Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
if you take feelings and emotion out, it's pretty clear for this year

Go in with QB depth

At the appropriate price point…otherwise you're just throwing much need cap space down the toilet.

Can you explain why we in your opinion, that we would need the capspace for this season? Who is out there that would be signed if we had a bunch of money freed up? Is there some star free agent currently that I am forgetting about?

I think it's more about cap savings that they can roll over into next season.

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by frenchtoast:
Where was it ever said??? It was CBS! Now wipe the egg off your face. That said, if the 49ers somehow have a shot at making their Week 17 matchup against the Seattle Seahawks one that could push them into the tournament, it's possible head coach Kyle Shanahan and general manager John Lynch consider letting Garoppolo take the field. Kittle and Jimmy were both cleared but Jimmy didn't want to play and Kittle did.

Jimmy's lack of incentive and motivation will stick out like a sore thumb when he and Lance face in preseason...

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/49ers-jimmy-garoppolo-likely-out-for-remainder-of-2020-but-george-kittle-has-a-shot-at-returning-per-report/

Absolutely DOES NOT say jimmy was cleared..

French pulls it & Random pulled this s**t to..
Making false comments look like they were in the article…

I mean is this ok??

Anytime something's in an article, I use the quote button. A non-quoted comment went over your head,...it's ok, lol. Get over it.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
if true, looks like jimmy is are starter

OR they say take a pay cut or later gator....of course if Lance is looking good in TC.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
if you take feelings and emotion out, it's pretty clear for this year

Go in with QB depth

At the appropriate price point…otherwise you're just throwing much need cap space down the toilet.

Can you explain why we in your opinion, that we would need the capspace for this season? Who is out there that would be signed if we had a bunch of money freed up? Is there some star free agent currently that I am forgetting about?

I don't know NYs answer but I do know that when you free up cap space, there isn't a requirement of a corresponding move to use it right away.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Can you explain why we in your opinion, that we would need the capspace for this season? Who is out there that would be signed if we had a bunch of money freed up? Is there some star free agent currently that I am forgetting about?

Because cap space can be rolled over...you don't have to use saved cap space in 2021 for 2021, it doesn't disappear...it's players revenue.

Here's the scenarios:

-Ask Jimmy to rip up his contract and take a 1 yr $12M deal.... that would give SF an extra $41.4M total by 2022 (extra $14.4M that they can use if they want right now or not).
-They could straight up cut him before the season starts and that would give them $49.2M total by 2022 (extra $23.6M that they can use right now or not).
-They can do nothing and let him play out his $26.4M in 2021, pray he doesn't get hurt, and possibly watch him ride the bench at some point...then they cut/trade him in 2022, where they would only get $25.6M total in savings
-They could trade him mid season and whomever trades for him takes on his remaining cash. Once week 1 starts his contract is GTD for the year. No one is gonna take on that contract IMO.

IMO the best of both worlds is asking him to take a pay cut. He's still making top 12 QB cash this yr (currently he's the 5th highest paid player in football). He get's to compete to be the starter on a SB roster, and be a free agent in 2022.

If Bosa kills it this year you think he's gonna go into year 4 without a deal? Yeah right...We all think Warner/AA/Kittle got paid, well you haven't seen s**t with Bosa. Also we have nothing at CB in 2021 outside of two mid round rookies. Who knows with EDGE across with Ford, WR, depth etc.

Why anyone wouldn't want to get an extra $14M onto the books is beyond me.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by Jack49ers84:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
At that point you've decided Lance is gonna be the starter…so you then cut him and save $24M or over $50M for 2022…that's more money saved moving off one player than anyone else in the NFL! go swap day 3 picks for Minshew I don't care, he's a top end backup making like $500K the next two yrs.

we have literally all the leverage. No one is paying him $26M if cut, no one is paying him $15M if he's cut…there is simply no money available for him right now in the market. Teams have their QB rooms setup. He still gets top 12 money and now is a FA in 2022. He gets to determine his future not allow SF to trade him to whomever we want. I mean s**t throw in his incentives to get some cash back, I don't care…he shouldn't be making the money he's making.

I got everyone saying Jimmy starts until he gets hurt, wait so people assume he's gonna get hurt and you STILL want to pay him the 5th most cash in the league?! WTF are we doing here? That's like saying I'm gonna pay $100k for a used KIA that you KNOW is gonna breakdown.

Everything you been saying is 💯 No idea how some think Jimmy has any "leverage" if they ask him to take a pay cut, if he says no they can simply cut his ass, save all but what 2mil cap hit? (Could be wrong) And Jimmy is left looking for someplace to compete for the starting gig, already behind in the process at this point, on a salary that is very likely less than what the 49ers asked him to take a pay cut too.

Absolutely. People here act like Jimmy would have 10 teams immediately trying to sign him as a franchise QB if we were to cut him. The reality is that nobody will want him for more than $5 million on a one year deal at the most. He's Case Keenum with an injury problem. We'd be doing him a favor by asking him to only take a $10 million paycut instead of just cutting him outright. Even with a paycut, he'll probably make more this year with us than he will for the entire rest of his career.

All of this is correct, but I'm looking at this as if I were KS or Lynch. We've seen twice what's happened when Jimmy went down. We had really bad seasons.

From what KS said, or maybe it was Lynch, that they both talked to Jed and Jed was fine with paying that kind of money for Jimmy and Trey this year.

That tells me that KS and Lynch don't want another repeat of last year, or two years ago. Sure their job might still be safe, but it's gonna be on them if they get rid of Jimmy and Trey either doesn't look that good year 1 or gets injured.

I'm sure someone like Parag is thinking more like a fan would (would be nice to have that much extra cap rolled into next year) but you know coaches, GMs, are always for the most part in win now mode. This season needs to be a success and I think having both QBs on the roster makes that more likely.

if you take feelings and emotion out, it's pretty clear for this year

Go in with QB depth

Umm no. It's not just emotions or feelings. It would be like an extra 20 mil in cap we can have next season. So I definitely understand where posters like NY are coming from. I just rather go into the season knowing we're safe with 2 QBs. The only way I would get rid of Jimmy before week 1 is we get a solid offer for him, like a 1st round pick.

it is emotions as the 49ers are not worried about it. They are still signing players and jimmy's contract has no effect

Ok, just say you don't understand how the cap works and you don't understand that money can roll over into next season to be used.

I mean, maybe I was looking at it wrong back in Free Agency before the Niners made the big trade to move to #3.

In the Niners looking at bringing in a guy like Dalton or Flacco, I saw that as getting a decent backup (finally) to Garoppolo to protect against his health issues.

That's not to say they weren't considering all their options to improve the QB room. All possibilities: FA, trades & moving up in the draft like they ended up doing.

Are there viewpoints that if the Niners signed a guy like Dalton or Flacco, that Garoppolo would be gone as they had plans all along to move up to get Lance?

Yes, I saw where they have been intrigued with Lance well before FA began. I just can't imagine this regime would take that gamble and roll into this season with this talented roster with a QB group of say Dalton (or worse, Flacco) & Lance. That would be a huge gamble IMO, and one I couldn't see Shanahan & Lynch taking since they need to get back to winning & the postseason, and where they have the roster right now to do it.

If you roll into this season with Dalton & Lance, you'd better be hoping big time that Lance wins the starting job Week 1. Because w/ Dalton as your starter, no matter all the talent on this team, I easily see only a 7 maybe 8 win season at best (w/ Flacco, even less). And either of those guys starting could be a very real possibility given all discussed about Lance and him needing at least a little time to get acclimated (given how young he is, learning the NFL game/speed/opposing talent/running this scheme...just a lot of stuff for any rookie QB to get thrown into no matter how talented).

Not saying Lance couldn't overcome all of this - and he still may as it remains to be seen. But say you're the HC going into a year where you have this kind of talented team and you need to get back to winning...are you taking that kind of gamble of having him or guys like Dalton or Flacco as your Week 1 starter? No way I am - not a chance. Especially when you already have a QB like Garoppolo, and also where you've made his and all the salaries on this team work for this season.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Ok, I'll rephrase.

Who will realistically be available to provide QB depth that would be better than Jimmy?

Nick Foles is the only potential QB that could come close and he doesn't know the system.

I'll gladly swap day 3 picks for Minshew and have him for a APY of $900K. the next two years... I'll gladly go get RG3 for pennies. It's depth not a starter.

Why people think we need to have the 5th highest paid QB as a bridge QB who more than likely either gets hurt or benched at some point is beyond me.

We don't have to cut him, just ask for a pay cut...he is NOT gonna get paid more than $12M for one yr of football in July on the open market.

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
I mean, maybe I was looking at it wrong back in Free Agency before the Niners made the big trade to move to #3.

In the Niners looking at bringing in a guy like Dalton or Flacco, I saw that as getting a decent backup (finally) to Garoppolo to protect against his health issues.

That's not to say they weren't considering all their options to improve the QB room. All possibilities: FA, trades & moving up in the draft like they ended up doing.

Are there viewpoints that if the Niners signed a guy like Dalton or Flacco, that Garoppolo would be gone as they had plans all along to move up to get Lance?

Yes, I saw where they have been intrigued with Lance well before FA began. I just can't imagine this regime would take that gamble and roll into this season with this talented roster with a QB group of say Dalton (or worse, Flacco) & Lance. That would be a huge gamble IMO, and one I couldn't see Shanahan & Lynch taking since they need to get back to winning & the postseason, and where they have the roster right now to do it.

If you roll into this season with Dalton & Lance, you'd better be hoping big time that Lance wins the starting job Week 1. Because w/ Dalton as your starter, no matter all the talent on this team, I easily see only a 7 maybe 8 win season at best (w/ Flacco, even less). And either of those guys starting could be a very real possibility given all discussed about Lance and him needing at least a little time to get acclimated (given how young he is, learning the NFL game/speed/opposing talent/running this scheme...just a lot of stuff for any rookie QB to get thrown into no matter how talented).

Not saying Lance couldn't overcome all of this - and he still may as it remains to be seen. But say you're the HC going into a year where you have this kind of talented team and you need to get back to winning...are you taking that kind of gamble of having him or guys like Dalton or Flacco as your Week 1 starter? No way I am - not a chance. Especially when you already have a QB like Garoppolo, and also where you've made his and all the salaries on this team work for this season.

Yes that exactly what was happening...if Dalton/Flacco/Teddy/Darnold were here Jimmy would not be. It would be Lance and one of them and it would cost peanuts at the most expensive position in the NFL. You can't keep resetting the market at multiple positions (gonna happen with Bosa next yr) and not have to cut the cord elsewhere.

They spent all off season trying to move off Jimmy, Kyle was watching film of all the rookies back in January. He almost traded for Stafford before the SB was even done.

If Lance looks like he can run the offense in TC, I wouldn't be shocked if they ask him to take a pay cut. He's not the future and shouldn't be making top 5 NFL player cash.

The difference between what this offense can do with rookie Lance and Jimmy isn't some vastly different thing. Go look at RG3 his rookie year. They will just run the snot out of the ball, have crazy personnel groups, and ask Lance to throw the ball 15-20x a game...it's not like Jimmy was throwing the ball a ton any way when they went to the SB. He was 20th in the league in passing attempts.

anyone thinking if we landed Dalton or Flacco that meant SF wasn't gonna move 3 1sts and get Lance is being silly.

If they couldn't get Stafford/Watson/Rogers it was gonna be moving up for a top rookie. Those other guys were bridge QBs, much like Jimmy just a s**t ton cheaper.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Ok, I'll rephrase.

Who will realistically be available to provide QB depth that would be better than Jimmy?

Nick Foles is the only potential QB that could come close and he doesn't know the system.

I'll gladly swap day 3 picks for Minshew and have him for a APY of $900K. the next two years... I'll gladly go get RG3 for pennies. It's depth not a starter.

Why people think we need to have the 5th highest paid QB as a bridge QB who more than likely either gets hurt or benched at some point is beyond me.

We don't have to cut him, just ask for a pay cut...he is NOT gonna get paid more than $12M for one yr of football in July on the open market.

I think Kyle wants to do everything he can to not have another losing season this year.

Cutting Jimmy G before the season would be a huge gamble.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

anyone thinking if we landed Dalton or Flacco that meant SF wasn't gonna move 3 1sts and get Lance is being silly.

If they couldn't get Stafford/Watson/Rogers it was gonna be moving up for a top rookie. Those other guys were bridge QBs, much like Jimmy just a s**t ton cheaper.

LOL at characterizing Stafford option A and Lance a consolation prize.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
anyone thinking if we landed Dalton or Flacco that meant SF wasn't gonna move 3 1sts and get Lance is being silly.

If they couldn't get Stafford/Watson/Rogers it was gonna be moving up for a top rookie. Those other guys were bridge QBs, much like Jimmy just a s**t ton cheaper.

LOL at characterizing Stafford option A and Lance a consolation prize.

Jfc you are obsessed with this.

I never knew this but apparently if Jimmy gets a serious injury during training camp or the regular season, his money for the 2021 and 2022 season would be guaranteed.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Ok, I'll rephrase.

Who will realistically be available to provide QB depth that would be better than Jimmy?

Nick Foles is the only potential QB that could come close and he doesn't know the system.

I'll gladly swap day 3 picks for Minshew and have him for a APY of $900K. the next two years... I'll gladly go get RG3 for pennies. It's depth not a starter.

Why people think we need to have the 5th highest paid QB as a bridge QB who more than likely either gets hurt or benched at some point is beyond me.

We don't have to cut him, just ask for a pay cut...he is NOT gonna get paid more than $12M for one yr of football in July on the open market.

It's not just about depth though. If they just wanted depth they'd cut Jimmy and bring back Mullens/Josh Johnson or roll with Rosen. They want a backup that can win games.