Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Tom Pelissero says Jimmy has to stay healthy to keep his job. What a genius! They actually pay him to write that stuff?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Now we have a very young high prospect with a lot of potential. and most people here just want to throw Lance in thinking he's already a vet and do what any NFL QB can do without playing a snap

He doesn't have to be a grizzled vet to be successful though, some people think the best way for him to improve at this point is to actually play football....not sit for what will be 2 plus seasons of football imagine thinking not playing a sport for multiple years makes you better

He's already spent an NFL season preparing to be a pro, going over film with NFL QBs, working on mechanics etc. The only thing he didn't do, that he would this yr by sitting is focusing on just Kyle's playbook.

He doesn't have to start day 1, he should be the starter at some point this season though.

Yeah I haven't seen anyone say he has to start day 1. Now that Jimmy was kept on the roster he will be the starter. But if Jimmy loses two games before the bye Lance will become the starter.

agreed. I would still try to get a pay cut from Jimmy before the season starts, if they have any plans to start Trey this yr.

The FO should have squared that away a long time ago. So we could have traded/cut and sign a vet back up. If in a bizzaro world get jimmy to sign/take a pay cut before this season, it might be via extension which means Jimmy will be here longer

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
The FO should have squared that away a long time ago. So we could have traded/cut and sign a vet back up. If in a bizzaro world get jimmy to sign/take a pay cut before this season, it might be via extension which means Jimmy will be here longer

It's not a lump sum payment and his money is spread out game by game this year so my guess is they're cool with it at least early in the season before any major moves are to be needed.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
The FO should have squared that away a long time ago. So we could have traded/cut and sign a vet back up. If in a bizzaro world get jimmy to sign/take a pay cut before this season, it might be via extension which means Jimmy will be here longer

Not true, they could have wanted to see what they had in Trey during TC before asking for a pay cut. They could have waited for the market to dry up (along with everyone's cash) before asking.

At this point every team has their starter and backup in place. There isn't a team in the league that has an extra $12M+ sitting around to sign a backup. Jimmy get's his cash of say around $12M and becomes a FA in 2022. He still get's to compete for the starting position and go into the market in 2022 (while playing for a legit SB team). No team is gonna sign him for more than that if SF cuts him at this point....I'd say that's better than getting traded in 2022 to say the Texans.

They then have an extra $12M to resign Warner and roll over more cash into 2022. That's not chump change at all. They can use that cash if they want to sign someone else before the season starts or help extend another guy in 2022.

Jimmy getting an extension Jimmy will more than likely be playing 2022 at a massively reduced cap hit wherever he ends up.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
The FO should have squared that away a long time ago. So we could have traded/cut and sign a vet back up. If in a bizzaro world get jimmy to sign/take a pay cut before this season, it might be via extension which means Jimmy will be here longer

It's not a lump sum payment and his money is spread out game by game this year so my guess is they're cool with it at least early in the season before any major moves are to be needed.

it might be cool right now, it won't be if he gets inured with his injury guarantees

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
The FO should have squared that away a long time ago. So we could have traded/cut and sign a vet back up. If in a bizzaro world get jimmy to sign/take a pay cut before this season, it might be via extension which means Jimmy will be here longer

It's not a lump sum payment and his money is spread out game by game this year so my guess is they're cool with it at least early in the season before any major moves are to be needed.

according to AB his contract is GTD week 1...either SF is on the hook for $26.4M come week 1 or if they trade him to someone else before the deadline.

My point is if they truly believe Lance will be starting at some point this season, they shouldn't be paying Jimmy that much cash.

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
It became a thing because the ankle was still an excuse for the games he sucked in last year, Miami comes to mind. What's funny about the whole thing is that in the Jets game where he initially got hurt, you don't see the same people using the ankle excuse because he played well despite obviously limping around and being left in there. The Miami game, he was dropping back just fine and I couldn't see anything with the ankle that really stood out, the coaching staff and medical staff obviously agrees or he wouldn't be cleared to play if it were as bad as people try to make it seem. Jimmy himself prior to the game said that his ankle felt great, post game (after sucking) of course it bothered him. I guarantee had he played well it wouldn't have lol.

Wow. Then you get takes like this in this thread.

Have you ever played any sport, let alone football, with a bad high ankle sprain? I'm guessing not from your "take" here. I have, and it can completely shut you down athletically. Depending on its severity, and from all accounts Garoppolo's was very severe where surgery was discussed, you can go from playing somewhat on it and getting through the pain to really not being able to perform well at all & getting shut down.

"I couldn't see anything with the ankle that really stood out"...yes, you just said that. Maybe you weren't watching closely...maybe you missed the part where, on the replays in that Dolphins game, you could see him favoring his ankle and it affecting his throws with the ankle coming off the ground early. You could also see how the ball came out and how it was in flight. Does all this really need to be explained? I guess so if you weren't watching closely.

I'll say it again: When Garoppolo starts AND finishes games, the Niners win at a very high rate and are incredibly tough to beat. Those games where he starts AND finishes for the Niners, or 29 games, they are 23-6 and average 29 ppg. Very good team results in today's NFL.

He's not great but he's very good when he can start and finish games, which he helps keep this team in every single game.

More importantly, he helps them win a lot.

Tell me how else the whole ankle situation became a thing, speaking in this thread, that's what I originally commented on? People question the severity of it, myself included and I think even the coaching staff questioned it towards the end of the season when he was cleared to play and didn't. Others battled back from injuries as well and even though we "had nothing to play for" they still did for their teammates.

Yes I have played sports, both football and baseball from 5 years old through Highschool, Military right after. Not sure what it is to you or why it matters, but I've had many injuries throughout my lifetime and ankle sprains was not the worst of them, granted yes indeed high ankle sprains are no joke and severities/length always vary. You think other QBs in the NFL never played through high ankle sprains? I've got news for you lol. Answer me this, if it was as severe as you are making it seem, how in the hell did he get cleared from both the medical team and coaches? Why from his own mouth did he say it felt great? Then after the s**tty game say it bothered him. You think he would say that if he balled out? GTFO. Since you want to bring up personal experience, clearly he wouldn't have been able to take 3 and 5 step drops on that back foot when that was the one hurt when you say "it can completely shut you down athletically"?

Yes I watched the game closely and I'll say it again, nothing looked like you try to portray. I remember clear as day because I was arguing with jonnydel about this exact thing and how the side by side video they showed was laughable. The difference was minute in my opinion and even the commentators had to put extra effort in pointing out the difference in "healthy" and "injured" ankle. Look I'm not going to sit here and say that it didn't affect him, I'm just saying that he wasn't the first and won't be the last to play on it and I don't think it was as bad as you do. He didn't, the medical team didn't and the coaches didn't as well. This isn't the only game as well. If it were as severe as you try to portray, he either would've needed surgery or never been cleared to play. If you "choose" to play, which he did, you can't use that s**t as an excuse or cop out as to why you played as bad as you did. Can't say it feels great and then after the fact it doesn't. That's weak to me, to each there own but I guess I come from the rub dirt on it days and suck it up as opposed to the cupcake league nowadays. I'll just agree to disagree with you on this, no point in going back and forth

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
it might be cool right now, it won't be if he gets inured with his injury guarantees

I mean I believe according to AB his contract is GTD week 1 so if we're all assuming/waiting for him to eventually get hurt (hope not) why not get a reasonable pay cut in place before the season starts?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
The FO should have squared that away a long time ago. So we could have traded/cut and sign a vet back up. If in a bizzaro world get jimmy to sign/take a pay cut before this season, it might be via extension which means Jimmy will be here longer

Not true, they could have wanted to see what they had in Trey during TC before asking for a pay cut. They could have waited for the market to dry up (along with everyone's cash) before asking.

At this point every team has their starter and backup in place. There isn't a team in the league that has an extra $12M+ sitting around to sign a backup. Jimmy get's his cash of say around $12M and becomes a FA in 2022. He still get's to compete for the starting position and go into the market in 2022 (while playing for a legit SB team). No team is gonna sign him for more than that if SF cuts him at this point....I'd say that's better than getting traded in 2022 to say the Texans.

They then have an extra $12M to resign Warner and roll over more cash into 2022. That's not chump change at all. They can use that cash if they want to sign someone else before the season starts or help extend another guy in 2022.

Jimmy getting an extension Jimmy will more than likely be playing 2022 at a massively reduced cap hit wherever he ends up.

i see but lets stay grounded on this "pay cut scenario". The 49ers are not going to cut him this season. The FO needs to make it worth his while to accept a pay cut. you think he's just gonna take a pay cut when he doesn't need to ?

If they did plan on making him take a pay cut, all this wating didn't help them with the saved money (is my point on why they should have squared this up awhile back). plus, we're actively trying to resign Warner without anything to do with Jimmy's pay right now.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
It became a thing because the ankle was still an excuse for the games he sucked in last year, Miami comes to mind. What's funny about the whole thing is that in the Jets game where he initially got hurt, you don't see the same people using the ankle excuse because he played well despite obviously limping around and being left in there. The Miami game, he was dropping back just fine and I couldn't see anything with the ankle that really stood out, the coaching staff and medical staff obviously agrees or he wouldn't be cleared to play if it were as bad as people try to make it seem. Jimmy himself prior to the game said that his ankle felt great, post game (after sucking) of course it bothered him. I guarantee had he played well it wouldn't have lol.

Wow. Then you get takes like this in this thread.

Have you ever played any sport, let alone football, with a bad high ankle sprain? I'm guessing not from your "take" here. I have, and it can completely shut you down athletically. Depending on its severity, and from all accounts Garoppolo's was very severe where surgery was discussed, you can go from playing somewhat on it and getting through the pain to really not being able to perform well at all & getting shut down.

"I couldn't see anything with the ankle that really stood out"...yes, you just said that. Maybe you weren't watching closely...maybe you missed the part where, on the replays in that Dolphins game, you could see him favoring his ankle and it affecting his throws with the ankle coming off the ground early. You could also see how the ball came out and how it was in flight. Does all this really need to be explained? I guess so if you weren't watching closely.

I'll say it again: When Garoppolo starts AND finishes games, the Niners win at a very high rate and are incredibly tough to beat. Those games where he starts AND finishes for the Niners, or 29 games, they are 23-6 and average 29 ppg. Very good team results in today's NFL.

He's not great but he's very good when he can start and finish games, which he helps keep this team in every single game.

More importantly, he helps them win a lot.

Tell me how else the whole ankle situation became a thing, speaking in this thread, that's what I originally commented on? People question the severity of it, myself included and I think even the coaching staff questioned it towards the end of the season when he was cleared to play and didn't. Others battled back from injuries as well and even though we "had nothing to play for" they still did for their teammates.

Yes I have played sports, both football and baseball from 5 years old through Highschool, Military right after. Not sure what it is to you or why it matters, but I've had many injuries throughout my lifetime and ankle sprains was not the worst of them, granted yes indeed high ankle sprains are no joke and severities/length always vary. You think other QBs in the NFL never played through high ankle sprains? I've got news for you lol. Answer me this, if it was as severe as you are making it seem, how in the hell did he get cleared from both the medical team and coaches? Why from his own mouth did he say it felt great? Then after the s**tty game say it bothered him. You think he would say that if he balled out? GTFO. Since you want to bring up personal experience, clearly he wouldn't have been able to take 3 and 5 step drops on that back foot when that was the one hurt when you say "it can completely shut you down athletically"?

Yes I watched the game closely and I'll say it again, nothing looked like you try to portray. I remember clear as day because I was arguing with jonnydel about this exact thing and how the side by side video they showed was laughable. The difference was minute in my opinion and even the commentators had to put extra effort in pointing out the difference in "healthy" and "injured" ankle. Look I'm not going to sit here and say that it didn't affect him, I'm just saying that he wasn't the first and won't be the last to play on it and I don't think it was as bad as you do. He didn't, the medical team didn't and the coaches didn't as well. This isn't the only game as well. If it were as severe as you try to portray, he either would've needed surgery or never been cleared to play. If you "choose" to play, which he did, you can't use that s**t as an excuse or cop out as to why you played as bad as you did. Can't say it feels great and then after the fact it doesn't. That's weak to me, to each there own but I guess I come from the rub dirt on it days and suck it up as opposed to the cupcake league nowadays. I'll just agree to disagree with you on this, no point in going back and forth

You say, "Answer me this, if it was as severe as you are making it seem, how in the hell did he get cleared from both the medical team and coaches? Why from his own mouth did he say it felt great?" I'll respond: It was severe if you've heard the reports after the season in considering surgery as a possibility, and then you hear teammates say the same thing about how severe it was. I heard about it here on Bay Area radio from media close to the team. How did he get cleared? Really? Competitors like Garoppolo get cleared many times when they probably shouldn't because they're just that - competitors - and they're tough and they lobby like hell to keep playing if they possibly can. I've done the same myself as an athlete and suffered the consequences after the fact.

I notice you didn't respond to the very important part of my post of when Garoppolo starts and finishes games. Kind of important considering it has amounted to A LOT of winning for this team with A LOT of ppg.

Keep up with the negative and many times poor "takes" on Garoppolo like we see from you in this forum. You can dislike Garoppolo as a QB, you can point out all of his flaws like you do often - flaws that anyone with good football knowledge can see as clear as day. But don't go throwing up bogus stuff about him in your posts. And, if you can't acknowledge that he's a very good (no doubt better than "average") starting NFL QB when he starts and finishes games, it reveals some things and I don't know what to tell you.

Every Niners fan who watches Garoppolo play closely can see the areas needed for improvement. And, we all wish he would stay healthy. If he's QB1 for this team starting with Game 1 like I very much think he'll be, I would hope you would be rooting for him because rooting for your QB1 to do well is rooting for the Niners to do well.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
it might be cool right now, it won't be if he gets inured with his injury guarantees

I mean I believe according to AB his contract is GTD week 1 so if we're all assuming/waiting for him to eventually get hurt (hope not) why not get a reasonable pay cut in place before the season starts?

if your boss came in with your replacement and asked you take a pay cut and lessen your benefits for the hell of it.. When right now you are the man...

you would ?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
if your boss came in with your replacement and asked you take a pay cut and lessen your benefits for the hell of it.. When right now you are the man...

you would ?

If my boss controlled where I would work a yr from now (and i could control that after the fact) plus I KNEW I would still make more $ after the pay cut then I would anywhere else. Yeah I would.

And let's be real "my job" isn't being a NFL QB that's already made close to $100M…

Nick Foles went from winning a SB to getting traded twice and taking a pay cut in a short amount of time. That's the business side of football.

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
It became a thing because the ankle was still an excuse for the games he sucked in last year, Miami comes to mind. What's funny about the whole thing is that in the Jets game where he initially got hurt, you don't see the same people using the ankle excuse because he played well despite obviously limping around and being left in there. The Miami game, he was dropping back just fine and I couldn't see anything with the ankle that really stood out, the coaching staff and medical staff obviously agrees or he wouldn't be cleared to play if it were as bad as people try to make it seem. Jimmy himself prior to the game said that his ankle felt great, post game (after sucking) of course it bothered him. I guarantee had he played well it wouldn't have lol.

Wow. Then you get takes like this in this thread.

Have you ever played any sport, let alone football, with a bad high ankle sprain? I'm guessing not from your "take" here. I have, and it can completely shut you down athletically. Depending on its severity, and from all accounts Garoppolo's was very severe where surgery was discussed, you can go from playing somewhat on it and getting through the pain to really not being able to perform well at all & getting shut down.

"I couldn't see anything with the ankle that really stood out"...yes, you just said that. Maybe you weren't watching closely...maybe you missed the part where, on the replays in that Dolphins game, you could see him favoring his ankle and it affecting his throws with the ankle coming off the ground early. You could also see how the ball came out and how it was in flight. Does all this really need to be explained? I guess so if you weren't watching closely.

I'll say it again: When Garoppolo starts AND finishes games, the Niners win at a very high rate and are incredibly tough to beat. Those games where he starts AND finishes for the Niners, or 29 games, they are 23-6 and average 29 ppg. Very good team results in today's NFL.

He's not great but he's very good when he can start and finish games, which he helps keep this team in every single game.

More importantly, he helps them win a lot.

Tell me how else the whole ankle situation became a thing, speaking in this thread, that's what I originally commented on? People question the severity of it, myself included and I think even the coaching staff questioned it towards the end of the season when he was cleared to play and didn't. Others battled back from injuries as well and even though we "had nothing to play for" they still did for their teammates.

Yes I have played sports, both football and baseball from 5 years old through Highschool, Military right after. Not sure what it is to you or why it matters, but I've had many injuries throughout my lifetime and ankle sprains was not the worst of them, granted yes indeed high ankle sprains are no joke and severities/length always vary. You think other QBs in the NFL never played through high ankle sprains? I've got news for you lol. Answer me this, if it was as severe as you are making it seem, how in the hell did he get cleared from both the medical team and coaches? Why from his own mouth did he say it felt great? Then after the s**tty game say it bothered him. You think he would say that if he balled out? GTFO. Since you want to bring up personal experience, clearly he wouldn't have been able to take 3 and 5 step drops on that back foot when that was the one hurt when you say "it can completely shut you down athletically"?

Yes I watched the game closely and I'll say it again, nothing looked like you try to portray. I remember clear as day because I was arguing with jonnydel about this exact thing and how the side by side video they showed was laughable. The difference was minute in my opinion and even the commentators had to put extra effort in pointing out the difference in "healthy" and "injured" ankle. Look I'm not going to sit here and say that it didn't affect him, I'm just saying that he wasn't the first and won't be the last to play on it and I don't think it was as bad as you do. He didn't, the medical team didn't and the coaches didn't as well. This isn't the only game as well. If it were as severe as you try to portray, he either would've needed surgery or never been cleared to play. If you "choose" to play, which he did, you can't use that s**t as an excuse or cop out as to why you played as bad as you did. Can't say it feels great and then after the fact it doesn't. That's weak to me, to each there own but I guess I come from the rub dirt on it days and suck it up as opposed to the cupcake league nowadays. I'll just agree to disagree with you on this, no point in going back and forth

You say, "Answer me this, if it was as severe as you are making it seem, how in the hell did he get cleared from both the medical team and coaches? Why from his own mouth did he say it felt great?" I'll respond: It was severe if you've heard the reports after the season in considering surgery as a possibility, and then you hear teammates say the same thing about how severe it was. I heard about it here on Bay Area radio from media close to the team. How did he get cleared? Really? Competitors like Garoppolo get cleared many times when they probably shouldn't because they're just that - competitors - and they're tough and they lobby like hell to keep playing if they possibly can. I've done the same myself as an athlete and suffered the consequences after the fact.

I notice you didn't respond to the very important part of my post of when Garoppolo starts and finishes games. Kind of important considering it has amounted to A LOT of winning for this team with A LOT of ppg.

Keep up with the negative and many times poor "takes" on Garoppolo like we see from you in this forum. You can dislike Garoppolo as a QB, you can point out all of his flaws like you do often - flaws that anyone with good football knowledge can see as clear as day. But don't go throwing up bogus stuff about him in your posts. And, if you can't acknowledge that he's a very good (no doubt better than "average") starting NFL QB when he starts and finishes games, it reveals some things and I don't know what to tell you.

Every Niners fan who watches Garoppolo play closely can see the areas needed for improvement. And, we all wish he would stay healthy. If he's QB1 for this team starting with Game 1 like I very much think he'll be, I would hope you would be rooting for him because rooting for your QB1 to do well is rooting for the Niners to do well.

What the hell you talking about man? Many times poor takes in this forum?? I stay the f**k away from this forum because discussions can't happen about Jimmy, you either have to love him or you're a hater. I've stated my opinions in here and by you saying it's bogus is making my above point. Everything I said is facts, he said it felt great, got cleared from the team, played poorly and then said it wasn't great. That isn't a bogus take, it's exactly what happened. If Jimmy wants to be "tough" and be labeled a competitor, doing the above doesn't help his case. You can think of it whatever you want, so can I, honestly I believe what happened at the end when he didn't play through it after being cleared is also a part in why he won't be with us much longer. Similar to when Trent Brown didn't play if you remember that. I've also done the same as an athlete, I think EVERYONE who plays sports for a long time at some point plays through injuries, comes with the territory.

I didn't respond to that part of your post because it's irrelevant to what was being discussed. That has been talked about enough in here and guess what, even with A LOT of winning and A LOT of ppg (small sample size) we just spent a ton to replace him anyway. I've never once said that I don't like Jimmy or don't think he's a good QB, I just never thought (and still don't think) he's great or anything special.

I very much would root for him game 1, even stated that I think it will be him week one in this thread or Lances.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
if your boss came in with your replacement and asked you take a pay cut and lessen your benefits for the hell of it.. When right now you are the man...

you would ?

If my boss controlled where I would work a yr from now (and i could control that after the fact) plus I KNEW I would still make more $ after the pay cut then I would anywhere else. Yeah I would.

And let's be real "my job" isn't being a NFL QB that's already made close to $100M…

Nick Foles went from winning a SB to getting traded twice and taking a pay cut in a short amount of time. That's the business side of football.

what? i'm sure you would be excited to possibly work two years and earn only 1 years pay of what you used to make

like your Foles comparison, you don;t know if you're going to make as much or more as your current contract, i guess that would be more reason to accept less pay ?

i would do it if i can get some guranteed money in 2022 and some but not a lot in 2023

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
if your boss came in with your replacement and asked you take a pay cut and lessen your benefits for the hell of it.. When right now you are the man...

you would ?

If my boss controlled where I would work a yr from now (and i could control that after the fact) plus I KNEW I would still make more $ after the pay cut then I would anywhere else. Yeah I would.

And let's be real "my job" isn't being a NFL QB that's already made close to $100M…

Nick Foles went from winning a SB to getting traded twice and taking a pay cut in a short amount of time. That's the business side of football.

what? i'm sure you would be excited to possibly work two years and earn only 1 years pay of what you used to make

like your Foles comparison, you don;t know if you're going to make as much or more as your current contract, i guess that would be more reason to accept less pay ?

Are you really trying to compare regular jobs to the NFL?