Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
OK the Niners ask him to take a pay cut. He responds "uh no thanks." Then what NY? You actually think we cut him then? I couldnt see any way that we would flat out cut him because he refused to take a pay cut.

So it goes back to my differing opinion....WE have no leverage. You keep saying Jimmy has none. We arent going to cut him and roll with Lance and Rosen. This is why we wont ask for a pay cut. Jimmy has zero incentive to oblige.

This.

And thankfully, definitely not rolling with Lance and Rosen/Sudfeld.

I concur wholeheartedly

I'm excited to see how both QBs especially Jimmy do with this oline. Probably the best line Jimmy has had here, maybe including NE. Very curious to see how big if any of an impact it has on his game aside from the obvious like getting sacked. Just sitting in the pocket knowing he'll have time. Any chance it lowers those omg wtf throws? That's something I'll be watching closely in games he starts this year. If any. Love they invested on the line. I feel like we have a lot to be excited about not only this season but at least the next handful.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Odds are he won't be cut and if it happens, he won't sign until FA next year unless a major injury happens this year

Right so he would lose out on millions and not play for a year…only dropping his stock even more for FA in 2022.

I mean it's not that far fetched of an idea to ask him to take a pay cut if they feel like Lance is gonna start at some point.

OK the Niners ask him to take a pay cut. He responds "uh no thanks." Then what NY? You actually think we cut him then? I couldnt see any way that we would flat out cut him because he refused to take a pay cut.

So it goes back to my differing opinion....WE have no leverage. You keep saying Jimmy has none. We arent going to cut him and roll with Lance and Rosen. This is why we wont ask for a pay cut. Jimmy has zero incentive to oblige.

Couldn't you view the Niners having some leverage in that if they release him we own him nothing and whatever the difference is in his new contract wherever he signs would be how much hes losing. I know it all depends on what we'd offer with the pay cut. You could still be right in that whatever the Niners offer is still more than he'd get right now. I'm just looking at it both ways. Its really hard to view either as having any leverage. Sorry for interjecting. Don't mind me. Question, we have till week 1, is that when his $ is guaranteed?

Originally posted by SF491619232429ERS:
I'm excited to see how both QBs especially Jimmy do with this oline. Probably the best line Jimmy has had here, maybe including NE. Very curious to see how big if any of an impact it has on his game aside from the obvious like getting sacked. Just sitting in the pocket knowing he'll have time. Any chance it lowers those omg wtf throws? That's something I'll be watching closely in games he starts this year. If any. Love they invested on the line. I feel like we have a lot to be excited about not only this season but at least the next handful.

Hear hear brother! It's been said a lot in this thread because of the obvious but end of day we all bleed red and gold baby! That last sentence is the truth and we deserve it after some of the craziest injury plagued seasons that I can remember for our team man, I swear it felt like it was us more than every other team in the NFL….last season it literally was. It's soooooo on next week boys!!!

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Why not answer my question?
How much money will JG get if he is cut after TC?

He should take whatever money he can, that is what would be in his best interest.

What business he has being paid whatever and how much he has made is completely irrelevant.

I mean Dalton and Teddy each got around $4.5-$5m and that was at the beginning of free agency when when teams didn't have rosters in place and whatever little was available was well available. I don't see any team giving him anything more than that in July.

if SF asked him to take a pay cut to $12M for one yr, he's still making the 12th highest amount of cash at the QB position in 2021. He's also gets to compete to start on a SB roster and be a FA in 2022…imo he should worry about his next contract and what spot will give him the best odds at increasing his market.

Bold.......Great point NY

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Only if he's cut would he lose, but I don't think Jimmy is that desperate to feel like he's losing out.

Saints will def pay more than 12 for him

Saints don't have money. No one would pay Jimmy $12M at this point in the NFL off season

If Trey takes over would not be shocked if a desperate WFT trades for Jimmy when Fitzpatrick starts sucking after his 3 good games. They need a qb with that defense to win a very winnable NFC East

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
If Trey takes over would not be shocked if a desperate WFT trades for Jimmy when Fitzpatrick starts sucking after his 3 good games. They need a qb with that defense to win a very winnable NFC East

I think Washington would be an ideal fit.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
OK the Niners ask him to take a pay cut. He responds "uh no thanks." Then what NY? You actually think we cut him then? I couldnt see any way that we would flat out cut him because he refused to take a pay cut.

So it goes back to my differing opinion....WE have no leverage. You keep saying Jimmy has none. We arent going to cut him and roll with Lance and Rosen. This is why we wont ask for a pay cut. Jimmy has zero incentive to oblige.

At that point you've decided Lance is gonna be the starter…so you then cut him and save $24M or over $50M for 2022…that's more money saved moving off one player than anyone else in the NFL! go swap day 3 picks for Minshew I don't care, he's a top end backup making like $500K the next two yrs.

we have literally all the leverage. No one is paying him $26M if cut, no one is paying him $15M if he's cut…there is simply no money available for him right now in the market. Teams have their QB rooms setup. He still gets top 12 money and now is a FA in 2022. He gets to determine his future not allow SF to trade him to whomever we want. I mean s**t throw in his incentives to get some cash back, I don't care…he shouldn't be making the money he's making.

I got everyone saying Jimmy starts until he gets hurt, wait so people assume he's gonna get hurt and you STILL want to pay him the 5th most cash in the league?! WTF are we doing here? That's like saying I'm gonna pay $100k for a used KIA that you KNOW is gonna breakdown.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
If Trey takes over would not be shocked if a desperate WFT trades for Jimmy when Fitzpatrick starts sucking after his 3 good games. They need a qb with that defense to win a very winnable NFC East

I think Washington would be an ideal fit.

With what money? That's the problem JG is making the 5th highest salary at QB in 2021. The team trading for him (which he has to agree too) then takes on that cap hit the rest of the year.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
If Trey takes over would not be shocked if a desperate WFT trades for Jimmy when Fitzpatrick starts sucking after his 3 good games. They need a qb with that defense to win a very winnable NFC East

I think Washington would be an ideal fit.

With what money? That's the problem JG is making the 5th highest salary at QB in 2021. The team trading for him (which he has to agree too) then takes on that cap hit the rest of the year.

Are they cash strapped? Who on the team are they paying big money to?

Originally posted by Jack49ers84:
Why wouldn't we cut him? We've spent the entire offseason turning over every rock trying to find someone to replace him, but now we won't cut him? If we had been able to sign Flacco or Dalton, arguably better QBs than Jimmy, Jimmy would already be long gone. We've only kept him this long because we can't find anyone to take him off our hands and he still has some slight value to us as a possible bridge QB while Lance gets ready to start. Once they feel Lance is ready to start then Jimmy has no value to us. Is he a better QB than Sudfeld or Rosen? Maybe, hard to say, but if he is, the difference is not worth $25 million.

I think Jimmy is much better than Flacco at this point and better than Sudfeld/Rosen....but is he $20-25M better? That' the question and most objective fans will say not f**king way (which you agree with).

I agree if they brought in someone like Dalton, Jimmy wouldn't be on the team right now. They've done the whole coaches speak this off season and they should. They tried to pump up his market, saying they weren't moving him blah blah bah. Meanwhile they've did whatever they could to find his replacement. Teams/agents see this, they're not dumb.

I'd rather swap day 3 picks with the Jags and have Minshew at $900K APY for the next two years and bank $50M. I'm not even thinking about what SF could get in a trade this yr or next for him because I don't think it will be a thing.

Originally posted by mayo49:
Are they cash strapped? Who on the team are they paying big money for?

Well for starters they're paying a OG and a S $18M and $17M this yr

The cap dropped like $40M, everyone is cash strapped...people gotta realize teams need around $10M heading into the season. You have mid-season moves, guys getting hurt, calling up PS guys which all cost new money. Need to have bonus/incentive cash in the reserve on top of it. When you see that a team "has" a certain amount of cap space that's not truly what they have at this point.

No one was gonna pay Jimmy $26M before FA started let alone now. No one is gonna pay Jimmy $12M right now either. SF has all the leverage to ask for a pay cut.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Are they cash strapped? Who on the team are they paying big money for?

Well for starters they're paying a OG and a S $18M and $17M this yr

The cap dropped like $40M, everyone is cash strapped...people gotta realize teams need around $10M heading into the season. You have mid-season moves, guys getting hurt, calling up PS guys which all cost new money. Need to have bonus/incentive cash in the reserve on top of it. When you see that a team "has" a certain amount of cap space that's not truly what they have at this point.

No one was gonna pay Jimmy $26M before FA started let alone now. No one is gonna pay Jimmy $12M right now either. SF has all the leverage to ask for a pay cut.

A pay cut is probably what it's going to have to be.

Originally posted by mayo49:
A pay cut is probably what it's going to have to be.

It should be, SF can't keep resetting the market for every position. They shouldn't be paying an avg starting QB the 5th highest salary with the intention of making him a bridge QB. They're smarter than that.

Give him $12M GTD one yr and toss in some incentives liking playing time, stats, if he's the starter in playoffs, pro-bowl stuff whatever. Jimmy still makes a ton of cash, is a FA in a year, and gets to compete to start on a SB roster. I have no idea why people in here are against that? People talk about him getting hurt like it's gonna happen lol, why pay a dude that kind of cash if you think he's not gonna play at some point?