point is it was a huge difference compared to the years with Alex and Kap prior. you honestly dont attribute our increased 3rd down success rate to the QB? just the players 'catching' it around him?
seriously get off the whole air yards crap. the point is we were wildly more consistent in moving the chains than we had been in a while.
I was almost certain this was an aspect of Jimmy EVERYONE agreed on that was a refreshing change after 3rd and 7+ felt IMPOSSIBLE to convert with gun-shy /hesitant QB'ing
Originally posted by random49er:
Alright, Alright,...looks like I'm gonna have to FORCE this 3rd down issue back towards the select few that do nothing but highlight it over, and over, and over again, suggesting it was some great feat and/or a clear sign of a very, very good QB.
Until legit analytics are brought to the table, you're just very very determined to have this 3rd down stat make the whole argument for you, instead of the eye test everyone had that suggests you're maybe overdoing it. So let's look at 3rd and longs....
Originally posted by SkyZer0:
but doesn't matter, we converted more 3rd downs with him at QB as an offense better than we had in over a decade time and time again.Originally posted by SkyZer0:
God it was so refreshing to have confidence in third and longs again.
What do you mean? You had one of the best in the NFL in 2017 on 3rd and longs too!! A couple clues tho,...he's STILL on the team, and his name's not Garoppolo.
Here is Jimmy's banner year of 2019 but look at who else is on the list floating around.
Some have said "I cant wait till Garoppolo gets back to his 3rd down magic" but look who's "killing it" in 2020,...I guess....
(p.s.,...wasn't the guy who's #2 benched for Alex Smith?)
I guess Haskins has arrived, and Jimmy has been dominant this year -- even amid all of our complaining?
As I said to Sky,...what was he longing for talking about "finally!" for last year??? Oh please.... He had it in 2017 right here in Santa Clara with this guy....
And lastly,...2018's top All-Pro,....the TRUE KING of 3rd and Longs for a season,...of the last 4 seasons? The only guy to hit @ 50%!!! Guess who?
Lol that's right!! Famous Jameis (while Drew Brees and Mullens were notted up at 10th,...lol)!!! 50%....f**k! Why don't we trade for him now??
Look guys,...Look. There are laughers all over this list when we sit and evaluate things,....which tells me 1 thing: It's far,....FAR too low of a threshold to correlate to anything worthwhile,...especially on its on, like you keep attempting to do. With great QBs bottoming out and near-nobodies Top 10 if not leading the stat altogether, it's just a horribly, horribly inconsistent barometer where everyone but the other-wordly pine rider that's now in his prime -- Jameis Winston -- was under 50%.
Obscure stats are truly meant to be put together with legit evidence and looked at. PLEASE,...I beg of you...stop using this stat to build your case. The data above says you gotta find something else.
suggesting it was some great feat and/or a clear sign of a very, very good QB.
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Ahhh it absolutely explains it, if you read the description of what the stats mean.
Basically our playmakers made a ton of plays with the ball in their hands. Kittle/Deebo were two of the highest YAC receivers in football last yr, just about every catch Bourne made went for a 1st down. I mean are we gonna pretend like that wasn't a thing last yr lol?
That's what it's disingenuous to say he was top 5 in 3rd conversions without saying the skilled position players played a massive part in that. Not Jimmy's fault he was just running the plays.
Winning games is a team stat. Not sure how many times that needs to be said
Show me some stats on his 1st/2nd down throws? I know they ran the ball pretty well, setting up easy completions on 3rd down. Again not Jimmy's fault.
Finally, how dare I like a qb prospect that throws the ball more than 5 feet downfield lol. How dare I like someone that has good pocket feel, throws with anticipation and has great accuracy
Apparently criticizing Jimmy and wanting someone better isn't allowed anymore. I wish I could do nothing but praise him but my eyes say I can't.
Originally posted by SkyZer0:
im talking about in comparing to previous QB's on the 49ers. THE 49ERS. lol.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by SkyZer0:
because he was CONSISTENT in 2019 like he was in 2017 in
A. 4th quarter comebacks leading to a win with either a FG or a TD B. consistency in converting 3rd downs
who cares how many yards it took to do so. the point is it was a huge difference compared to the years with Alex and Kap prior. you honestly dont attribute our increased 3rd down success rate to the QB? just the players 'catching' it around him?
seriously get off the whole air yards crap. the point is we were wildly more consistent in moving the chains than we had been in a while.
I was almost certain this was an aspect of Jimmy EVERYONE agreed on that was a refreshing change after 3rd and 7+ felt IMPOSSIBLE to convert with gun-shy /hesitant QB'ing
I agree it was refreshing to not see complete s**t play at QB. We went from Hoyer/gabbert to Jimmy...massive upgrade.
That's said I'm not gonna say he was some elite force at QB who was the reason we went to the SB. He played his part no doubt. He was helped out tremendously by all the YAC, play calling, run game and defense. I see no problem with acknowledging all of that?
I also see no problem will realizing he's not some elite QB and he limits what this offense can do overall. I think there's room for an upgrade.
I have no idea where you stand on all this, you argue with me then I see you posting how you want an upgrade.
Originally posted by SkyZer0:
because it just sounded like Jimmy all of a sudden got no credit for our improved 3rd down success rate in 2017
Originally posted by TheWooLick:People look for obscure stats to fit their narrative.
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by SkyZer0:
im talking about in comparing to previous QB's on the 49ers. THE 49ERS. lol.
Lol of course you are, now that it has been proven by me to be an absolute crap stat. I mean,...unless Jameis Winston is easily a Top 5 QB in the league losing starting gigs to a guy learning how to throw?
You're no center or power forward, but you have the best pivot on this forum.
The goal anyway is to either have people either explain the crap going on with everyone else on these lists the last 4 years, or completely disregard them and find another way to prop up Jimmy. This stat aint it.
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by SkyZer0:
because it just sounded like Jimmy all of a sudden got no credit for our improved 3rd down success rate in 2017
Hey hey now,...what about Beathard in 2017? Didnt you check out the stats? Give my guy CJ some LOVE too.
Originally posted by Goatie:No. It is just the constant whining and the same old passive aggressive repetition of the same lines over and over and over and over again. Jimmy G is not going anywhere this year or next season. Lynch and Shanahan don't come here to read your posts and take your advice. You need to learn to deal with JG being our QB till at least his contract ends and perhaps even longer. You might have lived in the Bay for over 70 years but your heart is not with the 49ers and I will continue to call you out on it.
