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Originally posted by Gabberwocky:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by JEP83:
And......
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
They agreed to a floor, meaning they don't know the revenues with the uncertainty but all agreed that anything below 175 mil would destroy the league as the revenues on a per team average could be as low as 270 million.

That doesn't mean they agreed to a cap. To me, it's a good faith gesture by the owners to set the precedent with the union that they're willing to bypass the 47% cap calculation to protect the game - but will then expect players to do their part and agree to a league wide pay-cut claused into all contracts to try and maintain the market values of players.

I get that it's capitalism, but the NFL is also a product based game. They've worked for their audience for decades and while we can act like owners are just greedy guys, they're business men first and foremost and entertainment business men. You protect your audience - that's your real product. That's what they sell advertisers. They don't sell advertisers the games or the scores, they sell the audience. If you lose your audience, you lose your product.

They're not going to further risk losing an audience because once you lose an audience, it's very, very hard to get them back - just ask WCW or WWF/E, if you're familiar with wrestling, how easy it is to get the 11 million people who were watching in 1998 and aren't watching now, to come back.

If you allow the league to be gutted of dozens and dozens of playmakers and fill out teams with 1 year players or UDFA's because of the cap, the audience will leave and your product is less valuable.

The audience isn't going anywhere, especially if it's for a season. The owners having a good faith gesture is funny. The literally wanted the opposite of what the players wanted during negations

It's not just about the cap, but actual cash that they have to hand out

https://www.nfl.com/news/2021-nfl-salary-cap-conundrum-three-major-consequences-of-projected-decrease

Before diving into the potential ripple effects of a decreased cap, I want to state that I believe the need for cash spending by clubs will increase in 2021. Generally speaking, the way most club's lower cap numbers is by spending more cash in the present to spread the cap hit out over future years. However, as we all know, it has been a very difficult year for teams and owners to generate revenue, so the availability of cash might be a real issue for some organizations. In addition, this type of cash now/credit card borrowing will likely increase to push spending forward, but past credit card borrowing may exacerbate problems for teams this year because the bill might come due.

Once the TV rights are done (2022) they will have plenty of capital going forward.

Like everything in the world s**t is gonna be a little lean for the next yr....the NFL like everything else will have to adapt. Including the players.

And why is this in this thread?

Because it has been brought up a bunch of times that to keep the team together next year with COVID affecting the cap that we need to tank, cut Jimmy and draft a rookie to get a cheap rookie qb contract.

Tanking isn't something you purposefully do, but speaking of businessmen, it is definitely bad business to pay Garoppolo what we're paying him if an rookie can also throw -6 yard passes that turn into 8 yard gains for four to six times less money, especially with players on the rise like Jason Verrett we might want to extend.

Keeping Verrett, Sherman, and others will be hard with Jimmy's completely undeserved contract. "Market value" my asp; Jimmy has played BELOW what his contract's current market value is, and only the blind homers don't see it. Everyone else, from this forum to the sports media, knows he's being paid way more than his production warrants.

What rookie can get us to the SB next year? That's the bar for any JG replacement.

Top 10 for TDs and passer rating too.

We have seen how CJ has worked out.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by SkyZer0:
I don't understand it either lol. he was obviously a big fan of the contract at the time, as we found evidence of, and obviously for a reason. I mean he clearly watched all of Jimmy's 2017 games too. but all of a sudden that week 17 one doesn't count, and he doesn't understand the contract being given based off those starts lol

Yes I was a fan of it because of the gtd cash and the ease of moving off the deal if he didn't turn into a stud...now we're at that crossroad of rip cord.

I never gave him a ton of credit for beating the backups in LA. Why would any logical fan? It was literally one of the most pointless games you can play.

okay but let's not act like that game was or wasn't some difference-maker in the decision that went into him getting a contractor not is all lol
[ Edited by SkyZer0 on Dec 3, 2020 at 8:16 AM ]
Originally posted by swaccmac1:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by SkyZer0:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
yup, even me. I got so mad when Lynch resigned Ward in 2019 and then he broke his collarbone in OTA's.

You gonna do a film breakdown since the 49ers won?

Jimmy isn't playing so he's not doing them anymore.

FAKE NEWS

give me a break, dude. I actually have other things in my life going on. My Wife works for a health insurance broker and 70% of her annual renewals come due 12/1 and 1/1 so she's working 60 hours a week right now and we have 2 daughters and our daycare got shut down for 2 weeks because of a possible COVID case. It was a lot easier for me to work here and there from home than her missing time during this season. So, I didn't have the extra time to make some videos unless I was staying up until 3 in the morning to do them and losing football isn't enough of a motivator.

LoL.... Funny back and forth. I was 100% on your team until you seemingly admitted what was assumed here.
You're admitting you like to breakdown wins,...not losses...and certainly not drubbings like Miami.

That is what you're saying, right?

When things go completely wrong and off course (compared to what you've said you think),....not only should that pique your interest even more if you're a true student of the game,...but it gives your audience a sense of security that your opinions are actually legit and not one-sided.

Surprised you admitted that you're not as interested in losses,....but I'll at least give you credit for that!

what in the world is going on when people like johnnydel are getting criticized for living a normal life. niner fans are like winning babies lol

Seriously...the amount of effort johnny and thl take to put those threads together should be appreciated, not dogged when their lives get busy.

Not to mention when you're missing key pieces of your team it does lose some of its luster. I mean we can go back and forth about Jimmy but safe bet that Mullens isn't long term starter goals here. Disecting his game doesn't really give you much to look forward to.
Originally posted by swaccmac1:
what in the world is going on when people like johnnydel are getting criticized for living a normal life. niner fans are like whinning babies lol

He's kinda always done this. The guy broke down f****ing Blaine Gabbert film for us lol, but stopped when Kap took over because it was obvious his Gabbert > Kap opinion was incorrect.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
You really cling to this ALEX stat. When I brought up TDs and Passer Rating you countered with the ALEX stat.
Yds/Pass Att
2019 NFL 8.4 (3)
Yds/Pass Cmp
2019 NFL 12.1 (6)
Adj Yds/Pass Att
2019 NFL 8.26 (9)
Net Yds/Pass Att
2019 NFL 7.31 (6)
Adj Net Yds/Pass Att
2019 NFL 7.22 (10)
Pass Completion %
2019 NFL 69.1% (4/28)
Passing TD %
2019 NFL 5.7% (7)

No I brought up ALEX score because you talk about 3rd down conversions...that's exactly what that stat is referring too. Good/bad he throws short of the 1st down marker A LOT. His playmakers deserve credit and I have no idea why people can't acknowledge that. Why is that so hard to admit? Our players get YAC and that's not a secret.

I brought up Winston when you're talking about TDs. You do know they give Jimmy a TD when he throws a shovel pass and Deebo takes it to the house?

I expect him to have a good comp % because his IAY is one of the worst in the league.

Where is the INT % on that list

No, I brought up TDs and passer rating and you countered with ALEX.

Throwing short of the sticks to a player with open space between them and the first down marker is not a bad thing.
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by swaccmac1:
what in the world is going on when people like johnnydel are getting criticized for living a normal life. niner fans are like whinning babies lol

He's kinda always done this. The guy broke down f****ing Blaine Gabbert film for us lol, but stopped when Kap took over because it was obvious his Gabbert > Kap opinion was incorrect.

Both Blaine and Kap were dog s**t neither were better. I'm a big fan of not expecting people to do s**t they don't wanna do.
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
The amount of deflecting and excuses going on in here is maddening...I don't even know where to start. I can't even read all of it.

I'm never gonna change your opinion on Jimmy clearly, you're also not gonna change my mind on what he is as a QB.

I'm gonna leave it at that because I can't deal with this nonsense anymore. It's taken up entirely too much of my time.

Maybe he will play some day...moving on.

You should try reading it...you'd see I'm more on your side than you think.

It's too damn long lol. I do the same thing (write too much) I'm just done with this convo at this point.

Getting someone to change their position on something via SM/fan forums is pointless. Getting a fan to change what they want to see vs what is really happening is almost impossible.

Is what it is. I'll root for him as long as he's in SF. His play imo is not anything special and from POV we can do better as a franchise, we as fans should be expecting more more from our QB given the cash he's gotten.

Like I said moving on
My biggest concern with JG isn't his arm strength or lack of deep accuracy. At this point I can probably live with that. I'm more concerned about his lack of ability to avoid the rush. He can't afford to take hits and with the way the line pass blocks I can see him getting hurt again. Even if they draft a couple of linemen it could take a few games to mold them into a solid unit.
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
My biggest concern with JG isn't his arm strength or lack of deep accuracy. At this point I can probably live with that. I'm more concerned about his lack of ability to avoid the rush. He can't afford to take hits and with the way the line pass blocks I can see him getting hurt again. Even if they draft a couple of linemen it could take a few games to mold them into a solid unit.

His arm is my biggest concern. I wanna see him back this year cause all I have stuck in my head are the recent ducks he was throwing but hopefully it was just cause of his ankle.
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
No, I brought up TDs and passer rating and you countered with ALEX.

Throwing short of the sticks to a player with open space between them and the first down marker is not a bad thing.

Wrong, I brought up winston having MORE TDs than Jimmy when you brought up TDs.

So who gets more credit for that? Jimmy dumping it off short of the sticks to an open playmaker or kyle scheming dudes open, playmakers getting open and getting YAC?

JG played his part and ran the play...doesn't mean he gets all the credit. Not acknowledging the YAC & play calling is crap imo. It's like saying winning % is a QB stat only.

ALEX score has nothing to do with TD s and was never brought up regarding that. It was about 3rd down conversions. That's specifically what that stat is for

Again one of the lowest IAY in the league, yet one of the highest INT % explain that?
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Dec 3, 2020 at 8:41 AM ]
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Both Blaine and Kap were dog s**t neither were better. I'm a big fan of not expecting people to do s**t they don't wanna do.

Lol post their 2016 numbers side by side if you're going to say that. Or their career numbers, both work.

I'm not asking for his breakdowns lol they're too biased for my taste. Just pointing out that he disappears at convenient times.
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
My biggest concern with JG isn't his arm strength or lack of deep accuracy. At this point I can probably live with that. I'm more concerned about his lack of ability to avoid the rush. He can't afford to take hits and with the way the line pass blocks I can see him getting hurt again. Even if they draft a couple of linemen it could take a few games to mold them into a solid unit.

His arm is my biggest concern. I wanna see him back this year cause all I have stuck in my head are the recent ducks he was throwing but hopefully it was just cause of his ankle.

I think it is pretty clear it was the ankle. You can see so many replays where he wont drive off it to throw the ball. Trying to do it all with arm. He doesn't have a huge arm but before the injury it was big enough to throw the deep ball. He has always had middling accuracy with stuff outside about 25 yards but the arm could do it. One of the issues I have with Jimmy that hasn't gone away though, is with the way we are built, we don't even really need him to connect on it a lot...just some and we weren't even getting that. That has been present from the start and hasn't really improved along with some apparently fragility. Add to that his pocket presence seems to be regressing and I finally got to where I was willing to part with him for the right situation. We probably will have to keep him at least another year though as those situations where I can see moving on are getting more and more unlikely. It isn't that he is bad, people keep trying to make it black and white like that. It isn't about good or bad. He is a pretty decent QB still, but he is getting paid like he is top ten and he clearly isn't. He occasionally sniffs top ten production in an offense that is designed to make him look like a mega star. If you gave the keys to this Lamborghini to a real race car driver, it would sing.
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
The amount of deflecting and excuses going on in here is maddening...I don't even know where to start. I can't even read all of it.

I'm never gonna change your opinion on Jimmy clearly, you're also not gonna change my mind on what he is as a QB.

I'm gonna leave it at that because I can't deal with this nonsense anymore. It's taken up entirely too much of my time.

Maybe he will play some day...moving on.

You should try reading it...you'd see I'm more on your side than you think.

Would be great if we could just exchange opinions without worrying about sides. I don't think you need to carry the burden of committing people to saying or not saying what they think. I don't think Jed or Lynch are making decisions based on what we think.
[ Edited by random49er on Dec 3, 2020 at 9:15 AM ]
Originally posted by genus49:
Seriously...the amount of effort johnny and thl take to put those threads together should be appreciated, not dogged when their lives get busy.

Not to mention when you're missing key pieces of your team it does lose some of its luster.

If you only break down stuff that's favorable to your preconceived notion or opinion,...or only are good wins,...that's 100% fine!

But I'd have to keep that in mind with all the follow ups. I can't put them in the impartial category,...gotta take what I see with a grain of salt.

Just now hearing about the Gabbert>Kap stuff,...didn't read much here then and had no clue.
[ Edited by random49er on Dec 3, 2020 at 9:58 AM ]
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Both Blaine and Kap were dog s**t neither were better. I'm a big fan of not expecting people to do s**t they don't wanna do.

Lol post their 2016 numbers side by side if you're going to say that. Or their career numbers, both work.

I'm not asking for his breakdowns lol they're too biased for my taste. Just pointing out that he disappears at convenient times.

They were both bad. The NFL is better without either of those QBs playing a game.
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