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Originally posted by a49erfan77:
He's never had Kittle for more than 8 games at a time. And I did type Kittle at the very top of that post. Again, the point is about having the same players to throw to consistently.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
He's never had Kittle for more than 8 games at a time. And I did type Kittle at the very top of that post. Again, the point is about having the same players to throw to consistently.
And Kittle had Jimmy for only 8 games at one time, I believe he broke the TE record the same year Jimmy tore his ACL, correct?
Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
When healthy he's a top 10-15 QB I'd put in in the same category as a Dereck Carr, Tony Romo, Eli Manning, etc. that's more than enough for a team to compete for Super Bowls every year
And kyle and Co. disagree
On the contrary,they don't.
Troll
k Mr. He cant throw a pass over 15 yards
imagine being called a troll for defending the starting QB on a teams fan forum
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
2017: 5 starts with Louis Murphy and Marquise Goodwin and Celek at TE (Kittle played 40% or fewer OFF snaps in 3 games, and no more than 56% over the final two games).
2018: 3 starts
Goodwin/Garcon for 1st and 3rd
Pettis/Garcon for 2nd.
2019: 16 starts
Goodwin/Deebo for 1st and 2nd
Goodwin/Pettis for 3rd through 6th
Deebo/Sanders for 7th through 16th
2020: 6 starts
Pettis/Bourne for 1st
Aiyuk/Bourne for 2nd
Aiyuk/Deebo for 3rd through 5th
Aiyuk/Bourne for 6th
Hard to be better than average with a revolving door of WRs. That's all I'm saying when comparing him to Goff.
2017 and 2018 are irrelevant in terms of this debate. Guapo set the time frame at the last two years, and that's what we were discussing.
I find it convenient that you never typed the word Kittle, who for all intents and purposes is our #1 weapon.
Oh yeah.......Kittle > Woods
He's never had Kittle for more than 8 games at a time. And I did type Kittle at the very top of that post. Again, the point is about having the same players to throw to consistently.
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
He's never had Kittle for more than 8 games at a time. And I did type Kittle at the very top of that post. Again, the point is about having the same players to throw to consistently.
And Kittle had Jimmy for only 8 games at one time, I believe he broke the TE record the same year Jimmy tore his ACL, correct?
He's the best TE in the game. What does that have to do with it?
Originally posted by NYniner85:Yes you can throw any QB out there, but what's more important stats or wins..
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
He's never had Kittle for more than 8 games at a time. And I did type Kittle at the very top of that post. Again, the point is about having the same players to throw to consistently.
And Kittle had Jimmy for only 8 games at one time, I believe he broke the TE record the same year Jimmy tore his ACL, correct?
He's the best TE in the game. What does that have to do with it?
Where I'm going with that is while Kittle is a stud muffin…shanny creates plays to get easy throws for his QBs, even for the great Nick Mullens put up yards. He can get Joe blow open. We all saw Richie james vs the packers this yr.
McVay is very similar imo
Originally posted by elguapo:
Just like you ignored the rest of my post how poorly Goff played and his own coach even called him out. You disregarded team health and supporting cast. You do realize that when an offense is hammered with injuries qbs tend to not do as well. I used that in my argument when comparing the qbs similar turnover rate and showed reason why they were even close. But then again that's common sense. Way to provide some stats WITHOUT ANY CONTEXT whatsoever.
Stats are for losers, especially without context. Here's a prime example. Last year Tom Brady had his worst year EVER td% and 3rd worst year ever in completion %, and many categories were indicative of a decline. A lot of people were saying he's finally going downhill. What they didn't realize or care to is his OL wasn't protecting him and he didn't have weapons at his disposal due to the lack of talent and injuries. That's exactly why you have to have context. But hey, sometimes ignorance is bliss and needed to support a failing argument.
Now that's disingenuous af. As Jim Rome would say.....Good night now
Originally posted by elguapo:
Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Excellent post, elguapo. What you say re: TOs as a main difference between Garoppolo and Goff...100% right on the money and it is a big difference! And for Goff to put up all those TOs up on a loaded offense as you mention...
I thought it was common sense but I guess not. We are forgetting to mention the Rams were helpless with Goff under center until McVay arrived. One of the worst qbs performance wise in the nfl. Jimmy was surgical on the Patriots and their offense wasn't elite either. I believe the few starts he had he didn't even have Gronk. Jimmy G on a bad roster when he arrived was surgical with nobody at wr or rb let alone a healthy OL. There D was bad as well and he didn't look like a bust. Not even in the same stratosphere. Anyways, I need the Joe Pesci GIF from My cousin Vinny....."done with this guy" for Goffs ass.
I'm sure if Jimmy is healthy and has a somewhat healthy team around him he will perform like a solid, winning qb until Trey takes over
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
He's never had Kittle for more than 8 games at a time. And I did type Kittle at the very top of that post. Again, the point is about having the same players to throw to consistently.
And Kittle had Jimmy for only 8 games at one time, I believe he broke the TE record the same year Jimmy tore his ACL, correct?
He's the best TE in the game. What does that have to do with it?
Where I'm going with that is while Kittle is a stud muffin…shanny creates plays to get easy throws for his QBs, even for the great Nick Mullens put up yards. He can get Joe blow open. We all saw Richie james vs the packers this yr.
McVay is very similar imo
Originally posted by NYniner85:
the issue is our fan base is so jaded with trash QB play for two decades that when avg starting QB play comes in we think it's f**king awesome
Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
Nah NY the issue with our fanbase is some fans think they know it all and wouldn't consider anyone else's point other than theirs. You know, like taking the good with the bad kind of thingy.
And some fans including myself was so jaded with trash QB play for two decades that when an ABOVE average starting QB play comes in and HELPED the team transition to a winning culture, we appreciate that s**t. KS is a genius of a play caller and a great coach but the Niners were still a laughing stock team until Jimmy G showed up and HELPED KS changed that. Everyone and their momma knew HE HAS LIMITATIONS and needed an upgrade one way or the other which they did this offseason, it's what good teams do, but we still appreciate what Jimmy G did to help this organization transition from being the bottom of the barrel to at least midrange at this point. Now we're hoping and banking on Lance to take us to the next level, the top level but until then Jimmy is still on the roster and still f**king awesome
P.S: My bad had to sprinkle a little 9moon capitalized post bc I didn't want some to skip those main words and think I'm calling Jimmy G elite or he did it all by himself.
Originally posted by SkyZer0:
lol
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NYniner85:Yes you can throw any QB out there, but what's more important stats or wins..
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
He's never had Kittle for more than 8 games at a time. And I did type Kittle at the very top of that post. Again, the point is about having the same players to throw to consistently.
And Kittle had Jimmy for only 8 games at one time, I believe he broke the TE record the same year Jimmy tore his ACL, correct?
He's the best TE in the game. What does that have to do with it?
Where I'm going with that is while Kittle is a stud muffin…shanny creates plays to get easy throws for his QBs, even for the great Nick Mullens put up yards. He can get Joe blow open. We all saw Richie james vs the packers this yr.
McVay is very similar imo
Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
the issue is our fan base is so jaded with trash QB play for two decades that when avg starting QB play comes in we think it's f**king awesome
Nah NY the issue with our fanbase is some fans think they know it all and wouldn't consider anyone else's point other than theirs. You know, like taking the good with the bad kind of thingy.
And some fans including myself was so jaded with trash QB play for two decades that when an ABOVE average starting QB play comes in and HELPED the team transition to a winning culture, we appreciate that s**t. KS is a genius of a play caller and a great coach but the Niners were still a laughing stock team until Jimmy G showed up and HELPED KS changed that. Everyone and their momma knew HE HAS LIMITATIONS and needed an upgrade one way or the other which they did this offseason, it's what good teams do, but we still appreciate what Jimmy G did to help this organization transition from being the bottom of the barrel to at least midrange at this point. Now we're hoping and banking on Lance to take us to the next level, the top level but until then Jimmy is still on the roster and still f**king awesome
P.S: My bad had to sprinkle a little 9moon capitalized post bc I didn't want some to skip those main words and think I'm calling Jimmy G elite or he did it all by himself.
