Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
if your boss came in with your replacement and asked you take a pay cut and lessen your benefits for the hell of it.. When right now you are the man...

you would ?

If my boss controlled where I would work a yr from now (and i could control that after the fact) plus I KNEW I would still make more $ after the pay cut then I would anywhere else. Yeah I would.

And let's be real "my job" isn't being a NFL QB that's already made close to $100M…

Nick Foles went from winning a SB to getting traded twice and taking a pay cut in a short amount of time. That's the business side of football.

what? i'm sure you would be excited to possibly work two years and earn only 1 years pay of what you used to make

like your Foles comparison, you don;t know if you're going to make as much or more as your current contract, i guess that would be more reason to accept less pay ?

Are you really trying to compare regular jobs to the NFL?

somewhat, no one would accept a pay cut if they knew their time is up and the options after is downhill

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
It became a thing because the ankle was still an excuse for the games he sucked in last year, Miami comes to mind. What's funny about the whole thing is that in the Jets game where he initially got hurt, you don't see the same people using the ankle excuse because he played well despite obviously limping around and being left in there. The Miami game, he was dropping back just fine and I couldn't see anything with the ankle that really stood out, the coaching staff and medical staff obviously agrees or he wouldn't be cleared to play if it were as bad as people try to make it seem. Jimmy himself prior to the game said that his ankle felt great, post game (after sucking) of course it bothered him. I guarantee had he played well it wouldn't have lol.

Wow. Then you get takes like this in this thread.

Have you ever played any sport, let alone football, with a bad high ankle sprain? I'm guessing not from your "take" here. I have, and it can completely shut you down athletically. Depending on its severity, and from all accounts Garoppolo's was very severe where surgery was discussed, you can go from playing somewhat on it and getting through the pain to really not being able to perform well at all & getting shut down.

"I couldn't see anything with the ankle that really stood out"...yes, you just said that. Maybe you weren't watching closely...maybe you missed the part where, on the replays in that Dolphins game, you could see him favoring his ankle and it affecting his throws with the ankle coming off the ground early. You could also see how the ball came out and how it was in flight. Does all this really need to be explained? I guess so if you weren't watching closely.

I'll say it again: When Garoppolo starts AND finishes games, the Niners win at a very high rate and are incredibly tough to beat. Those games where he starts AND finishes for the Niners, or 29 games, they are 23-6 and average 29 ppg. Very good team results in today's NFL.

He's not great but he's very good when he can start and finish games, which he helps keep this team in every single game.

More importantly, he helps them win a lot.

Tell me how else the whole ankle situation became a thing, speaking in this thread, that's what I originally commented on? People question the severity of it, myself included and I think even the coaching staff questioned it towards the end of the season when he was cleared to play and didn't. Others battled back from injuries as well and even though we "had nothing to play for" they still did for their teammates.

Yes I have played sports, both football and baseball from 5 years old through Highschool, Military right after. Not sure what it is to you or why it matters, but I've had many injuries throughout my lifetime and ankle sprains was not the worst of them, granted yes indeed high ankle sprains are no joke and severities/length always vary. You think other QBs in the NFL never played through high ankle sprains? I've got news for you lol. Answer me this, if it was as severe as you are making it seem, how in the hell did he get cleared from both the medical team and coaches? Why from his own mouth did he say it felt great? Then after the s**tty game say it bothered him. You think he would say that if he balled out? GTFO. Since you want to bring up personal experience, clearly he wouldn't have been able to take 3 and 5 step drops on that back foot when that was the one hurt when you say "it can completely shut you down athletically"?

Yes I watched the game closely and I'll say it again, nothing looked like you try to portray. I remember clear as day because I was arguing with jonnydel about this exact thing and how the side by side video they showed was laughable. The difference was minute in my opinion and even the commentators had to put extra effort in pointing out the difference in "healthy" and "injured" ankle. Look I'm not going to sit here and say that it didn't affect him, I'm just saying that he wasn't the first and won't be the last to play on it and I don't think it was as bad as you do. He didn't, the medical team didn't and the coaches didn't as well. This isn't the only game as well. If it were as severe as you try to portray, he either would've needed surgery or never been cleared to play. If you "choose" to play, which he did, you can't use that s**t as an excuse or cop out as to why you played as bad as you did. Can't say it feels great and then after the fact it doesn't. That's weak to me, to each there own but I guess I come from the rub dirt on it days and suck it up as opposed to the cupcake league nowadays. I'll just agree to disagree with you on this, no point in going back and forth

You say, "Answer me this, if it was as severe as you are making it seem, how in the hell did he get cleared from both the medical team and coaches? Why from his own mouth did he say it felt great?" I'll respond: It was severe if you've heard the reports after the season in considering surgery as a possibility, and then you hear teammates say the same thing about how severe it was. I heard about it here on Bay Area radio from media close to the team. How did he get cleared? Really? Competitors like Garoppolo get cleared many times when they probably shouldn't because they're just that - competitors - and they're tough and they lobby like hell to keep playing if they possibly can. I've done the same myself as an athlete and suffered the consequences after the fact.

I notice you didn't respond to the very important part of my post of when Garoppolo starts and finishes games. Kind of important considering it has amounted to A LOT of winning for this team with A LOT of ppg.

Keep up with the negative and many times poor "takes" on Garoppolo like we see from you in this forum. You can dislike Garoppolo as a QB, you can point out all of his flaws like you do often - flaws that anyone with good football knowledge can see as clear as day. But don't go throwing up bogus stuff about him in your posts. And, if you can't acknowledge that he's a very good (no doubt better than "average") starting NFL QB when he starts and finishes games, it reveals some things and I don't know what to tell you.

Every Niners fan who watches Garoppolo play closely can see the areas needed for improvement. And, we all wish he would stay healthy. If he's QB1 for this team starting with Game 1 like I very much think he'll be, I would hope you would be rooting for him because rooting for your QB1 to do well is rooting for the Niners to do well.

What the hell you talking about man? Many times poor takes in this forum?? I stay the f**k away from this forum because discussions can't happen about Jimmy, you either have to love him or you're a hater. I've stated my opinions in here and by you saying it's bogus is making my above point. Everything I said is facts, he said it felt great, got cleared from the team, played poorly and then said it wasn't great. That isn't a bogus take, it's exactly what happened. If Jimmy wants to be "tough" and be labeled a competitor, doing the above doesn't help his case. You can think of it whatever you want, so can I, honestly I believe what happened at the end when he didn't play through it after being cleared is also a part in why he won't be with us much longer. Similar to when Trent Brown didn't play if you remember that. I've also done the same as an athlete, I think EVERYONE who plays sports for a long time at some point plays through injuries, comes with the territory.

I didn't respond to that part of your post because it's irrelevant to what was being discussed. That has been talked about enough in here and guess what, even with A LOT of winning and A LOT of ppg (small sample size) we just spent a ton to replace him anyway. I've never once said that I don't like Jimmy or don't think he's a good QB, I just never thought (and still don't think) he's great or anything special.

I very much would root for him game 1, even stated that I think it will be him week one in this thread or Lances.

We'll see what happens. Like I said, this team with Garoppolo at QB1, when he plays the entire game, is incredibly tough to beat. If he stays healthy this year and Shanahan taps him as QB1 this year like I think will happen, and I'll put this team with him and its talent up against any team any time and very much like the Niners' chances.

I'm not saying you have to "love or hate" Garoppolo. And as you've seen in what I've wrote in our exchange, I'm the first to acknowledge he has very noticeable flaws. I feel my standards for the NFL QB position are as high as anyone's in watching every game played by this team's great QBs in the 80s and 90s - along with watching QB play around the league for the past 44 years. I know what I've seen in Garoppolo and his abilities in watching & re-watching his games here and in NE. I'm hoping this year he stays healthy and improves on his 2019 production - because if so, watch out for this team. But of course, I would never say he's "great" right now - but very good & definitely better than "average."

You said it and I'll say it - we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
We'll see what happens. Like I said, this team with Garoppolo at QB1, when he plays the entire game, is incredibly tough to beat. If he stays healthy this year and Shanahan taps him as QB1 this year like I think will happen, and I'll put this team with him and its talent up against any team any time and very much like the Niners' chances.

I'm not saying you have to "love or hate" Garoppolo. And as you've seen in what I've wrote in our exchange, I'm the first to acknowledge he has very noticeable flaws. I feel my standards for the NFL QB position are as high as anyone's in watching every game played by this team's great QBs in the 80s and 90s - along with watching QB play around the league for the past 44 years. I know what I've seen in Garoppolo and his abilities in watching & re-watching his games here and in NE. I'm hoping this year he stays healthy and improves on his 2019 production - because if so, watch out for this team. But of course, I would never say he's "great" right now - but very good & definitely better than "average."

You said it and I'll say it - we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
We'll see what happens. Like I said, this team with Garoppolo at QB1, when he plays the entire game, is incredibly tough to beat. If he stays healthy this year and Shanahan taps him as QB1 this year like I think will happen, and I'll put this team with him and its talent up against any team any time and very much like the Niners' chances.

I'm not saying you have to "love or hate" Garoppolo. And as you've seen in what I've wrote in our exchange, I'm the first to acknowledge he has very noticeable flaws. I feel my standards for the NFL QB position are as high as anyone's in watching every game played by this team's great QBs in the 80s and 90s - along with watching QB play around the league for the past 44 years. I know what I've seen in Garoppolo and his abilities in watching & re-watching his games here and in NE. I'm hoping this year he stays healthy and improves on his 2019 production - because if so, watch out for this team. But of course, I would never say he's "great" right now - but very good & definitely better than "average."

You said it and I'll say it - we'll just have to agree to disagree.

In the end, we're all Niners fans here. Rooting for Garoppolo, rooting for Lance, and every player on this team.

The beauty of football and any sport is the conversation and differening opinions between fans, its partly why we love it.

Relatively new to this forum but thoroughly enjoying reading lots of different opinions and thoughts and by jove I think most angles are covered on here!

Nobody should want any player on the Niners to fail or they're not a true fan but people will have their favourites and the ones they think are busts.

Jimmy is such a tough one to properly evaluate IMO due to the lack of game time overall, stats don't usually lie though and his record when healthy is impressive. His problem is he's relatively limited when compared to the proper modern QBs.

I've no issue with Jimmy being QB1 if he stays fit.

I also cannot wait for Trey to ball out.

It's a great position to be in.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
For those that argue Jimmy isn't consistent...

First 6 games:
2017: 7 TDs, 5 INTs
2019: 7 TDs, 6 INTs
2020: 7 TDs, 5 INTs

GUNSLINGER!

13-5 w-l ?

Kap was 14-6 at one point lol. Goes to show what little value small sample sizes hold.

Yup.

Would you rather not win at all until we get a HOFQB ?

So be like the Marvin Lewis Bengals?

4 yrs of 10+ wins with Dalton Goff 42-20 with McVay…going to a SB, but you know gonna win it all with him

No one answered the question

I'd rather lose til I have a franchise QB. I bet fans on Cincinnati are far more excited for their team now with Burrow than they ever were with Dalton.

Dude your absolutely crazy.
f**k that.
you think the fans of GB or the Saints or Wilson have a great time getting bounced every year?
Takes a whole team ESPECIALLY DEFENSE.
Most of the SB winners had top defenses.
You all want the rookie salary to be able to add players to be competitive but you all want that FQB. Lol

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
This isn't the 90s anymore where even average QBs are hard to find.

Just look all 32 teams, most have at least an average starter. So if you want to consistently win in the NFL you need a great QB. You can't keep a dominant defense for that long. Name one team that's had a good/great defense for 10 years since the cap era.

There's gonna be years when your defense isn't as good to go along with your OL, or weapons on offense, or run game. And those are the years where having a great QB at least keeps the team competitve.

So if you want to win a lot, like you asked, then you need to have a great QB.

Your formula to winning = elite run game, solid defenses and guys staying healthy all year, but that just isn't a viable approach.

"Name one team that's had a good/great defense for 10 years since the cap era."

How about the Ravens? My Ravens fan buddy has been reminding me of that fact for at least the past 10 years.

Ravens & Pittsburg but at least Pitt got Big Ben who always had great weapons on offense. Now we will have Lance and a very good defense for 10 years

Exactly - and yes, you can add Pittsburgh in there w/ their D.

And this year, we've got such an improved QB room to prepare for anything and be able to beat anyone any game. Looking forward to this team competing.

Steelers defense was pretty average for a couple of years and it was their offense carrying the team.

Ravens have been pretty good, so I'll give him that one but that's just one team, out of 32. While there have been multiple teams who have been consistently good when they have a great QB.

So no, banking every year that your defense/run game/OL/weapons on offense, are gonna be solid every year, it's very unlikely.

So who is banking every year that just the D, run game, OL, & weapons on O are going to be solid every year? Not me. The good news is this year, the Niners QB room is looking so much better than the previous years under Shanahan.

The Niners have this year a QB1 in Garoppolo they've proven then can win with at a very high rate when he can start and finish games (29 of those for the Niners, which = 23-6 record & 29 ppg...very good team results in today's NFL). He's not great but he's very good when healthy and helps keep this team in every game - and helps them win a lot.

And, if something happens to Garoppolo (or, if by some chance Lance earns QB1 to start the season), Lance is there to step in and hopefully perform - we still have to see/hear how he's coming along in TC, preseason, etc.

The bolded, to me, is the true story of JG and the situation heading into 2021. People put him in the category of pre-Harbaugh Alex Smith for god's sake, when that couldn't be further from the truth.

When healthy, he's very good; not great, but he helps them win and can make a comeback or seal the game. Health is always the key issue.

He's never had a fire underneath him or any pressure from another QB in his entire career, very excited to see how he responds.

Yeah I know. People have selective memory with Alex Smith. If it was 3rd & 5 or longer.....we were punting. With Jimmy G he converted 3rd downs like they were going out of style. At an elite level and the distance wasn't always short as was proven by stats when researched. Too many people have a narrative to support so they will never admit that Jimmy was elite at. Third downs (the money down) and quick release were his strengths. Alex never did that until he got to the Chiefs and even then if the check down wasn't there he was in trouble.

At least he will be gone for sure after this year so we don't have to witness the denial and false narratives anymore.

Preach brother!
Spittin the truth again just like in the Lance thread..

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
For those that argue Jimmy isn't consistent...

First 6 games:
2017: 7 TDs, 5 INTs
2019: 7 TDs, 6 INTs
2020: 7 TDs, 5 INTs

GUNSLINGER!

13-5 w-l ?

Kap was 14-6 at one point lol. Goes to show what little value small sample sizes hold.

Yup.

Would you rather not win at all until we get a HOFQB ?

So be like the Marvin Lewis Bengals?

4 yrs of 10+ wins with Dalton Goff 42-20 with McVay…going to a SB, but you know gonna win it all with him

No one answered the question

I'd rather lose til I have a franchise QB. I bet fans on Cincinnati are far more excited for their team now with Burrow than they ever were with Dalton.

Dude your absolutely crazy.
f**k that.
you think the fans of GB or the Saints or Wilson have a great time getting bounced every year?
Takes a whole team ESPECIALLY DEFENSE.
Most of the SB winners had top defenses.
You all want the rookie salary to be able to add players to be competitive but you all want that FQB. Lol

You're

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Yeah I know. People have selective memory with Alex Smith. If it was 3rd & 5 or longer.....we were punting. With Jimmy G he converted 3rd downs like they were going out of style. At an elite level and the distance wasn't always short as was proven by stats when researched. Too many people have a narrative to support so they will never admit that Jimmy was elite at. Third downs (the money down) and quick release were his strengths. Alex never did that until he got to the Chiefs and even then if the check down wasn't there he was in trouble.

The money "downs" aren't really 3rd downs,...they're Touchdowns. I'll take a guy that's scoring or a big threat on 1st & 2nd downs over a 3rd down captain 3rd down captain anytime. Heavily depending on 3rd downs sounds to me like a run-oriented offense or an offense where the ball doesn't really get pushed down the field much. 3rd downs aren't an end-all, be-all stat by any means and are really a marker of how well the offense is doing more than anything.

e.g.,...you have a million 3rd and longs, the % is going to be lower, regardless of how great a QB you are.

Originally posted by elguapo:
At least he will be gone for sure after this year so we don't have to witness the denial and false narratives anymore.

Speaking of false narratives,...just so I can keep track of the things he's won as the reasons for why it's a given that Jimmy G is a very good player here in 2021:

1) A 2017 5-Game Pre-Playoff Champion

2) A 2019 Recipient of the "3rd Down Dump Off" Lifetime Achievement Award (not sure why 1 year ='s lifetime)

3) A 2020 "Best Difference Maker Win Healthy" Honorary Gold medalist

And though all of these awards were not prestigious enough to have our coach NOT give away our next 2 1st round picks, they should be good enough to convince those here that he's a very good player for years to come?

LMAO
You still trying to dismiss the importance of 3rd down efficiency!!
You constantly trying to argue that 3rd down isn't the money down, totally shows your lack of football IQ.. but carry on

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
For those that argue Jimmy isn't consistent...

First 6 games:
2017: 7 TDs, 5 INTs
2019: 7 TDs, 6 INTs
2020: 7 TDs, 5 INTs

GUNSLINGER!

13-5 w-l ?

Kap was 14-6 at one point lol. Goes to show what little value small sample sizes hold.

Yup.

Would you rather not win at all until we get a HOFQB ?

So be like the Marvin Lewis Bengals?

4 yrs of 10+ wins with Dalton Goff 42-20 with McVay…going to a SB, but you know gonna win it all with him

No one answered the question

I'd rather lose til I have a franchise QB. I bet fans on Cincinnati are far more excited for their team now with Burrow than they ever were with Dalton.

Dude your absolutely crazy.
f**k that.
you think the fans of GB or the Saints or Wilson have a great time getting bounced every year?
Takes a whole team ESPECIALLY DEFENSE.
Most of the SB winners had top defenses.
You all want the rookie salary to be able to add players to be competitive but you all want that FQB. Lol

You're

Lol Love you Gore!!
only dude to man up and admit that his hate for jimmy is personal.
👍

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
For those that argue Jimmy isn't consistent...

First 6 games:
2017: 7 TDs, 5 INTs
2019: 7 TDs, 6 INTs
2020: 7 TDs, 5 INTs

GUNSLINGER!

13-5 w-l ?

Kap was 14-6 at one point lol. Goes to show what little value small sample sizes hold.

Yup.

Would you rather not win at all until we get a HOFQB ?

So be like the Marvin Lewis Bengals?

4 yrs of 10+ wins with Dalton Goff 42-20 with McVay…going to a SB, but you know gonna win it all with him

No one answered the question

I'd rather lose til I have a franchise QB. I bet fans on Cincinnati are far more excited for their team now with Burrow than they ever were with Dalton.

Dude your absolutely crazy.
f**k that.
you think the fans of GB or the Saints or Wilson have a great time getting bounced every year?
Takes a whole team ESPECIALLY DEFENSE.
Most of the SB winners had top defenses.
You all want the rookie salary to be able to add players to be competitive but you all want that FQB. Lol

You're

Lol Love you Gore!!
only dude to man up and admit that his hate for jimmy is personal.
👍

About time someone did

Jimmy is not a perfect player and his flaws are well documented here. That having been said dude has been a winner when on the field. People can say that the defense won the games but I would could just as easily say that the defense didn't win the games when any of the other qbs on the roster were playing.
In my not so humble opinion I think Jimmy has been our best QB since Garcia, and yes that includes Kap. Jimmy is my guy and will go on being my guy until Trey or anyone else on the roster wins the starting role.
GO NINERS!

Originally posted by Andra:
Jimmy is not a perfect player and his flaws are well documented here. That having been said dude has been a winner when on the field. People can say that the defense won the games but I would could just as easily say that the defense didn't win the games when any of the other qbs on the roster were playing.
In my not so humble opinion I think Jimmy has been our best QB since Garcia, and yes that includes Kap. Jimmy is my guy and will go on being my guy until Trey or anyone else on the roster wins the starting role.
GO NINERS!

Good post and completely agree.

Looking forward to seeing this team's QB arsenal going into the pre and regular season. Glad it's such a better group this year as, you know, it kind of is the most important position in all of sports!

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
i see but lets stay grounded on this "pay cut scenario". The 49ers are not going to cut him this season. The FO needs to make it worth his while to accept a pay cut. you think he's just gonna take a pay cut when he doesn't need to ?

If they did plan on making him take a pay cut, all this wating didn't help them with the saved money (is my point on why they should have squared this up awhile back). plus, we're actively trying to resign Warner without anything to do with Jimmy's pay right now.

Worth his while? He's not really in a position to say make it worth his while…the fact that he's gonna be the highest paid "backup" still gets to compete to start and gets to make his own path in 2022 is making it worth his while imo.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
what? i'm sure you would be excited to possibly work two years and earn only 1 years pay of what you used to make

like your Foles comparison, you don;t know if you're going to make as much or more as your current contract, i guess that would be more reason to accept less pay ?

i would do it if i can get some guranteed money in 2022 and some but not a lot in 2023

I wouldn't be excited if the other option was we were gonna cut you because you were gonna be "the man" all yr.

lol GTD money in next yr, he literally doesn't have leverage in this situation in mid July. His services aren't exactly on high demand, if they were he would have been moved.