Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
if you take feelings and emotion out, it's pretty clear for this year

Go in with QB depth

At the appropriate price point…otherwise you're just throwing much need cap space down the toilet.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
if you take feelings and emotion out, it's pretty clear for this year

Go in with QB depth

I agree with this and I think NY does too, but his whole point is that we can still go in with QB depth (Jimmy) but at a much cheaper costs and rightfully so. He is not a top 5 QB and shouldn't be paid like one, especially if at some point this season Trey takes the job, or even worse Jimmy is Jimmy and gets hurt again. AB said week one that 26 million is locked in. A 26 million dollar backup riding the pine is just not good business. Getting some of that money back can help depth elsewhere, we all know things happen throughout the season and it's better to have more flexibility if/when it does.

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Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
if you take feelings and emotion out, it's pretty clear for this year

Go in with QB depth

At the appropriate price point…otherwise you're just throwing much need cap space down the toilet.

Sure, but they are already ok with the current price point.

Who is readily available to provide QB depth that would be better than Jimmy?

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by Jack49ers84:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
At that point you've decided Lance is gonna be the starter…so you then cut him and save $24M or over $50M for 2022…that's more money saved moving off one player than anyone else in the NFL! go swap day 3 picks for Minshew I don't care, he's a top end backup making like $500K the next two yrs.

we have literally all the leverage. No one is paying him $26M if cut, no one is paying him $15M if he's cut…there is simply no money available for him right now in the market. Teams have their QB rooms setup. He still gets top 12 money and now is a FA in 2022. He gets to determine his future not allow SF to trade him to whomever we want. I mean s**t throw in his incentives to get some cash back, I don't care…he shouldn't be making the money he's making.

I got everyone saying Jimmy starts until he gets hurt, wait so people assume he's gonna get hurt and you STILL want to pay him the 5th most cash in the league?! WTF are we doing here? That's like saying I'm gonna pay $100k for a used KIA that you KNOW is gonna breakdown.

Everything you been saying is 💯 No idea how some think Jimmy has any "leverage" if they ask him to take a pay cut, if he says no they can simply cut his ass, save all but what 2mil cap hit? (Could be wrong) And Jimmy is left looking for someplace to compete for the starting gig, already behind in the process at this point, on a salary that is very likely less than what the 49ers asked him to take a pay cut too.

Absolutely. People here act like Jimmy would have 10 teams immediately trying to sign him as a franchise QB if we were to cut him. The reality is that nobody will want him for more than $5 million on a one year deal at the most. He's Case Keenum with an injury problem. We'd be doing him a favor by asking him to only take a $10 million paycut instead of just cutting him outright. Even with a paycut, he'll probably make more this year with us than he will for the entire rest of his career.

All of this is correct, but I'm looking at this as if I were KS or Lynch. We've seen twice what's happened when Jimmy went down. We had really bad seasons.

From what KS said, or maybe it was Lynch, that they both talked to Jed and Jed was fine with paying that kind of money for Jimmy and Trey this year.

That tells me that KS and Lynch don't want another repeat of last year, or two years ago. Sure their job might still be safe, but it's gonna be on them if they get rid of Jimmy and Trey either doesn't look that good year 1 or gets injured.

I'm sure someone like Parag is thinking more like a fan would (would be nice to have that much extra cap rolled into next year) but you know coaches, GMs, are always for the most part in win now mode. This season needs to be a success and I think having both QBs on the roster makes that more likely.

if you take feelings and emotion out, it's pretty clear for this year

Go in with QB depth

Umm no. It's not just emotions or feelings. It would be like an extra 20 mil in cap we can have next season. So I definitely understand where posters like NY are coming from. I just rather go into the season knowing we're safe with 2 QBs. The only way I would get rid of Jimmy before week 1 is we get a solid offer for him, like a 1st round pick.

Might as well just say you won't get rid of him then lol. We're more likely to get a 1st for Dee Ford than Jimmy at this point.

It's crazy how many people are comfortable with paying a back-up QB $25 million just to have the illusion of safety at the position. Paying backups high-end starter money is a luxury no team can afford and yes, throwing $25 million away will have ramifications on our ability to retain our actual contributing players down the line. We just recently had to trade Deforest Buckner, arguably our best and most consistent player over the last 5 years, because we decided we couldn't afford him, but we can afford to just flush $25 million down the drain for no reason? Absurd.

Almost every team in the league would be in trouble if their starting QB went down. How many of them are paying a backup $25 million because they're scared of that happening? If Trey looks remotely comfortable running a pared down version of the offense in TC/preseason then Jimmy has got to take a paycut or GTFO.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
if you take feelings and emotion out, it's pretty clear for this year

Go in with QB depth

I agree with this and I think NY does too, but his whole point is that we can still go in with QB depth (Jimmy) but at a much cheaper costs and rightfully so. He is not a top 5 QB and shouldn't be paid like one, especially if at some point this season Trey takes the job, or even worse Jimmy is Jimmy and gets hurt again. AB said week one that 26 million is locked in. A 26 million dollar backup riding the pine is just not good business. Getting some of that money back can help depth elsewhere, we all know things happen throughout the season and it's better to have more flexibility if/when it does.

found this little tid bit

Every NFL player who is on a team's roster during the year will earn a base salary divided up into 17 installments. That covers the 16-game schedule and the bye-week which make up the season. If a player gets cut during the season the bulk of the money they expected to earn gets lost unless they have a guarantee

Jimmy only has 2.8 guaranteed.. so it's still not a big hit if cut/traded during the season

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Sure, but they are already ok with the current price point.

Who is readily available to provide QB depth that would be better than Jimmy?

Off season isn't done yet…

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
found this little tid bit

Every NFL player who is on a team's roster during the year will earn a base salary divided up into 17 installments. That covers the 16-game schedule and the bye-week which make up the season. If a player gets cut during the season the bulk of the money they expected to earn gets lost unless they have a guarantee

Jimmy only has 2.8 guaranteed.. so it's still not a big hit if cut/traded during the season

AB already talked about this and his cap his is gtd if he's on the roster come week 1.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/nfl/49ers/.amp/news/the-worst-contracts-on-the-san-francisco-49ers-payroll

he is not on a week to week contract

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Your assuming yet again Jimmy would have more turnovers which in not a correct assumption. It depends on factors like wether we play a great defensive opponent and if we have the lead which we usually did we are running the ball, the flow of the games, our offensive line protection from game to game and so on. What a novel idea? Guess you missed that whole concept. More attempts don't always equate to that same rate of turnovers. Oh my so many factors determine that. Also, Jimmy was playing with a less talented and less healthy team. You can't extrapolate and assume Jimmy would have more turnovers at that rate. What we DO KNOW FOR SURE is Goff had a better and healthier team around him since Jimmy G got to SF and was embarrassing bad the last 2 years with his turnovers. Like Christmas time for Defenses. Kinlaw says hi too Jimmy was not an embarrassment like Goff was the last 2 years with those TO's. He lost games and his own coach was pissed. Check some postgame comments by McVay, totally called out Goff for good reason. Also, we have seen Goff play like an absolute bust before McVay and Jimmy played (and WON) so much better with a very average team in 2017. Jimmy was never that horrible. I know it's hard for you to admit but it's cool.

Dude it's a massively flawed argument on your part because one actually played football and threw the ball WAY more. It's logical to assume TOs happen. Same with every thing else. Goff has 98TD the past 4 yrs, Jimmy 46 (duh he played more )

I'm not saying Goff is great, I'm saying his situation and who he is as a QB is damn similar to Jimmy.

INT% gives you a clearer picture and Jimmy blows there. His only full season he had 10 fumbles all the same. You can not objective & tell me Jimmy doesn't turn the ball over because he does.

Goff had injured lineman, lost receivers, lost top end RBs all the same. Jimmy wasn't subject to some bad team like ya'll are trying to say….It's straw man arguments all over the place with Jimmy.

I know it's hard for 49er fans to admit it but it's the truth overall.

lol
I think the Rams line the previous years had been ok, not??

Rams win 2018 Offensive Line of the Year award
https://www.google.com/amp/s/theramswire.usatoday.com/2019/02/02/nfl-rams-offensive-line-year-2018-award/amp/

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:
lol
I think the Rams line the previous years had been ok, not??

Rams win 2018 Offensive Line of the Year award
https://www.google.com/amp/s/theramswire.usatoday.com/2019/02/02/nfl-rams-offensive-line-year-2018-award/amp/

And the yrs after? They had a bunch of mid rd rookies out there lost two good starters, LT was hurt etc

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
found this little tid bit

Every NFL player who is on a team's roster during the year will earn a base salary divided up into 17 installments. That covers the 16-game schedule and the bye-week which make up the season. If a player gets cut during the season the bulk of the money they expected to earn gets lost unless they have a guarantee

Jimmy only has 2.8 guaranteed.. so it's still not a big hit if cut/traded during the season

AB already talked about this and his cap his is gtd if he's on the roster come week 1.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/nfl/49ers/.amp/news/the-worst-contracts-on-the-san-francisco-49ers-payroll

he is not on a week to week contract

if true, looks like jimmy is are starter

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Sure, but they are already ok with the current price point.

Who is readily available to provide QB depth that would be better than Jimmy?

Off season isn't done yet…

Ok, I'll rephrase.

Who will realistically be available to provide QB depth that would be better than Jimmy?

Nick Foles is the only potential QB that could come close and he doesn't know the system.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
found this little tid bit

Every NFL player who is on a team's roster during the year will earn a base salary divided up into 17 installments. That covers the 16-game schedule and the bye-week which make up the season. If a player gets cut during the season the bulk of the money they expected to earn gets lost unless they have a guarantee

Jimmy only has 2.8 guaranteed.. so it's still not a big hit if cut/traded during the season

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Originally posted by frenchtoast:
Where was it ever said??? It was CBS! Now wipe the egg off your face. That said, if the 49ers somehow have a shot at making their Week 17 matchup against the Seattle Seahawks one that could push them into the tournament, it's possible head coach Kyle Shanahan and general manager John Lynch consider letting Garoppolo take the field. Kittle and Jimmy were both cleared but Jimmy didn't want to play and Kittle did.

Jimmy's lack of incentive and motivation will stick out like a sore thumb when he and Lance face in preseason...

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/49ers-jimmy-garoppolo-likely-out-for-remainder-of-2020-but-george-kittle-has-a-shot-at-returning-per-report/

Absolutely DOES NOT say jimmy was cleared..

French pulls it & Random pulled this s**t to..
Making false comments look like they were in the article…

I mean is this ok??

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
if you take feelings and emotion out, it's pretty clear for this year

Go in with QB depth

At the appropriate price point…otherwise you're just throwing much need cap space down the toilet.

Can you explain why we in your opinion, that we would need the capspace for this season? Who is out there that would be signed if we had a bunch of money freed up? Is there some star free agent currently that I am forgetting about?

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Your assuming yet again Jimmy would have more turnovers which in not a correct assumption. It depends on factors like wether we play a great defensive opponent and if we have the lead which we usually did we are running the ball, the flow of the games, our offensive line protection from game to game and so on. What a novel idea? Guess you missed that whole concept. More attempts don't always equate to that same rate of turnovers. Oh my so many factors determine that. Also, Jimmy was playing with a less talented and less healthy team. You can't extrapolate and assume Jimmy would have more turnovers at that rate. What we DO KNOW FOR SURE is Goff had a better and healthier team around him since Jimmy G got to SF and was embarrassing bad the last 2 years with his turnovers. Like Christmas time for Defenses. Kinlaw says hi too Jimmy was not an embarrassment like Goff was the last 2 years with those TO's. He lost games and his own coach was pissed. Check some postgame comments by McVay, totally called out Goff for good reason. Also, we have seen Goff play like an absolute bust before McVay and Jimmy played (and WON) so much better with a very average team in 2017. Jimmy was never that horrible. I know it's hard for you to admit but it's cool.

Dude it's a massively flawed argument on your part because one actually played football and threw the ball WAY more. It's logical to assume TOs happen. Same with every thing else. Goff has 98TD the past 4 yrs, Jimmy 46 (duh he played more )

I'm not saying Goff is great, I'm saying his situation and who he is as a QB is damn similar to Jimmy.

INT% gives you a clearer picture and Jimmy blows there. His only full season he had 10 fumbles all the same. You can not objective & tell me Jimmy doesn't turn the ball over because he does.

Goff had injured lineman, lost receivers, lost top end RBs all the same. Jimmy wasn't subject to some bad team like ya'll are trying to say….It's straw man arguments all over the place with Jimmy.

I know it's hard for 49er fans to admit it but it's the truth overall.

lol
I think the Rams line the previous years had been ok, not??

Rams win 2018 Offensive Line of the Year award
https://www.google.com/amp/s/theramswire.usatoday.com/2019/02/02/nfl-rams-offensive-line-year-2018-award/amp/

And in 2019, the year that Guapo used as the start year of his comparison, the Rams offensive line was so bad, that pff ranked them 31st in the NFL.

Thirty first.