Originally posted by elguapo:
Nah dude your arguments are not only flawed but completely biased. Listing your opinions and trying to pass them off as facts while at the same time trying to equate Jimmy to Goff is laughable. Saying Goff has had injuries just the same???? Flat out lie. Sorry you just can't admit that your argument is horrible and you're assuming and extrapolating turnovers instead of just admitting that Goff was the worst quarterback the last two years at turning the ball over. Done! You cannot assume he would have turnovers at that same rate especially with a healthier team and a better team at that going forward. That is just absolutely ridiculous. Nobody last year said baker Mayfield or Tom Brady would have the same season they had in 2019 as they did in 2020 and neither did. Such a bad argument. You cannot assume the turnovers would stay the same because there are too many variables like the teams they play against or the game flow for their team getting healthy or getting better players the following year or the following games. Unbelievable.
It's not hard to admit it. It's OK to live in denial but to go this far and not admit it is very stubborn imo. I know you've been called out by many people here and it seems the more and more you press on this issue the more biased you look. You're trying to push your agenda which is fine because nobody's saying Jimmy is great but nobody's also saying he is horrible. Horrible like Jared Goff has been turning the ball over and costing his team dearly.
The fact that you are even implying and defending such a weak and flawed argument saying Goff has dealt with even close to the same injuries as Jimmy as well as the overall team health is a straight up fabrication. The Rams have IN FACT been way healthier in the past couple years than the 49ers. Just admit it man. It's not that hard, the whole world knows it, the Rams have been one of the healthiest teams and the Niners haven't. That affected Jimmy Garoppolo a lot more than Jared Goff however Goff has done worse with a much better and healthier team around him. Admit that. The niners haven't been able to field their talent due to the myriad of injuries which does in fact effect performance.
Also, we have seen that after Jimmy turns the ball over he becomes very surgical and super efficient. Something Jared Goff has rarely ever done. He collapses, he buckles under pressure and was a laughing stock with his coach throwing him under the bus which was very deserving. Can you at least admit that?
Dude you're cherry picking a stat and literally disregarding the structure of how that data comes about. I can't take the TO thing serious when you can't even accept how the data comes about & not even looking at INT % which does factor passing attempts. When Jimmy has ONE full season of data and was fumbling the ball all over the place that's just as much a problem. When he's throwing INTs at a HIGHER rate (his whole career) all while being bottom of the league in passing attempts and one of the lowest air yard numbers in the freaking league, that's a f**king issue dude! There should be no excuse or BS straw man argument about that, It's a problem plain and simple.
Has Goff not lost a MVP caliber RB? Did he not lose his #1 WR to an ACL? Who the hell was his TEs? At one point in 2019 every single offensive linemen was hurt
The 'next' for the LA Rams was the 2019 performance of a badly outgunned, battered, and bruised offensive line. In 2019, the Rams offensive line fell off a cliff, landing as the 31st-ranked offensive line in the NFL. Injuries decimated the ranks, with all five starters getting either bench time due to injury, or getting post-season surgery to clean up nagging ailments. Some players even faced both. That plunge from greatness to anonymity did not sit well with the players but was not easily forgotten by the fans
They also lost their starting center in Josh Sullivan AND their stud LG in Rodger Saffold (got paid to play for Titans). Look if you just don't pay attention to other teams and what they deal with too, just say that. Would make way more sense.
You're making it way too personal and looking at it as a 49er fan. You grab one meaningless stat and totally disregard how that data comes about and poo poo something like INT % if you can't agree that a QB that
lead the league in passing attempts MIGHT have more total TOs then a guy that was bottom of the league in passing attempts, well then this convo is done.
It's a pointless debate, you either think they're similar QBs that have similar skill sets and have been put in similar situations OR you don't...throwing out some bogus thing like fumbles to backup a take is weak at most.
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Jul 22, 2021 at 6:22 AM ]
so many factors determine that. Also, Jimmy was playing with a less talented and less healthy team. You can't extrapolate and assume Jimmy would have more turnovers at that rate. What we DO KNOW FOR SURE is Goff had a better and healthier team around him since Jimmy G got to SF and was embarrassing bad the last 2 years with his turnovers. Like Christmas time for Defenses. Kinlaw says hi too 
Jimmy was not an embarrassment like Goff was the last 2 years with those TO's. He lost games and his own coach was pissed. Check some postgame comments by McVay, totally called out Goff for good reason. Also, we have seen Goff play like an absolute bust before McVay and Jimmy played (and WON) so much better with a very average team in 2017. Jimmy was never that horrible. I know it's hard for you to admit but it's cool.
my debate has been more about what's best for the team long-term and that there wouldn't be that much of a difference between playing Jimmy or Lance this yr. BUT that's just an opinion
