Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
He's never had Kittle for more than 8 games at a time. And I did type Kittle at the very top of that post. Again, the point is about having the same players to throw to consistently.

And Kittle had Jimmy for only 8 games at one time, I believe he broke the TE record the same year Jimmy tore his ACL, correct?

He's the best TE in the game. What does that have to do with it?

Where I'm going with that is while Kittle is a stud muffin…shanny creates plays to get easy throws for his QBs, even for the great Nick Mullens put up yards. He can get Joe blow open. We all saw Richie james vs the packers this yr.

McVay is very similar imo

Yes you can throw any QB out there, but what's more important stats or wins..

Comparing players = Stats. Comparing teamsv= Wins. 2 very simple equations.

what's more important to you, stats or wins?

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Jimmy had Kittle for 17/19 games in 2019. The number of games in a row is not that relevant when he played almost every game.

But injuries. This is the key to truly recognizing the greatness of Jimmy. Gotta factor in every single injury, whether it's on the injury report or rumored.

We are guaranteed to not have any injuries this year, so he will be great and never relinquish the job to The Kid.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
He's never had Kittle for more than 8 games at a time. And I did type Kittle at the very top of that post. Again, the point is about having the same players to throw to consistently.

And Kittle had Jimmy for only 8 games at one time, I believe he broke the TE record the same year Jimmy tore his ACL, correct?

He's the best TE in the game. What does that have to do with it?

Where I'm going with that is while Kittle is a stud muffin…shanny creates plays to get easy throws for his QBs, even for the great Nick Mullens put up yards. He can get Joe blow open. We all saw Richie james vs the packers this yr.

McVay is very similar imo

Yes you can throw any QB out there, but what's more important stats or wins..

Comparing players = Stats. Comparing teamsv= Wins. 2 very simple equations.

The "he wins 75%" of his games played argument is so tired.

You would think a QB with such a ridiculous winning percentage would have had a huge market for him this past offseason. But the opposite happened. No one was interested in spending a day 1 pick to get him. There might not even have been a market for a day 2 pick but we don't know that for sure.

Meanwhile, s**tty losing record Matt Stafford goes for a 1.
Deshaun Watson and his s**tty record we're probably going to go for multiple 1s.

So why wouldn't a QB with such a highly touted win percentage garner any day 1 picks?

You can be critical of a player without spewing out s**t takes to support your criticism. (Not directed at any particular poster, by the way)

It's one thing to say "Jimmy is lacking in pocket presence and mobility."
It's another to say "Jimmy is a f**king statue that has never avoided a sack in his life!."

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
the issue is our fan base is so jaded with trash QB play for two decades that when avg starting QB play comes in we think it's f**king awesome

Nah NY the issue with our fanbase is some fans think they know it all and wouldn't consider anyone else's point other than theirs. You know, like taking the good with the bad kind of thingy.

And some fans including myself was so jaded with trash QB play for two decades that when an ABOVE average starting QB play comes in and HELPED the team transition to a winning culture, we appreciate that s**t. KS is a genius of a play caller and a great coach but the Niners were still a laughing stock team until Jimmy G showed up and HELPED KS changed that. Everyone and their momma knew HE HAS LIMITATIONS and needed an upgrade one way or the other which they did this offseason, it's what good teams do, but we still appreciate what Jimmy G did to help this organization transition from being the bottom of the barrel to at least midrange at this point. Now we're hoping and banking on Lance to take us to the next level, the top level but until then Jimmy is still on the roster and still f**king awesome

P.S: My bad had to sprinkle a little 9moon capitalized post bc I didn't want some to skip those main words and think I'm calling Jimmy G elite or he did it all by himself.

Just wondering why y'all think NY doesn't appreciate what Jimmy did? You can appreciate 2019 but also be critical.

Yeah the rhetoric is crazy. If they were here for that season they'd see that NY was one of Jimmy's main supporters. He'd go to bat like hell for him as the season closed.

The main thing (I think) is that many still head over heels for Jimmy just can't discern the difference between average-to-good players and great players. You aren't a great player after only 1 or 2 good years!! (Btw,...Jimmy doesn't even have 2)

Good & average players can have great seasons. They then go back to being average more times than not.

Great players,...you can project what they'll still do a year or two later. Jimmy's never been great,...not even close to it. Yet he's defended here like we can't consider him a marginal or average player. Well sorry, but he is in the world of QBs. PFF has him like 22,...and many others would say the same. In the world of NFL QBs, that's average.

He can go 28/29 for 300 yards, 3 TDs, and no INTs in game one this season and it still doesn't make him a great player. Unless he looks improved fundamentally, I'd still expect what I've seen from in the past regarding his shortcomings.

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
He's never had Kittle for more than 8 games at a time. And I did type Kittle at the very top of that post. Again, the point is about having the same players to throw to consistently.

And Kittle had Jimmy for only 8 games at one time, I believe he broke the TE record the same year Jimmy tore his ACL, correct?

He's the best TE in the game. What does that have to do with it?

Where I'm going with that is while Kittle is a stud muffin…shanny creates plays to get easy throws for his QBs, even for the great Nick Mullens put up yards. He can get Joe blow open. We all saw Richie james vs the packers this yr.

McVay is very similar imo

Yes you can throw any QB out there, but what's more important stats or wins..

Comparing players = Stats. Comparing teamsv= Wins. 2 very simple equations.

The "he wins 75%" of his games played argument is so tired.

You would think a QB with such a ridiculous winning percentage would have had a huge market for him this past offseason. But the opposite happened. No one was interested in spending a day 1 pick to get him. There might not even have been a market for a day 2 pick but we don't know that for sure.

Meanwhile, s**tty losing record Matt Stafford goes for a 1.
Deshaun Watson and his s**tty record we're probably going to go for multiple 1s.

So why wouldn't a QB with such a highly touted win percentage garner any day 1 picks?

Because we need QB Depth since we went QBoftheFuture

IF we would have gotten Staff or Wat, no doubt jimmy is gone and maybe Dalton or Flacco would have been signed

No team out there is going to put there name out there trying to get jimmy when jimmy is not available, that team suicide

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
No team out there is going to put there name out there trying to get jimmy when jimmy is not available, that team suicide

Training camp/season injuries can change another team's outlook very quickly. For us and any other team, that'd be true, and it makes sense to hold onto Jimmy for now.

We have no idea how many teams would be saying "if only we had an average QB" in the way we certainly didn't once Jimmy went down.

But as things stand now,...what team out there do you think would take Jimmy for a 1st?

Injuries can be both a reason and an excuse. Some people seem to think it's only one or the other.

Originally posted by random49er:
Training camp/season injuries can change another team's outlook very quickly. For us and any other team, that'd be true, and it makes sense to hold onto Jimmy for now.

We have no idea how many teams would be saying "if only we had an average QB" in the way we certainly didn't once Jimmy went down.

But as things stand now,...what team out there do you think would take Jimmy for a 1st?

There is a lot more to the equation than just who would give up a first for him though. Would he agree to be traded there? Would they take on his full salary? Does Kyle feel like getting that pick is more valuable than possibly playing Lance before he is fully ready?

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Injuries can be both a reason and an excuse. Some people seem to think it's only one or the other.

I just disagree. If you play, you play. Don't wanna hear about injuries later, and I also don't wanna hear about what other player didn't play that game as if we're the only team in the league that's had to deal with missing a player.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by random49er:
Training camp/season injuries can change another team's outlook very quickly. For us and any other team, that'd be true, and it makes sense to hold onto Jimmy for now.

We have no idea how many teams would be saying "if only we had an average QB" in the way we certainly didn't once Jimmy went down.

But as things stand now,...what team out there do you think would take Jimmy for a 1st?

There is a lot more to the equation than just who would give up a first for him though. Would he agree to be traded there? Would they take on his full salary? Does Kyle feel like getting that pick is more valuable than possibly playing Lance before he is fully ready?

i've seen worse QB's make a killing in FA.. Why.. i have no idea

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by random49er:
Training camp/season injuries can change another team's outlook very quickly. For us and any other team, that'd be true, and it makes sense to hold onto Jimmy for now.

We have no idea how many teams would be saying "if only we had an average QB" in the way we certainly didn't once Jimmy went down.

But as things stand now,...what team out there do you think would take Jimmy for a 1st?

There is a lot more to the equation than just who would give up a first for him though. Would he agree to be traded there? Would they take on his full salary? Does Kyle feel like getting that pick is more valuable than possibly playing Lance before he is fully ready?

How Kyle feels doesn't factor in, nor does would he agree. The only question was who did he think would trade Jimmy for a 1st right now, given the current climate.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
i've seen worse QB's make a killing in FA.. Why.. i have no idea

Well FA and trading away picks for a guy are 2 different things. NFL contracts aren't guaranteed so that's a separate non-issue as it relates to us.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Yes you can throw any QB out there, but what's more important stats or wins..

Like I said Goff/Dalton both won a ton of games (more than Jimmy) and I have them all in that same tier of talent.

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Thank you, elguapo. It gets pretty comical in here with some of these other posters' "takes."

Yeah a subject take like his is clearly right lol. Only if it fits your narrative of course.