Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
I like context plus stats, SWH. Context you get from watching each guy play throughout entire games (not highlights, not partial games).

Instead of writing you a big unnecessary response, I'll just ask you this and I want an honest answer: From what you saw in Goff's play as a pro up through the 2019 season and from what you saw in Garoppolo's play from NE days through the 2019 season, which of the two would you have wanted as the Niners' starting QB after 2019?

I'm assuming you have watched a lot of Goff's games like I have - I'm a Cal Bears fan so I've followed him there and in the NFL.

Edit: Just went back and read the whole exchange and what I mentioned...wasn't necessarily referring to you as one of those "other posters" b/c I'm pretty sure you get the "context matters" thing.

Hear hear. Context is everything. Glad your smarter than that. Stats are for losers....especially without context. Jimmy after a TO is a sex machine and deadly efficient for the most part and Goff crumbles and is a joke for the most part. Like I said before, I'm so happy we got to play Goff beating him with our backups was a treat.

Looks like the niners will be better off eventually with Lance and the Rams will be better off with Stafford for sure

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
I like context plus stats, SWH. Context you get from watching each guy play throughout entire games (not highlights, not partial games).

Instead of writing you a big unnecessary response, I'll just ask you this and I want an honest answer: From what you saw in Goff's play as a pro up through the 2019 season and from what you saw in Garoppolo's play from NE days through the 2019 season, which of the two would you have wanted as the Niners' starting QB after 2019?

I'm assuming you have watched a lot of Goff's games like I have - I'm a Cal Bears fan so I've followed him there and in the NFL.

Edit: Just went back and read the whole exchange and what I mentioned...wasn't necessarily referring to you as one of those "other posters" b/c I'm pretty sure you get the "context matters" thing.

Hear hear. Context is everything. Glad your smarter than that. Stats are for losers....especially without context. Jimmy after a TO is a sex machine and deadly efficient for the most part and Goff crumbles and is a joke for the most part. Like I said before, I'm so happy we got to play Goff beating him with our backups was a treat.

Looks like the niners will be better off eventually with Lance and the Rams will be better off with Stafford for sure

You're*

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
You're*

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
You're*

Ahhh don't be that dude Gore.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Why not answer my question?
How much money will JG get if he is cut after TC?

He should take whatever money he can, that is what would be in his best interest.

What business he has being paid whatever and how much he has made is completely irrelevant.

I mean Dalton and Teddy each got around $4.5-$5m and that was at the beginning of free agency when when teams didn't have rosters in place and whatever little was available was well available. I don't see any team giving him anything more than that in July.

if SF asked him to take a pay cut to $12M for one yr, he's still making the 12th highest amount of cash at the QB position in 2021. He's also gets to compete to start on a SB roster and be a FA in 2022…imo he should worry about his next contract and what spot will give him the best odds at increasing his market.

Originally posted by Jack49ers84:

Why wouldn't we cut him? We've spent the entire offseason turning over every rock trying to find someone to replace him, but now we won't cut him? If we had been able to sign Flacco or Dalton, arguably better QBs than Jimmy, Jimmy would already be long gone. We've only kept him this long because we can't find anyone to take him off our hands and he still has some slight value to us as a possible bridge QB while Lance gets ready to start. Once they feel Lance is ready to start then Jimmy has no value to us. Is he a better QB than Sudfeld or Rosen? Maybe, hard to say, but if he is, the difference is not worth $25 million.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Please see post #52579. I have addressed this many times. Your post sounds correct in theory, but it is absolutely false in reality.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

The following are the top 10 rushing playoff games in NFL history with (passing attempts noted here).

1. Eric Dickerson 244 rushing yards (22 passing attempts) - Most of the passing (12 attempts) came in the first half when the game was 3-0. Dickerson had 167 yards in the 2nd half. 95 of those were on 2 carries.

2. Raheem Mostert 220 yards (8 attempts) - 49ers attempted 8 passes (2 resulted in defensive penalties) in the first half before going up 20-0. Then threw no passes while scoring two more TDs for a 34-7 lead. Once GB got the game to 34-20, they attempted three more passes (1 nullified by defensive penalty). The 49ers scored three TDs on the five drives in which they did not throw a pass.

3. Lamar Smith 209 yards (34 attempts) - Dolphins won this in OT bc the Colts missed a FG. Passing so much almost cost them the game. Dolphins were down 14-0 at the half despite Smith's 95 yards on 16 carries due to a missed FG, a failed 4th down conversion and three Fiedler INTs. Smith also got 49 of his 200+ in OT.

4. Keith Lincoln 206 yards (26 attempts)

5. Timmy Smith 204 yards (29 attempts) - This game is an odd one. Smith had 5 carries for 9 yards in the first quarter vs. 10 pass attempts. Broncos up 10-0. Smith has 5 carries for 122 yards and a TD in the 2nd quarter, as Williams throws 4 TDs on 11 passes. In the 3rd quarter, Smith has 8 yards on 5 carries vs. 7 Williams passes and neither team scores any points. In the 4th quarter, Washington was in clock chewing mode with only 1 pass attempt. Smith has 7 carries for 65 yards and a TD.

6(t). Fred McNeil 202 yards (29 attempts)
6(t). Lawrence McCutcheon 202 yards (23 attempts)

8. Ryan Grant 201 yards (23 attempts) - Grant fumbled the ball on the 1st play of the game and then again on the Packers 3rd play and his 3rd touch. Once Grant got going late in the first quarter, Favre threw just 14 passes, 5 of them were on 3rd and long.

9. Terrell Davis 199 yards (23 attempts) - Only explanation is that they had John Elway. Davis may have also gotten hurt on his first carry of the 4th quarter, as he didn't touch the ball again after that, while Elway threw 3 more passes.

10. Steve Van Buren 196 yards (9 attempts) - 9 passes

So can we stop with this "no other coach would throw the ball when they couldn't stop the run" nonsense? It sounds correct in theory, but isn't reality.

Every single time the a RB has a monster game, aside from the #10 game which happened in 1949, there has not been a complete abandonment of the pass game like Kyle did.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Some team is bound to lose their starter - then we can think about unloading Jimmy.

Tingling penis telling you this Mayo?

No, just going by my other head.

does mayo come out of his penis you think?

You tell us!

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
I like context plus stats, SWH. Context you get from watching each guy play throughout entire games (not highlights, not partial games).

Instead of writing you a big unnecessary response, I'll just ask you this and I want an honest answer: From what you saw in Goff's play as a pro up through the 2019 season and from what you saw in Garoppolo's play from NE days through the 2019 season, which of the two would you have wanted as the Niners' starting QB after 2019?

I'm assuming you have watched a lot of Goff's games like I have - I'm a Cal Bears fan so I've followed him there and in the NFL.

Edit: Just went back and read the whole exchange and what I mentioned...wasn't necessarily referring to you as one of those "other posters" b/c I'm pretty sure you get the "context matters" thing.

Hear hear. Context is everything. Glad your smarter than that. Stats are for losers....especially without context. Jimmy after a TO is a sex machine and deadly efficient for the most part and Goff crumbles and is a joke for the most part. Like I said before, I'm so happy we got to play Goff beating him with our backups was a treat.

Looks like the niners will be better off eventually with Lance and the Rams will be better off with Stafford for sure

You're*

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
You're*

Ahhh don't be that dude Gore.

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
You're*

Ahhh don't be that dude Gore.

please continue to be that dude.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
If Trey takes over would not be shocked if a desperate WFT trades for Jimmy when Fitzpatrick starts sucking after his 3 good games. They need a qb with that defense to win a very winnable NFC East

I think Washington would be an ideal fit.

With what money? That's the problem JG is making the 5th highest salary at QB in 2021. The team trading for him (which he has to agree too) then takes on that cap hit the rest of the year.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Please see post #52579. I have addressed this many times. Your post sounds correct in theory, but it is absolutely false in reality.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

The following are the top 10 rushing playoff games in NFL history with (passing attempts noted here).

1. Eric Dickerson 244 rushing yards (22 passing attempts) - Most of the passing (12 attempts) came in the first half when the game was 3-0. Dickerson had 167 yards in the 2nd half. 95 of those were on 2 carries.

2. Raheem Mostert 220 yards (8 attempts) - 49ers attempted 8 passes (2 resulted in defensive penalties) in the first half before going up 20-0. Then threw no passes while scoring two more TDs for a 34-7 lead. Once GB got the game to 34-20, they attempted three more passes (1 nullified by defensive penalty). The 49ers scored three TDs on the five drives in which they did not throw a pass.

3. Lamar Smith 209 yards (34 attempts) - Dolphins won this in OT bc the Colts missed a FG. Passing so much almost cost them the game. Dolphins were down 14-0 at the half despite Smith's 95 yards on 16 carries due to a missed FG, a failed 4th down conversion and three Fiedler INTs. Smith also got 49 of his 200+ in OT.

4. Keith Lincoln 206 yards (26 attempts)

5. Timmy Smith 204 yards (29 attempts) - This game is an odd one. Smith had 5 carries for 9 yards in the first quarter vs. 10 pass attempts. Broncos up 10-0. Smith has 5 carries for 122 yards and a TD in the 2nd quarter, as Williams throws 4 TDs on 11 passes. In the 3rd quarter, Smith has 8 yards on 5 carries vs. 7 Williams passes and neither team scores any points. In the 4th quarter, Washington was in clock chewing mode with only 1 pass attempt. Smith has 7 carries for 65 yards and a TD.

6(t). Fred McNeil 202 yards (29 attempts)
6(t). Lawrence McCutcheon 202 yards (23 attempts)

8. Ryan Grant 201 yards (23 attempts) - Grant fumbled the ball on the 1st play of the game and then again on the Packers 3rd play and his 3rd touch. Once Grant got going late in the first quarter, Favre threw just 14 passes, 5 of them were on 3rd and long.

9. Terrell Davis 199 yards (23 attempts) - Only explanation is that they had John Elway.

10. Steve Van Buren 196 yards (9 attempts) - 9 passes

So can we stop with this "no other coach would throw the ball when they couldn't stop the run" nonsense? It sounds correct in theory, but isn't reality.

Every single time the a RB has a monster game, aside from the #10 game which happened in 1949, there has not been a complete abandonment of the pass game like Kyle did.

It's all about game flow....except for that weird Washington Super Bowl.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
49ers could offer to pay half his salary or so, which would allow them to still save like a paycut would, while also getting a pick in return.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
49ers could offer to pay half his salary or so, which would allow them to still save like a paycut would, while also getting a pick in return.

So basically paying $13M for what is probably a day 3 pick and no having a quality backup the rest of the year? No thanks. They'd have to throw a legit draft pick for me to take on any of that money. That's the whole point of moving JG to get rid of all that cash.

He'd also have to agree to the trade.