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Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
Calm down. You missed the part where I said after starting EVERY GAME? Kap only started the 2nd half of 2012. He got exposed once NFL teams got film on him the next season
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
Calm down. You missed the part where I said after starting EVERY GAME? Kap only started the 2nd half of 2012. He got exposed once NFL teams got film on him the next season
Kap actually did MORE then Jimmy he went to a Super AND a NFCC. He actually played football at one point.
Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
Wait so Jimmy didn't start those playoff games in 2019? Who knew
Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
I hope Jimmy G ends up in the 49ers HOF or being honored by the team in some way, just to piss off half the users on here
Imagine how more angry some would be if it was Kap, I rather see that 😂
Nope. Kap was a flash in the pan in 2012 and nothing more, got exposed in the Seahawks & Colts games in 2013
Kap started off 14-6...hmm what other QB had a similar record currently? Goes to show you shouldn't crown QBs that fast.
And bad or not, Kap has had by far the best year as a Niner since Young. What he did in those playoffs was crazy good. But ya, he got figured out quickly. Still, saying Jimmy had a better year is just Jimmy homerism to the max.
Originally posted by random49er:Causation/Correlation. 3rd down success correlates, but it his horrible as a predictor of continuation of success. 3rd down stats from game to game and season to season can be all over the place. So it is more of a hanger-on stat than something independently telling the story unlike, say, passer rating, that strongly predicts future 3rd down percentage.
Tbh more numbers are probably beyond your scope, so I won't introduce them further to you, given how you can continue asking the same "yes or no" questions to posters that have answered you repeatedly.
I will quote other instances, however.
The Tennessee Titans ended the 2013 season ranked 8th in the NFL in fact, with a 3rd down conversion rate of 41.41%, trailing Denver, who's way at the top at No.1, by 4%. Others in the top range? San Diego, New Orleans, and Detroit. Makes sense, right? Those teams had great offenses this past season.
Hold on though. The top ranking of 3rd down conversion % also include also Atlanta, Carolina, and yes, Tennessee. Where did those teams rank in overall offense? 14th, 26th, and 22nd, respectively, far from the NFL's elite. Philadelphia, who boasted the 2nd most prolific offense of the 2013 season, was way down at 14th in 3rd down conversion %.
So you can see that while 3rd down completion percentage can be indicative of a larger picture of offensive success, it is definitely not a cornerstone statistic to be used when discussing and determining the best offenses in the NFL.
The context of the discussion has consistently been "how good player x is RIGHT NOW,".....yet, hell, 3rd down percentages swing wildly from 1 season to the next, let alone 2 years ago. It's just absolutely horrible to try to use independently to tell us how good of a player someone is.
Toss it out with the trash for predicting anything.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
Wait so Jimmy didn't start those playoff games in 2019? Who knew
Kap started for a Super bowl team and a NFCC team. That's a fact.
Originally posted by random49er:Causation/Correlation. 3rd down success correlates, but it his horrible as a predictor of continuation of success. 3rd down stats from game to game and season to season can be all over the place. So it is more of a hanger-on stat than something independently telling the story unlike, say, passer rating, that strongly predicts future 3rd down percentage.
Tbh more numbers are probably beyond your scope, so I won't introduce them further to you, given how you can continue asking the same "yes or no" questions to posters that have answered you repeatedly.
I will quote other instances, however.
The Tennessee Titans ended the 2013 season ranked 8th in the NFL in fact, with a 3rd down conversion rate of 41.41%, trailing Denver, who's way at the top at No.1, by 4%. Others in the top range? San Diego, New Orleans, and Detroit. Makes sense, right? Those teams had great offenses this past season.
Hold on though. The top ranking of 3rd down conversion % also include also Atlanta, Carolina, and yes, Tennessee. Where did those teams rank in overall offense? 14th, 26th, and 22nd, respectively, far from the NFL's elite. Philadelphia, who boasted the 2nd most prolific offense of the 2013 season, was way down at 14th in 3rd down conversion %.
So you can see that while 3rd down completion percentage can be indicative of a larger picture of offensive success, it is definitely not a cornerstone statistic to be used when discussing and determining the best offenses in the NFL.
The context of the discussion has consistently been "how good player x is RIGHT NOW,".....yet, hell, 3rd down percentages swing wildly from 1 season to the next, let alone 2 years ago. It's just absolutely horrible to try to use independently to tell us how good of a player someone is.
Toss it out with the trash for predicting anything.
Originally posted by NYniner85:Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:i've taken feelings out of this.. but you're willing to take a pay cut for nothing to prove your point
As for money..what has been done is done. We paid Jimmy.
This is not Madden football you can't just get rid of players with no effect. The team loves jimmy. Chemistry can not be overpaid and it cannot be discounted
lol you asked how I would FEEL about it if my boss asked me to take less money...how is that taking feelings out of this? That's the opposite of what you're saying you're doing...same when talking about the psyche of a locker room. You don't pay someone $26M because of feelings. Football players know this is a business, this isn't summer camp. It's a job.
what was done is done, you don't have to continue to be stupid with money just because.
Yeah you're right the NFL doesn't just get rid of football players everPaying Jimmy $26M just to watch him get hurt again is stupid business. Paying Jimmy $26M knowing you're gonna start someone else at some point this year is stupid business...players take pay cuts all the time. Jimmy shouldn't be any different...$12M is still a s**t ton of money (12th overall at his position which is high end proper value for him). He get's to be a FA, compete to start on a SB roster, and he wouldn't find that type of cash on the open market right now. period.
Originally posted by TheGore49er:Umm Kap went to a SB and dominated that year. The media couldn't stop talking about how great Kap was that year. Wth are you talking about?
Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
Jimmy had the best year by a Niners QB since Jeff Garcia in 2000. The numbers are on the Internet for everyone to see, can't make this up. Kap was RGIII with a badass defense and HOF RB
Originally posted by NYniner85:Originally posted by TheWooLick:And the Rams record with him starting is 42-27.
3rd down conversion rates correlate to winning.
So you guys are wondering if first downs in general are important? LOL
Derp I never said 3rd downs don't correlate to winning...I swear you just makeup s**t in your head and argue for the sake of arguing.
I was asking what random's post was referring too...I assumed it was saying that 1st down is ALSO very important to winning % as well...if you're starting off behind the chains and end up constantly in 3rd and long....I think it's safe to assume your 3rd down conversion % wouldn't be as high? Rocket science I know.
Yeah Goff won a ton of games and was constantly top 10 in 3rd down conversation % YET people tell me he blows or is avg? Sound familiar?
Matt Stafford who you can't seem to give any credit to was 9th overall this yr. G. Minshew was 5th overall. M. Ryan 7th etc...
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
So many words to say nothing.
Look at 3rd down conversion rates, then check the standings for that year.
Why would he do that?
Throwing away $14 million is dumb.
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
I don't recall anyone saying Goff sucked.
Being 10th is a lot different than being 1st.
Originally posted by NYniner85:the issue is our fan base is so jaded with trash QB play for two decades that when avg starting QB play comes in we think it's f**king awesome
Originally posted by NYniner85:Originally posted by TheWooLick:So many words to say nothing.
Look at 3rd down conversion rates, then check the standings for that year.
Why would he do that?
Throwing away $14 million is dumb.
Why do what? He doesn't have a choice end of the day…he has no GTD cash left. There isn't a single team that would pay him that much money right now.
I have no idea why a SF fans are so up in arms to ask Jimmy to take a pay cut. He's not gonna be here after this season (or even less than that). He's already made a ton of money and got paid after only 5 games. He's not the future, he's a bridge QB and this team has done whatever they can this off season to move on from him.
