Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
What did my cap breakdown have to do with backing Jimmy?
Wishful thinking? There's going to be at least 380 free agents next year(I think each team has about 12 spots to get to 51 on average), collectively, if the salary cap remains as is for next season the league will have a total of about 217 million in cap space.....of all the teams put together.
The minimum salary for a player with over 1 year of experience and NOT more than 2 is 685k. 380x685k = 260 million. So, even if teams were to keep existing contracts, fill out rosters with players who don't have more than 2 full years of experience on minimum contracts the league doesn't have the cap space by 43 million. These are estimates as I'm not going through each team and counting free agents down to the number. I think there's going to be more than 380 though. That was a rough estimate after looking at about 16 teams.
To create space, teams have to create more roster spots to fill, carry dead money and you will have big name free agents coming available.
So, let's stop and actually think about this, not just accuse someone of "wishful thinking" because it doesn't agree with the argument that we need to move on from Jimmy for cap reasons because of what it looks like. The NFL and NFLPA will not let this happen. Currently, the CBA gives players 47% of revenue - owners are carrying lower costs and revenues this year and so they're going to have to suck it up, as well as players taking cuts across the board because of COVID. There's no other way around it. space will be created and teams know it.
The Bears had 680k in space for next year 10 days ago, they've signed extensions and now are negative 10 million. Why would they do that if they believe the cap will be LOWER than next year?
They already had a collective bargaining agreement on what they will do with the cap in 2021. They tapped it at a min of $175 (would probably be lower) if the revenue generated this year is more than that, they will use that...with games being played in mostly empty stadiums and a massive revenue losses, why in the world would you assume the owners will "suck it up" lol. When have they ever done that?
If anyone is gonna have to "suck it up" it will be and always has been the players. Contracts will be shorter with less gtd cash and backloaded...That's what happens when you tie your piece of the pie into overall revenue of the business. It's capitalism man. When it's good it's real good, next yr is gonna be a lean yr. is what it is. Adapt and adjust
IMO 2021 is gonna be a hard yr for teams overall. I wouldn't be shocked if some guys sit out the yr if they don't get the cash they want.
They agreed to a floor, meaning they don't know the revenues with the uncertainty but all agreed that anything below 175 mil would destroy the league as the revenues on a per team average could be as low as 270 million.
That doesn't mean they agreed to a cap. To me, it's a good faith gesture by the owners to set the precedent with the union that they're willing to bypass the 47% cap calculation to protect the game - but will then expect players to do their part and agree to a league wide pay-cut claused into all contracts to try and maintain the market values of players.
I get that it's capitalism, but the NFL is also a product based game. They've worked for their audience for decades and while we can act like owners are just greedy guys, they're business men first and foremost and entertainment business men. You protect your audience - that's your real product. That's what they sell advertisers. They don't sell advertisers the games or the scores, they sell the audience. If you lose your audience, you lose your product.
They're not going to further risk losing an audience because once you lose an audience, it's very, very hard to get them back - just ask WCW or WWF/E, if you're familiar with wrestling, how easy it is to get the 11 million people who were watching in 1998 and aren't watching now, to come back.
If you allow the league to be gutted of dozens and dozens of playmakers and fill out teams with 1 year players or UDFA's because of the cap, the audience will leave and your product is less valuable.
you can use that game from this year to facilitate your ALEX argument, but not over the context of a full season clearly when it comes to showing examples like that rams game.
my bad.
