Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by NYniner85:
anyone thinking if we landed Dalton or Flacco that meant SF wasn't gonna move 3 1sts and get Lance is being silly.

If they couldn't get Stafford/Watson/Rogers it was gonna be moving up for a top rookie. Those other guys were bridge QBs, much like Jimmy just a s**t ton cheaper.

which is why Shanahan was reportedly p'd off when they didn't land Dalton. Because we suddenly got backed into the corner of paying a big bag of cash to Jimmy just to act as a bridge.

And that's a compliment to Jimmy! He's too good to be in this bridge role. The 49ers saw that, and tried to make moves to make that happen. It didn't work out, and now we are here, in this weird position, with a few too many assets at the QB spot.

and really, that's why these threads are so contentious, too. I'm sure it'll all sort itself out.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
LOL at characterizing Stafford option A and Lance a consolation prize.

OMG I new you'd get all hard over the word Stafford...it's like Praag from years ago with you lol.

It was just the timeline of it all dude. get a grip.

Originally posted by JTB1974:
I never knew this but apparently if Jimmy gets a serious injury during training camp or the regular season, his money for the 2021 and 2022 season would be guaranteed.

I believe he is only guaranteed $2.8 mil per season.

Originally posted by JTB1974:
I never knew this but apparently if Jimmy gets a serious injury during training camp or the regular season, his money for the 2021 and 2022 season would be guaranteed.

where you seeing this? All I see is $7.5M injury in guarantees for 2021 & 2022

Originally posted by NYniner85:
anyone thinking if we landed Dalton or Flacco that meant SF wasn't gonna move 3 1sts and get Lance is being silly.

If they couldn't get Stafford/Watson/Rogers it was gonna be moving up for a top rookie. Those other guys were bridge QBs, much like Jimmy just a s**t ton cheaper.

I made the mistake just now of unblocking and reading this and your previous post.

If you think this regime would be comfortable rolling out a Dalton or Flacco in Week 1, which would be a good chance of happening and nothing against Lance as we haven't even seen him yet, I couldn't disagree more with you.

Shanahan & Lynch already know they can win with Garoppolo and this roster. That part isn't complicated. They were half a Qtr. away from winning it all. But yes, he's got flaws & gets injured as we know.

These comments from you tell me all I need to know:

the most expensive position in the NFL. (It's the most important position in all of sports, so yeah, & there's a huge correlation of strong QB play & winning.)

"The difference between what this offense can do with rookie Lance and Jimmy isn't some vastly different thing." (You have no clue in making that statement - we haven't even seen Lance against top-level college talent, let along NFL talent.)

"anyone thinking if we landed Dalton or Flacco that meant SF wasn't gonna move 3 1sts and get Lance is being silly." (You must know exactly what Shanahan & Lynch were thinking - you must have some pretty good team sources.)

Agree to 100% disagree with you. My bad for taking the bait and will be the last time.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by JTB1974:
I never knew this but apparently if Jimmy gets a serious injury during training camp or the regular season, his money for the 2021 and 2022 season would be guaranteed.

I believe he is only guaranteed $2.8 mil per season.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by Jack49ers84:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
At that point you've decided Lance is gonna be the starter…so you then cut him and save $24M or over $50M for 2022…that's more money saved moving off one player than anyone else in the NFL! go swap day 3 picks for Minshew I don't care, he's a top end backup making like $500K the next two yrs.

we have literally all the leverage. No one is paying him $26M if cut, no one is paying him $15M if he's cut…there is simply no money available for him right now in the market. Teams have their QB rooms setup. He still gets top 12 money and now is a FA in 2022. He gets to determine his future not allow SF to trade him to whomever we want. I mean s**t throw in his incentives to get some cash back, I don't care…he shouldn't be making the money he's making.

I got everyone saying Jimmy starts until he gets hurt, wait so people assume he's gonna get hurt and you STILL want to pay him the 5th most cash in the league?! WTF are we doing here? That's like saying I'm gonna pay $100k for a used KIA that you KNOW is gonna breakdown.

Everything you been saying is 💯 No idea how some think Jimmy has any "leverage" if they ask him to take a pay cut, if he says no they can simply cut his ass, save all but what 2mil cap hit? (Could be wrong) And Jimmy is left looking for someplace to compete for the starting gig, already behind in the process at this point, on a salary that is very likely less than what the 49ers asked him to take a pay cut too.

Absolutely. People here act like Jimmy would have 10 teams immediately trying to sign him as a franchise QB if we were to cut him. The reality is that nobody will want him for more than $5 million on a one year deal at the most. He's Case Keenum with an injury problem. We'd be doing him a favor by asking him to only take a $10 million paycut instead of just cutting him outright. Even with a paycut, he'll probably make more this year with us than he will for the entire rest of his career.

All of this is correct, but I'm looking at this as if I were KS or Lynch. We've seen twice what's happened when Jimmy went down. We had really bad seasons.

From what KS said, or maybe it was Lynch, that they both talked to Jed and Jed was fine with paying that kind of money for Jimmy and Trey this year.

That tells me that KS and Lynch don't want another repeat of last year, or two years ago. Sure their job might still be safe, but it's gonna be on them if they get rid of Jimmy and Trey either doesn't look that good year 1 or gets injured.

I'm sure someone like Parag is thinking more like a fan would (would be nice to have that much extra cap rolled into next year) but you know coaches, GMs, are always for the most part in win now mode. This season needs to be a success and I think having both QBs on the roster makes that more likely.

if you take feelings and emotion out, it's pretty clear for this year

Go in with QB depth

Umm no. It's not just emotions or feelings. It would be like an extra 20 mil in cap we can have next season. So I definitely understand where posters like NY are coming from. I just rather go into the season knowing we're safe with 2 QBs. The only way I would get rid of Jimmy before week 1 is we get a solid offer for him, like a 1st round pick.

it is emotions as the 49ers are not worried about it. They are still signing players and jimmy's contract has no effect

Ok, just say you don't understand how the cap works and you don't understand that money can roll over into next season to be used.

Lol, I guess the 49ers don't understand it either

Looking forward to seeing this team going into the season with Garoppolo, Lance & Rosen/Sudfeld. That QB group is something that's exciting to think about vs. previous years for this team. Lance for the future, and, if it's Garoppolo at QB1 this season and he can stay healthy, this team will be incredibly tough to beat all season and I'll like this team's chances any game vs. any team.

Can't wait to see it all play out.

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
I made the mistake just now of unblocking and reading this and your previous post.

If you think this regime would be comfortable rolling out a Dalton or Flacco in Week 1, which would be a good chance of happening and nothing against Lance as we haven't even seen him yet, I couldn't disagree more with you.

Shanahan & Lynch already know they can win with Garoppolo and this roster. That part isn't complicated. They were half a Qtr. away from winning it all. But yes, he's got flaws & gets injured as we know.

These comments from you tell me all I need to know:

the most expensive position in the NFL. (It's the most important position in all of sports, so yeah, & there's a huge correlation of strong QB play & winning.)

"The difference between what this offense can do with rookie Lance and Jimmy isn't some vastly different thing." (You have no clue in making that statement - we haven't even seen Lance against top-level college talent, let along NFL talent.)

"anyone thinking if we landed Dalton or Flacco that meant SF wasn't gonna move 3 1sts and get Lance is being silly." (You must know exactly what Shanahan & Lynch were thinking - you must have some pretty good team sources.)

Agree to 100% disagree with you. My bad for taking the bait and will be the last time.

Dude if you think they DO NOT spend 3 1sts on a QB because they signed Dalton and Flacco you're out of your mind. Those guys mean absolutely nothing in regards to what they do at QB, outside of possibly moving off Jimmy.

IF they thought Jimmy was the answer they would not have tried everything in their power to replace him and ultimately burn YEARS of 1st rd picks, I mean it's the biggest trade up for this franchise ever. Getting backup QBs does not change the outcome.

I'm sorry do you truthy believe Jimmy should be the 5th highest PLAYER in football?

Man just use some common sense, instead of blind fandom for Jimmy. The truth of all this has been right in front of your face for months.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
where you seeing this? All I see is $7.5M injury in guarantees for 2021 & 2022

I read it from some fan writing in to Grant but glad it was false info. Because that would be crazy considering how injury prone he is.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
It's not just about depth though. If they just wanted depth they'd cut Jimmy and bring back Mullens/Josh Johnson or roll with Rosen. They want a backup that can win games.

Yes that's why they tried to get Dalton/Flacco/Teddy/Darnold etc. I'm not saying they need to cut Jimmy, I'm saying they have the leverage to get Jimmy under a proper cap hit in 2021. He shouldn't be making the money he's makes along with constantly being as injured as he is. IMO they're waiting to see Lance in TC before going down that road.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
I think Kyle wants to do everything he can to not have another losing season this year.

Cutting Jimmy G before the season would be a huge gamble.

again I'm not saying to cut him, I'm saying to ask him to take a pay cut...to very different things. He get's to be a FA which is a big deal for a player. Throw incentives on the new deal. He wants to compete and win the job well he will get paid if he does certain things at this point.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by JTB1974:
I never knew this but apparently if Jimmy gets a serious injury during training camp or the regular season, his money for the 2021 and 2022 season would be guaranteed.

I believe he is only guaranteed $2.8 mil per season.

I was mixing up his injury money with his remaining bonus money cap hits.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
It's not just about depth though. If they just wanted depth they'd cut Jimmy and bring back Mullens/Josh Johnson or roll with Rosen. They want a backup that can win games.

Yes that's why they tried to get Dalton/Flacco/Teddy/Darnold etc. I'm not saying they need to cut Jimmy, I'm saying they have the leverage to get Jimmy under a proper cap hit in 2021. He shouldn't be making the money he's makes along with constantly being as injured as he is. IMO they're waiting to see Lance in TC before going down that road.

I don't know. I'm still of the opinion that they wanted a Dalton/Flacco/Teddy/Darnold/etc. to back up Jimmy, and when that failed they decided to just go all-in on a top rookie QB.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by JTB1974:
I never knew this but apparently if Jimmy gets a serious injury during training camp or the regular season, his money for the 2021 and 2022 season would be guaranteed.

I believe he is only guaranteed $2.8 mil per season.

I was mixing up his injury money with his remaining bonus money cap hits.

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