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Originally posted by Goatie:
Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Originally posted by Gabberwocky:
Originally posted by Goatie:
Originally posted by Gabberwocky:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by JEP83:
And......
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
They agreed to a floor, meaning they don't know the revenues with the uncertainty but all agreed that anything below 175 mil would destroy the league as the revenues on a per team average could be as low as 270 million.

That doesn't mean they agreed to a cap. To me, it's a good faith gesture by the owners to set the precedent with the union that they're willing to bypass the 47% cap calculation to protect the game - but will then expect players to do their part and agree to a league wide pay-cut claused into all contracts to try and maintain the market values of players.

I get that it's capitalism, but the NFL is also a product based game. They've worked for their audience for decades and while we can act like owners are just greedy guys, they're business men first and foremost and entertainment business men. You protect your audience - that's your real product. That's what they sell advertisers. They don't sell advertisers the games or the scores, they sell the audience. If you lose your audience, you lose your product.

They're not going to further risk losing an audience because once you lose an audience, it's very, very hard to get them back - just ask WCW or WWF/E, if you're familiar with wrestling, how easy it is to get the 11 million people who were watching in 1998 and aren't watching now, to come back.

If you allow the league to be gutted of dozens and dozens of playmakers and fill out teams with 1 year players or UDFA's because of the cap, the audience will leave and your product is less valuable.

The audience isn't going anywhere, especially if it's for a season. The owners having a good faith gesture is funny. The literally wanted the opposite of what the players wanted during negations

It's not just about the cap, but actual cash that they have to hand out

https://www.nfl.com/news/2021-nfl-salary-cap-conundrum-three-major-consequences-of-projected-decrease

Before diving into the potential ripple effects of a decreased cap, I want to state that I believe the need for cash spending by clubs will increase in 2021. Generally speaking, the way most club's lower cap numbers is by spending more cash in the present to spread the cap hit out over future years. However, as we all know, it has been a very difficult year for teams and owners to generate revenue, so the availability of cash might be a real issue for some organizations. In addition, this type of cash now/credit card borrowing will likely increase to push spending forward, but past credit card borrowing may exacerbate problems for teams this year because the bill might come due.

Once the TV rights are done (2022) they will have plenty of capital going forward.

Like everything in the world s**t is gonna be a little lean for the next yr....the NFL like everything else will have to adapt. Including the players.

And why is this in this thread?

Because it has been brought up a bunch of times that to keep the team together next year with COVID affecting the cap that we need to tank, cut Jimmy and draft a rookie to get a cheap rookie qb contract.

Tanking isn't something you purposefully do, but speaking of businessmen, it is definitely bad business to pay Garoppolo what we're paying him if an rookie can also throw -6 yard passes that turn into 8 yard gains for four to six times less money, especially with players on the rise like Jason Verrett we might want to extend.

Keeping Verrett, Sherman, and others will be hard with Jimmy's completely undeserved contract. "Market value" my asp; Jimmy has played BELOW what his contract's current market value is, and only the blind homers don't see it. Everyone else, from this forum to the sports media, knows he's being paid way more than his production warrants.

LOL this is such a dumb narrative.

Jimmy throws to the plays that Kyle calls. The short passing game is what Kyle wants because that is what he calls. You guys blame JG for doing what he is told to do by the play caller and HC. It is not the smartest argument I have heard that is for sure.

So I suppose you reckon that JG should just ignore the play calls and throw deep every time just to prove that he can to the genius fans who bag him?

You crack me up


In Atlanta, when Shanahan had an QB who was good at passing deep, his starting QB Matt Ryan threw it deep more than 25 other starting QBs.

What is your excuse for that?

Fact: the reason Shanahan isn't calling deep plays is because Jimmy isn't good at throwing deep.

Edit - of note: when you blame it on Julio, those of us who aren't Jimmy cultists will laugh as we remember all the horrid deep passes Jimmy has thrown, and will muse at the fact that you blame Jimmy's OBJECTIVELY OBVIOUSLY BAD deep throws on the WRs, like when he missed the game winning throw against the Cardinals this season, with the WR wide open deep despite not being Julio Jones.

Ya its hilarious how this isn't brought up. And dont forget WAS and Cleveland, he did the same there.

To think that Shanny is devolving as a play caller

Its so damn obvious why deep balls aren't be called. Did people miss those hanging ducks that he threw to Taylor and Bourne? Hes thrown 2 deep passes this year and that s**t looked worse than Shaun Hill's. No good play caller in their right mind would attack down the field with Jimmy as their QB. Even Andy Reid would have to change his playcalling with Jimmy.

As Goatie would say, that's a very dumb narrative.

Quite the opposite. Shanahan is developing as a play caller.

Deep passes are poor percentage football. They are risky no matter who the passer is. Shanahan is playing the percentages and you will find that shorter passes lead to more yards in the game. Pity some of you can not figure out the value in that.

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Originally posted by Goatie:
Quite the opposite. Shanahan is developing as a play caller.

Deep passes are poor percentage football. They are risky no matter who the passer is. Shanahan is playing the percentages and you will find that shorter passes lead to more yards in the game. Pity some of you can not figure out the value in that.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
You really cling to this ALEX stat. When I brought up TDs and Passer Rating you countered with the ALEX stat.
Yds/Pass Att
2019 NFL 8.4 (3)
Yds/Pass Cmp
2019 NFL 12.1 (6)
Adj Yds/Pass Att
2019 NFL 8.26 (9)
Net Yds/Pass Att
2019 NFL 7.31 (6)
Adj Net Yds/Pass Att
2019 NFL 7.22 (10)
Pass Completion %
2019 NFL 69.1% (4/28)
Passing TD %
2019 NFL 5.7% (7)

No I brought up ALEX score because you talk about 3rd down conversions...that's exactly what that stat is referring too. Good/bad he throws short of the 1st down marker A LOT. His playmakers deserve credit and I have no idea why people can't acknowledge that. Why is that so hard to admit? Our players get YAC and that's not a secret.

I brought up Winston when you're talking about TDs. You do know they give Jimmy a TD when he throws a shovel pass and Deebo takes it to the house?

I expect him to have a good comp % because his IAY is one of the worst in the league.

Where is the INT % on that list
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Dec 3, 2020 at 6:00 AM ]
Originally posted by genus49:
Think about what you're even arguing now lol.

Garoppolo got paid based on 4 starts in 2017 vs 5...

How does this even matter to what we've been talking about lately? But you threw that out there and then because I pointed out the Rams game still counted I'm not being objective?

You've been throwing out these amazing 5 games back in 2017 and I'm saying one of them is week 17 vs the LAR's backups. I know you genus and you'd call that s**t out if it was another team's QB in a heartbeat.

How is pointing out that game and who he played NOT being objective? He crushed it in the Jags game and had a game winning drive in the Tenn game. I've never taken anything away from that.

Originally posted by genus49:

You are though? When it's brought up to you that the ALEX numbers you keep throwing around had Matt Ryan who was the MVP that season at a slightly lower value than Jimmy last season you wave by that and point out to another value Ryan had higher than Jimmy last year.

I brought up the ALEX score and AYTS because we were talking about 3rd down conversions, which is what those stats are referring too. He throws short to the sticks, more than just about anyone. Good/bad it's the truth. All I've said is the playmakers deserve some f**king credit....why can't you (and others) acknowledge that? Why is that so hard for you to do? Instead you say well look at Matt Ryan lol. Cool similar ALEX scores. Ryan's IAY (avg intended air yards) was almost 3 yards MORE than Jimmy (2016 MR vs 2019 JG) SO while he might have been more conservative on 3rd downs, he was actually pushing the ball downfield overall.

On top of that, while pushing the ball downfield at a much HIGHER rate, he was 7th best in INT% in 2016. While Jimmy with 8th worst in the league all while having the 3rd worst IAY in the league. What is that all about? Why do you keep slipping past that stat? It's kinda a big deal, no?

Originally posted by genus49:

But why bend over backwards to try to diminish what he has done well?

More data shows what's actually happening....you love data and yet get upset when I'm using it? I don't have to bend over backwards at all. We see the games, we see the short passes, YAC yards, basically not using a whole part of the field, we talk about it every damn week. Now when I throw some data points backing it up, it's some conspiracy or me trying to go out of my way to hate Jimmy? I also never said I hate him...he's a good not great QB who runs the scheme Kyle wants to run with him...I think Kyle would open up the passing game more with a different QB. I think Jimmy is more game manager than FQB.

Clearly you don't feel that way, which is fine. Calling my opinion and valid points/facts, reaching isn't fair or crap either. He has strengths and weakness and Kyle has molded is scheme around what he does well and overall avoided what he's not so good at. That's being a good coach. I brought up the contract because well it's a s**t ton of money...I would expect, as a fan, that our QB would be asked to do more. If you don't think so fine.

agree to disagree
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Dec 3, 2020 at 6:29 AM ]
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by SkyZer0:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
yup, even me. I got so mad when Lynch resigned Ward in 2019 and then he broke his collarbone in OTA's.

You gonna do a film breakdown since the 49ers won?

Jimmy isn't playing so he's not doing them anymore.

FAKE NEWS

give me a break, dude. I actually have other things in my life going on. My Wife works for a health insurance broker and 70% of her annual renewals come due 12/1 and 1/1 so she's working 60 hours a week right now and we have 2 daughters and our daycare got shut down for 2 weeks because of a possible COVID case. It was a lot easier for me to work here and there from home than her missing time during this season. So, I didn't have the extra time to make some videos unless I was staying up until 3 in the morning to do them and losing football isn't enough of a motivator.

LoL.... Funny back and forth. I was 100% on your team until you seemingly admitted what was assumed here.
You're admitting you like to breakdown wins,...not losses...and certainly not drubbings like Miami.

That is what you're saying, right?

When things go completely wrong and off course (compared to what you've said you think),....not only should that pique your interest even more if you're a true student of the game,...but it gives your audience a sense of security that your opinions are actually legit and not one-sided.

Surprised you admitted that you're not as interested in losses,....but I'll at least give you credit for that!
Originally posted by Goatie:
Quite the opposite. Shanahan is developing as a play caller.

Deep passes are poor percentage football. They are risky no matter who the passer is. Shanahan is playing the percentages

Oh boy,....dying to get an answer to this, Goatie.

So you're really suggesting that if more playcallers around the NFL were smarter, they'd start throwing less deep passes as well?
Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Ya its hilarious how this isn't brought up. And dont forget WAS and Cleveland, he did the same there.

To think that Shanny is devolving as a play caller

Its so damn obvious why deep balls aren't be called. Did people miss those hanging ducks that he threw to Taylor and Bourne? Hes thrown 2 deep passes this year and that s**t looked worse than Shaun Hill's. No good play caller in their right mind would attack down the field with Jimmy as their QB. Even Andy Reid would have to change his playcalling with Jimmy.

As Goatie would say, that's a very dumb narrative.

Funny that you bring up Andy because he actually was in the same position as Kyle, where even he had to change his offense due to limited QB play. I used to get laughed at the same way you guys are for suggesting that there is no way Andy does not want to use the whole field.

Let them laugh. It turns out Andy did want to use the whole field and I'm sure Kyle does too.
[ Edited by CharlieSheen on Dec 3, 2020 at 6:23 AM ]
Originally posted by random49er:
Oh boy,....dying to get an answer to this, Goatie.

So you're really suggesting that if more playcallers around the NFL were smarter, they'd start throwing less deep passes as well?

lol right, in a passing league where the DBs get called for PI for breathing on a WR...I'm sure Kyle wants no part in that.
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Dec 3, 2020 at 6:43 AM ]
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by genus49:
Think about what you're even arguing now lol.

Garoppolo got paid based on 4 starts in 2017 vs 5...

How does this even matter to what we've been talking about lately? But you threw that out there and then because I pointed out the Rams game still counted I'm not being objective?

You've been throwing out these amazing 5 games back in 2017 and I'm saying one of them is week 17 vs the LAR's backups. I know you genus and you'd call that s**t out if it was another team's QB in a heartbeat.

How is pointing out that game and who he played NOT being objective? He crushed it in the Jags game and had a game winning drive in the Tenn game. I've never taken anything away from that.

Originally posted by genus49:

You are though? When it's brought up to you that the ALEX numbers you keep throwing around had Matt Ryan who was the MVP that season at a slightly lower value than Jimmy last season you wave by that and point out to another value Ryan had higher than Jimmy last year.

I brought up the ALEX score and AYTS because we were talking about 3rd down conversions, which is what those stats are referring too. He throws short to the sticks, more than just about anyone. Good/bad it's the truth. All I've said is the playmakers deserve some f**king credit....why can't you (and others) acknowledge that? Why is that so hard for you to do? Instead you say well look at Matt Ryan lol. Cool similar ALEX scores. Ryan's IAY (avg intended air yards) was almost 3 yards MORE than Jimmy (2016 MR vs 2019 JG) SO while he might have been more conservative on 3rd downs, he was actually pushing the ball downfield overall.

On top of that, while pushing the ball downfield at a much HIGHER rate, he was 7th best in INT% in 2016. While Jimmy with 8th worst in the league all while having the 3rd worst IAY in the league. What is that all about? Why do you keep slipping past that stat? It's kinda a big deal, no?

Originally posted by genus49:

But why bend over backwards to try to diminish what he has done well?

More data shows what's actually happening....you love data and yet get upset when I'm using it? I don't have to bend over backwards at all. We see the games, we see the short passes, YAC yards, basically not using a whole part of the field, we talk about it every damn week. Now when I throw some data points backing it up, it's some conspiracy or me trying to go out of my way to hate Jimmy? I also never said I hate him...he's a good not great QB who runs the scheme Kyle wants to run with him...I think Kyle would open up the passing game more with a different QB. I think Jimmy is more game manager than FQB.

Clearly you don't feel that way, which is fine. Calling my opinion and valid points/facts, reaching isn't fair or crap either. He has strengths and weakness and Kyle has molded is scheme around what he does well and overall avoided what he's not so good at. That's being a good coach. I brought up the contract because well it's a s**t ton of money...I would expect, as a fan, that our QB would be asked to do more. If you don't think so fine.

agree to disagree

Oh NY my friend lol...

YOU posted this

Yeah he got a $137M deal because of 4 games my bad.

I responded back saying it was 5 games. Do you honestly think if Jimmy played like trash and we lost that Rams game against their backups the contract would've been the same? It's football, even with some of their starters sitting he his impact was crystal clear and if anything like i said before the Rams game could've been used to knock him down to size a bit in negotiations "Well their key guys were out and you still turned over the ball twice"

This has nothing to do with me not being objective. Those are facts - he started 5 games. He got paid because of how he performed in all of them. Why are we even arguing about this lol? Has 0 to do with the future since the contract is already done and most of us, you included cheered it at the time?

We were talking 3rd down conversions. A stat Jimmy was best in the NFL last year. You brought up ALEX score to act like Jimmy's contributions were minimal and it was our playmakers who were responsible. I countered with Ryan's numbers in his league MVP season despite key differences like Atlanta having better down field weapons including one of the best in the biz in Julio, better pass blocking and Kyle being more concerned about just the offense and not the whole team due to just being OC vs HC.

Instead of acknowledging that ALEX is more of an offensive scheme based stat you went to Ryan's IAY being a lot higher. Well no sh*t. He was a more experienced QB with guys like Julio Jones on his offense. Not to mention why are we bringing up other downs when talking about 3rd downs? IAY is all attempts right? So how is bringing them up take anything away from Jimmy doing what the offense asked for on 3rd down?

As I said before if it was so easy, why weren't more teams/QBs doing it?

As far as Jimmy's INTs being higher...you watched the season right? Yeah he had his share of WTF picks thrown and like everyone else I was furious at him for throwing those. However he had at least 5 that bounced off his receivers hands last year and a couple of really smart plays by the defense like the one by Ramsey when he broke off his guy to get in front of Sanders. Turnovers are something he has to work on for sure but some of those are experience based plays. There are quite a lot of QBs who threw a lot of picks early in their careers but learned how to protect the ball with more playing time. Look at how many picks Peyton was throwing early in his career and he's one of the best in the game at reading coverage and knowing where to go with the ball.

And you are bending over backwards to knock him because you can simply say "Jimmy has limitations to his game if things aren't perfect these days. He's got a huge contract and his play and his availability hasn't been up to snuff. We'd be smart to replace him with a younger, cheaper and more talented QB who can do what Jimmy does well while also giving us the ability to do things Jimmy doesn't do well to really become dangerous on offense"

I will agree with that 100%. But bringing up ALEX, discounting the Rams game in 2017 for some weird ass reason like it was a preseason game, glossing over Matt Ryan having similar ALEX score, that's bending over backwards.

I live in the Boston area and this reminds me of what so many Red Sox fans do when good players leave the Red Sox for another team(god forbid it's the Yankees) regardless of how well they've played for us and what good memories they've made here...when they're on the way out they're scum and people paint a totally different picture of them.

I get it, you're out on Jimmy. But you can state your case without going to extreme narratives to discredit the guy. Cuz diminishing his play on 3rd down just because he's doing what the offense asks and using our talented YAC guys is unnecessary.

But yeah...you know you're my guy. We both want what's best for the franchise. Agree to disagree(and honestly I'm not sure I even really disagree with your message, just disagree with the delivery of it)
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Goatie:
Quite the opposite. Shanahan is developing as a play caller.

Deep passes are poor percentage football. They are risky no matter who the passer is. Shanahan is playing the percentages and you will find that shorter passes lead to more yards in the game. Pity some of you can not figure out the value in that.


Basically this. I give up lol.
Originally posted by genus49:
Oh NY my friend lol...

YOU posted this

Yeah he got a $137M deal because of 4 games my bad.

I responded back saying it was 5 games. Do you honestly think if Jimmy played like trash and we lost that Rams game against their backups the contract would've been the same? It's football, even with some of their starters sitting he his impact was crystal clear and if anything like i said before the Rams game could've been used to knock him down to size a bit in negotiations "Well their key guys were out and you still turned over the ball twice"

This has nothing to do with me not being objective. Those are facts - he started 5 games. He got paid because of how he performed in all of them. Why are we even arguing about this lol? Has 0 to do with the future since the contract is already done and most of us, you included cheered it at the time?

We were talking 3rd down conversions. A stat Jimmy was best in the NFL last year. You brought up ALEX score to act like Jimmy's contributions were minimal and it was our playmakers who were responsible. I countered with Ryan's numbers in his league MVP season despite key differences like Atlanta having better down field weapons including one of the best in the biz in Julio, better pass blocking and Kyle being more concerned about just the offense and not the whole team due to just being OC vs HC.

Instead of acknowledging that ALEX is more of an offensive scheme based stat you went to Ryan's IAY being a lot higher. Well no sh*t. He was a more experienced QB with guys like Julio Jones on his offense. Not to mention why are we bringing up other downs when talking about 3rd downs? IAY is all attempts right? So how is bringing them up take anything away from Jimmy doing what the offense asked for on 3rd down?

As I said before if it was so easy, why weren't more teams/QBs doing it?

As far as Jimmy's INTs being higher...you watched the season right? Yeah he had his share of WTF picks thrown and like everyone else I was furious at him for throwing those. However he had at least 5 that bounced off his receivers hands last year and a couple of really smart plays by the defense like the one by Ramsey when he broke off his guy to get in front of Sanders. Turnovers are something he has to work on for sure but some of those are experience based plays. There are quite a lot of QBs who threw a lot of picks early in their careers but learned how to protect the ball with more playing time. Look at how many picks Peyton was throwing early in his career and he's one of the best in the game at reading coverage and knowing where to go with the ball.

And you are bending over backwards to knock him because you can simply say "Jimmy has limitations to his game if things aren't perfect these days. He's got a huge contract and his play and his availability hasn't been up to snuff. We'd be smart to replace him with a younger, cheaper and more talented QB who can do what Jimmy does well while also giving us the ability to do things Jimmy doesn't do well to really become dangerous on offense"

I will agree with that 100%. But bringing up ALEX, discounting the Rams game in 2017 for some weird ass reason like it was a preseason game, glossing over Matt Ryan having similar ALEX score, that's bending over backwards.

I live in the Boston area and this reminds me of what so many Red Sox fans do when good players leave the Red Sox for another team(god forbid it's the Yankees) regardless of how well they've played for us and what good memories they've made here...when they're on the way out they're scum and people paint a totally different picture of them.

I get it, you're out on Jimmy. But you can state your case without going to extreme narratives to discredit the guy. Cuz diminishing his play on 3rd down just because he's doing what the offense asks and using our talented YAC guys is unnecessary.

But yeah...you know you're my guy. We both want what's best for the franchise. Agree to disagree(and honestly I'm not sure I even really disagree with your message, just disagree with the delivery of it)

The amount of deflecting and excuses going on in here is maddening...I don't even know where to start. I can't even read all of it.

I'm never gonna change your opinion on Jimmy clearly, you're also not gonna change my mind on what he is as a QB.

I'm gonna leave it at that because I can't deal with this nonsense anymore. It's taken up entirely too much of my time.

Maybe he will play some day...moving on.
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Dec 3, 2020 at 8:00 AM ]
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by genus49:
Think about what you're even arguing now lol.

Garoppolo got paid based on 4 starts in 2017 vs 5...

How does this even matter to what we've been talking about lately? But you threw that out there and then because I pointed out the Rams game still counted I'm not being objective?

You've been throwing out these amazing 5 games back in 2017 and I'm saying one of them is week 17 vs the LAR's backups. I know you genus and you'd call that s**t out if it was another team's QB in a heartbeat.

How is pointing out that game and who he played NOT being objective? He crushed it in the Jags game and had a game winning drive in the Tenn game. I've never taken anything away from that.

Originally posted by genus49:

You are though? When it's brought up to you that the ALEX numbers you keep throwing around had Matt Ryan who was the MVP that season at a slightly lower value than Jimmy last season you wave by that and point out to another value Ryan had higher than Jimmy last year.

I brought up the ALEX score and AYTS because we were talking about 3rd down conversions, which is what those stats are referring too. He throws short to the sticks, more than just about anyone. Good/bad it's the truth. All I've said is the playmakers deserve some f**king credit....why can't you (and others) acknowledge that? Why is that so hard for you to do? Instead you say well look at Matt Ryan lol. Cool similar ALEX scores. Ryan's IAY (avg intended air yards) was almost 3 yards MORE than Jimmy (2016 MR vs 2019 JG) SO while he might have been more conservative on 3rd downs, he was actually pushing the ball downfield overall.

On top of that, while pushing the ball downfield at a much HIGHER rate, he was 7th best in INT% in 2016. While Jimmy with 8th worst in the league all while having the 3rd worst IAY in the league. What is that all about? Why do you keep slipping past that stat? It's kinda a big deal, no?

Originally posted by genus49:

But why bend over backwards to try to diminish what he has done well?

More data shows what's actually happening....you love data and yet get upset when I'm using it? I don't have to bend over backwards at all. We see the games, we see the short passes, YAC yards, basically not using a whole part of the field, we talk about it every damn week. Now when I throw some data points backing it up, it's some conspiracy or me trying to go out of my way to hate Jimmy? I also never said I hate him...he's a good not great QB who runs the scheme Kyle wants to run with him...I think Kyle would open up the passing game more with a different QB. I think Jimmy is more game manager than FQB.

Clearly you don't feel that way, which is fine. Calling my opinion and valid points/facts, reaching isn't fair or crap either. He has strengths and weakness and Kyle has molded is scheme around what he does well and overall avoided what he's not so good at. That's being a good coach. I brought up the contract because well it's a s**t ton of money...I would expect, as a fan, that our QB would be asked to do more. If you don't think so fine.

agree to disagree

Oh NY my friend lol...

YOU posted this

Yeah he got a $137M deal because of 4 games my bad.

I responded back saying it was 5 games. Do you honestly think if Jimmy played like trash and we lost that Rams game against their backups the contract would've been the same? It's football, even with some of their starters sitting he his impact was crystal clear and if anything like i said before the Rams game could've been used to knock him down to size a bit in negotiations "Well their key guys were out and you still turned over the ball twice"

This has nothing to do with me not being objective. Those are facts - he started 5 games. He got paid because of how he performed in all of them. Why are we even arguing about this lol? Has 0 to do with the future since the contract is already done and most of us, you included cheered it at the time?

I don't understand it either lol. he was obviously a big fan of the contract at the time, as we found evidence of, and obviously for a reason. I mean he clearly watched all of Jimmy's 2017 games too. but all of a sudden that week 17 one doesn't count, and he doesn't understand the contract being given based off those starts anymore lol
[ Edited by SkyZer0 on Dec 3, 2020 at 8:00 AM ]
Originally posted by SkyZer0:
I don't understand it either lol. he was obviously a big fan of the contract at the time, as we found evidence of, and obviously for a reason. I mean he clearly watched all of Jimmy's 2017 games too. but all of a sudden that week 17 one doesn't count, and he doesn't understand the contract being given based off those starts lol

Yes I was a fan of it because of the gtd cash and the ease of moving off the deal if he didn't turn into a stud...now we're at that crossroad of rip cord...what's he made so far something like $84M for 28 games?

I never gave him a ton of credit for beating the backups in LA. Why would any logical fan? It was literally one of the most pointless games you can play.
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Dec 3, 2020 at 8:13 AM ]
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by SkyZer0:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
yup, even me. I got so mad when Lynch resigned Ward in 2019 and then he broke his collarbone in OTA's.

You gonna do a film breakdown since the 49ers won?

Jimmy isn't playing so he's not doing them anymore.

FAKE NEWS

give me a break, dude. I actually have other things in my life going on. My Wife works for a health insurance broker and 70% of her annual renewals come due 12/1 and 1/1 so she's working 60 hours a week right now and we have 2 daughters and our daycare got shut down for 2 weeks because of a possible COVID case. It was a lot easier for me to work here and there from home than her missing time during this season. So, I didn't have the extra time to make some videos unless I was staying up until 3 in the morning to do them and losing football isn't enough of a motivator.

LoL.... Funny back and forth. I was 100% on your team until you seemingly admitted what was assumed here.
You're admitting you like to breakdown wins,...not losses...and certainly not drubbings like Miami.

That is what you're saying, right?

When things go completely wrong and off course (compared to what you've said you think),....not only should that pique your interest even more if you're a true student of the game,...but it gives your audience a sense of security that your opinions are actually legit and not one-sided.

Surprised you admitted that you're not as interested in losses,....but I'll at least give you credit for that!

what in the world is going on when people like johnnydel are getting criticized for living a normal life. niner fans are like whinning babies lol
[ Edited by swaccmac1 on Dec 3, 2020 at 8:13 AM ]
Originally posted by NYniner85:
The amount of deflecting and excuses going on in here is maddening...I don't even know where to start. I can't even read all of it.

I'm never gonna change your opinion on Jimmy clearly, you're also not gonna change my mind on what he is as a QB.

I'm gonna leave it at that because I can't deal with this nonsense anymore. It's taken up entirely too much of my time.

Maybe he will play some day...moving on.

You should try reading it...you'd see I'm more on your side than you think.
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