Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Goff, Leading the league over the past two years in turnovers which includes interceptions and fumbles is laughable on such a stacked and loaded offense and great defense. As everyone that knows about football understands, TURNOVERS is the number one determining factor of wins and losses in this league, nothing else is close. Goff was probably the only reason the Rams lost so many games as they did. Where as Jimmy's injuries was probably the biggest determining factor of how the Niners lost their games not his play on the field when healthy. That is the main difference between these two quarterbacks and it's a big one. Let's not pretend that isn't the most important factor in all of football and Goff was the WORST at it. No sugarcoating it, No justifying it, no apologies for it, no spinning it. It's plain as day

Excellent post, elguapo. What you say re: TOs as a main difference between Garoppolo and Goff...100% right on the money and it is a big difference! And for Goff to put up all those TOs up on a loaded offense as you mention...

It's actually not an excellent post at all. When NY brought up INT%, it was ignored and the total turnover stat was brought up to deflect. Of course Goff had way more turnovers the last 2 years than Jimmy did. He literally played 2 full seasons and Jimmy did not.

Goff
2019: 16 INT, 10 fumbles
2020 (15 games): 13 INT, 7 fumbles

Jimmy
2019: 13 INT, 10 fumbles
2020 (6 games): 5 INT, 2 fumbles

Average
Goff: 0.94 INT/gm, 0.55 fumbles/gm
Jimmy: 0.82 INT/gm, 0.55 fumbles/gm

It's absolutely mind blowing how someone can criticize a QB so much for losing games with turnovers, when he throws 0.12 interceptions per game more than the QB he is praising. Not to mention this is putting aside the attempts, which would skew these statistics even more in favor of the guy who is being criticized. Just ridiculous.

Using total turnovers when one QB played 31 games and the other played 22 is disingenuous af.

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Excellent post, elguapo. What you say re: TOs as a main difference between Garoppolo and Goff...100% right on the money and it is a big difference! And for Goff to put up all those TOs up on a loaded offense as you mention...

I thought it was common sense but I guess not. We are forgetting to mention the Rams were helpless with Goff under center until McVay arrived. One of the worst qbs performance wise in the nfl. Jimmy was surgical on the Patriots and their offense wasn't elite either. I believe the few starts he had he didn't even have Gronk. Jimmy G on a bad roster when he arrived was surgical with nobody at wr or rb let alone a healthy OL. There D was bad as well and he didn't look like a bust. Not even in the same stratosphere. Anyways, I need the Joe Pesci GIF from My cousin Vinny....."done with this guy" for Goffs ass.

I'm sure if Jimmy is healthy and has a somewhat healthy team around him he will perform like a solid, winning qb until Trey takes over

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
It's actually not an excellent post at all. When NY brought up INT%, it was ignored and the total turnover stat was brought up to deflect. Of course Goff had way more turnovers the last 2 years than Jimmy did. He literally played 2 full seasons and Jimmy did not.

Goff
2019: 16 INT, 10 fumbles
2020 (15 games): 13 INT, 7 fumbles

Jimmy
2019: 13 INT, 10 fumbles
2020 (6 games): 5 INT, 2 fumbles

Average
Goff: 0.94 INT/gm, 0.55 fumbles/gm
Jimmy: 0.82 INT/gm, 0.55 fumbles/gm

It's absolutely mind blowing how someone can criticize a QB so much for losing games with turnovers, when he throws 0.12 interceptions per game more than the QB he is praising. Not to mention this is putting aside the attempts, which would skew these statistics even more in favor of the guy who is being criticized. Just ridiculous.

Using total turnovers when one QB played 31 games and the other played 22 is disingenuous af.

Nope. Nice try though. You need to read and comprehend my response. Don't assume or extrapolate bc you know what they say. What's disingenuous af is you and others also ignoring not only the discrepancy in talent both qbs had but also the team health they had around them. Not even CLOSE. Goff was atrocious before McVay, Jimmy was excellent on a Patriots offense that was nowhere near great. I wouldn't expect you to consider that. I wish I had blinders on like some people had

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
It's actually not an excellent post at all. When NY brought up INT%, it was ignored and the total turnover stat was brought up to deflect. Of course Goff had way more turnovers the last 2 years than Jimmy did. He literally played 2 full seasons and Jimmy did not.

Goff
2019: 16 INT, 10 fumbles
2020 (15 games): 13 INT, 7 fumbles

Jimmy
2019: 13 INT, 10 fumbles
2020 (6 games): 5 INT, 2 fumbles

Average
Goff: 0.94 INT/gm, 0.55 fumbles/gm
Jimmy: 0.82 INT/gm, 0.55 fumbles/gm

It's absolutely mind blowing how someone can criticize a QB so much for losing games with turnovers, when he throws 0.12 interceptions per game more than the QB he is praising. Not to mention this is putting aside the attempts, which would skew these statistics even more in favor of the guy who is being criticized. Just ridiculous.

Using total turnovers when one QB played 31 games and the other played 22 is disingenuous af.

Nope. Nice try though. You need to read and comprehend my response. Don't assume or extrapolate bc you know what they say. What's disingenuous af is you and others also ignoring not only the discrepancy in talent both qbs had but also the team health they had around them. Not even CLOSE. Goff was atrocious before McVay, Jimmy was excellent on a Patriots offense that was nowhere near great. I wouldn't expect you to consider that. I wish I had blinders on like some people had

My post was 100% statistic based. There were no assumptions, extrapolating, or anything you are claiming. I was doing nothing other than simply listing turnovers for the last 2 seasons (the time frame that you yourself set). Your reply is nothing but storytelling and narratives and did nothing to address the actual stats that I listed.....which disprove your original point about Goffs turnovers what sets him and Jimmy apart. I'm going to sleep.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
My post was 100% statistic based. There were no assumptions, extrapolating, or anything you are claiming. I was doing nothing other than simply listing turnovers for the last 2 seasons (the time frame that you yourself set). Your reply is nothing but storytelling and narratives and did nothing to address the actual stats that I listed.....which disprove your original point about Goffs turnovers what sets him and Jimmy apart. I'm going to sleep.

Just like you ignored the rest of my post how poorly Goff played and his own coach even called him out. You disregarded team health and supporting cast. You do realize that when an offense is hammered with injuries qbs tend to not do as well. I used that in my argument when comparing the qbs similar turnover rate and showed reason why they were even close. But then again that's common sense. Way to provide some stats WITHOUT ANY CONTEXT whatsoever.

Stats are for losers, especially without context. Here's a prime example. Last year Tom Brady had his worst year EVER td% and 3rd worst year ever in completion %, and many categories were indicative of a decline. A lot of people were saying he's finally going downhill. What they didn't realize or care to is his OL wasn't protecting him and he didn't have weapons at his disposal due to the lack of talent and injuries. That's exactly why you have to have context. But hey, sometimes ignorance is bliss and needed to support a failing argument.

Now that's disingenuous af. As Jim Rome would say.....Good night now

Originally posted by elguapo:
Just like you ignored the rest of my post how poorly Goff played and his own coach even called him out. You disregarded team health and supporting cast. You do realize that when an offense is hammered with injuries qbs tend to not do as well. But then again that's common sense. Way to provide some stats WITHOUT ANY CONTEXT whatsoever. Then again, you would have no argument. Now that's disingenuous af. As Jim Rome would say.....Good night now

Injuries again, huh? If it's not his own injuries we excuse him from,...it's when other players are injured that we excuse his play from as well. This is even after you talked about how phenomenal he was while lacking talent with the Patriots. The talent he has around him only matters out of convenience.

Originally posted by random49er:
Injuries again, huh? If it's not his own injuries we excuse him from,...it's when other players are injured that we excuse his play from as well. This is even after you talked about how phenomenal he was while lacking talent with the Patriots. The talent he has around him only matters out of convenience.

Not at all, it just shows he CAN do it but not all the time. Just like any solid or great Qb. Goff is not in that category, never could. He was horrendous his first year and the way he turned over the ball the last 2 years is ABSOLUTELY INEXCUSABLE, with a healthy and dominant team. Don't take my word for it, check out McVay's words and actions. Jimmy was never that embarrassing and awful. It took Jimmy with a high ankle sprain and a s**t ton of injuries to even look like Goff. Now that's sad.

Anyways, I proved my point. I love that McVay saw the same and I even felt bad for rams fans. Watching Goff regress and turn the ball over like it's Christmas was the reason our backups beat them twice. I'm grateful for you Goff....and of course for saying that you'd bang McVays girl

Originally posted by K1ngAsD3rek:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
So he would do it to avoid getting cut?

I am not up in arms, I am just saying it would be dumb for him to do it b3csue they aren't going to cut him.

If Lance looks legit in TC (which Jimmy would see this as well) why wouldn't he? Again he has no leverage. None

If they release Jimmy after camp how much would he get paid? If if makes financial sense to JG I could see it.
That would be a ballsy move by Kyle and it would be a sign of Trey being ready which would be awesome.

And if Trey gets injured we're right back at square one. We're keeping Jimmy.

If…Jimmy would agree to a pay cut, he really doesn't have an option there.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
If they release Jimmy after camp how much would he get paid? If if makes financial sense to JG I could see it.
That would be a ballsy move by Kyle and it would be a sign of Trey being ready which would be awesome.

There isn't a team right now that's gonna pay him $12M for one yr of play…that's the point. It's not about making sense for him right now. He's one of the highest paid football players in the league and has absolutely no business being. Also if Jimmy wants a new contract and freedom of free agency in 2022 he would do this.

Originally posted by gold49digger:
No matter what you guys think of him, we're all rooting for his best season yet!!

Absolutely

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by gold49digger:
No matter what you guys think of him, we're all rooting for his best season yet!!

I'm not so sure about that. That would mean Trey would have to sit all season. And some have stated repeatedly that they are against that.

I want whomever the QB to ball out…thinking Lance's best way to develop is by playing is a totally different topic. You don't have to hate on and like the other, I have no idea why people think like this

Originally posted by elguapo:
Your assuming yet again Jimmy would have more turnovers which in not a correct assumption. It depends on factors like wether we play a great defensive opponent and if we have the lead which we usually did we are running the ball, the flow of the games, our offensive line protection from game to game and so on. What a novel idea? Guess you missed that whole concept. More attempts don't always equate to that same rate of turnovers. Oh my so many factors determine that. Also, Jimmy was playing with a less talented and less healthy team. You can't extrapolate and assume Jimmy would have more turnovers at that rate. What we DO KNOW FOR SURE is Goff had a better and healthier team around him since Jimmy G got to SF and was embarrassing bad the last 2 years with his turnovers. Like Christmas time for Defenses. Kinlaw says hi too Jimmy was not an embarrassment like Goff was the last 2 years with those TO's. He lost games and his own coach was pissed. Check some postgame comments by McVay, totally called out Goff for good reason. Also, we have seen Goff play like an absolute bust before McVay and Jimmy played (and WON) so much better with a very average team in 2017. Jimmy was never that horrible. I know it's hard for you to admit but it's cool.

Dude it's a massively flawed argument on your part because one actually played football and threw the ball WAY more. It's logical to assume TOs happen. Same with every thing else. Goff has 98TD the past 4 yrs, Jimmy 46 (duh he played more )

I'm not saying Goff is great, I'm saying his situation and who he is as a QB is damn similar to Jimmy.

INT% gives you a clearer picture and Jimmy blows there. His only full season he had 10 fumbles all the same. You can not objective & tell me Jimmy doesn't turn the ball over because he does.

Goff had injured lineman, lost receivers, lost top end RBs all the same. Jimmy wasn't subject to some bad team like ya'll are trying to say….It's straw man arguments all over the place with Jimmy.

I know it's hard for 49er fans to admit it but it's the truth overall.

Goff has had the same #1 WR fully healthy for 3 straight seasons and 4 seasons together total. That helps a bit.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by gold49digger:
No matter what you guys think of him, we're all rooting for his best season yet!!

Absolutely

Agree.

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Tell me how else the whole ankle situation became a thing, speaking in this thread, that's what I originally commented on? People question the severity of it, myself included and I think even the coaching staff questioned it towards the end of the season when he was cleared to play and didn't. Others battled back from injuries as well and even though we "had nothing to play for" they still did for their teammates.

Where was it ever said he was cleared to play the final three weeks of the season? These are the kinds of things that lead to 'hater' labels. Making up their own news to justify speaking ill of a player.