Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Can you explain why we in your opinion, that we would need the capspace for this season? Who is out there that would be signed if we had a bunch of money freed up? Is there some star free agent currently that I am forgetting about?

Because cap space can be rolled over...you don't have to use saved cap space in 2021 for 2021, it doesn't disappear...it's players revenue.

Here's the scenarios:

-Ask Jimmy to rip up his contract and take a 1 yr $12M deal.... that would give SF an extra $41.4M total by 2022 (extra $14.4M that they can use if they want right now or not).
-They could straight up cut him before the season starts and that would give them $49.2M total by 2022 (extra $23.6M that they can use right now or not).
-They can do nothing and let him play out his $26.4M in 2021, pray he doesn't get hurt, and possibly watch him ride the bench at some point...then they cut/trade him in 2022, where they would only get $25.6M total in savings
-They could trade him mid season and whomever trades for him takes on his remaining cash. Once week 1 starts his contract is GTD for the year. No one is gonna take on that contract IMO.

IMO the best of both worlds is asking him to take a pay cut. He's still making top 12 QB cash this yr (currently he's the 5th highest paid player in football). He get's to compete to be the starter on a SB roster, and be a free agent in 2022.

If Bosa kills it this year you think he's gonna go into year 4 without a deal? Yeah right...We all think Warner/AA/Kittle got paid, well you haven't seen s**t with Bosa. Also we have nothing at CB in 2021 outside of two mid round rookies. Who knows with EDGE across with Ford, WR, depth etc.

Why anyone wouldn't want to get an extra $14M onto the books is beyond me.

Thank you.

I gotchu

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
I don't know. I'm still of the opinion that they wanted a Dalton/Flacco/Teddy/Darnold/etc. to back up Jimmy, and when that failed they decided to just go all-in on a top rookie QB.

This. 100%.

I believe the plan was to Always draft a rookie. Signing a veteran QB was for Insurance more than anything.

The plan might have always been to draft a rookie QB this past draft, yes. Moving up to #3 I'm not convinced was always the plan.

Originally posted by mayo49:
Would you cut it out, Gore49er.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Ahhh don't be that dude Gore.

Thanks guys but a Troll is gonna troll. Voice text, it's a motherf**ker

I wish Jimmy took a pay cut, maybe if the team sent him over some aging, blown out porn stars as part of an arrangement he could give us a break.

Since Jimmy's salary didn't screw us over in retaining all of the free agents we wanted to, I'd rather have him play as a starter or a back up that way we most likely will win games if he's in as opposed to another quarterback like Flacco or Dalton who are not close to being as good as him (they may of been years ago) and don't know the offense. The $20 million difference is worth winning a few extra games because as we all know getting a bye week or winning or losing the division, getting to the playoffs and potentially winning the SB is the most important thing. That $15-20 million difference is worth it in my opinion bc it didn't hinder us from making moves. We have our qb position covered and we are making the playoffs

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
I don't know. I'm still of the opinion that they wanted a Dalton/Flacco/Teddy/Darnold/etc. to back up Jimmy, and when that failed they decided to just go all-in on a top rookie QB.

This. 100%.

I believe the plan was to Always draft a rookie. Signing a veteran QB was for Insurance more than anything.

The plan might have always been to draft a rookie QB this past draft, yes. Moving up to #3 I'm not convinced was always the plan.

At the point we were looking at Flacco and Dalton the plan was to trade up to #3.

Originally posted by richterkbelmont:
Still think paying 26m to Jimmy is absurd and that money should be trimmed by half at least

he's gotta take a pay cut at some point

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Some team is bound to lose their starter - then we can think about unloading Jimmy.

Tingling penis telling you this Mayo?

No, just going by my other head.

does mayo come out of his penis you think?

You tell us!

She totally gushed and he had that smirk on his face before saying a word that he was going to go in for the kill.

good times

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
anyone thinking if we landed Dalton or Flacco that meant SF wasn't gonna move 3 1sts and get Lance is being silly.

If they couldn't get Stafford/Watson/Rogers it was gonna be moving up for a top rookie. Those other guys were bridge QBs, much like Jimmy just a s**t ton cheaper.

I made the mistake just now of unblocking and reading this and your previous post.

If you think this regime would be comfortable rolling out a Dalton or Flacco in Week 1, which would be a good chance of happening and nothing against Lance as we haven't even seen him yet, I couldn't disagree more with you.

Shanahan & Lynch already know they can win with Garoppolo and this roster. That part isn't complicated. They were half a Qtr. away from winning it all. But yes, he's got flaws & gets injured as we know.

These comments from you tell me all I need to know:

the most expensive position in the NFL. (It's the most important position in all of sports, so yeah, & there's a huge correlation of strong QB play & winning.)

"The difference between what this offense can do with rookie Lance and Jimmy isn't some vastly different thing." (You have no clue in making that statement - we haven't even seen Lance against top-level college talent, let along NFL talent.)

"anyone thinking if we landed Dalton or Flacco that meant SF wasn't gonna move 3 1sts and get Lance is being silly." (You must know exactly what Shanahan & Lynch were thinking - you must have some pretty good team sources.)

Agree to 100% disagree with you. My bad for taking the bait and will be the last time.

why did you block him?

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
anyone thinking if we landed Dalton or Flacco that meant SF wasn't gonna move 3 1sts and get Lance is being silly.

If they couldn't get Stafford/Watson/Rogers it was gonna be moving up for a top rookie. Those other guys were bridge QBs, much like Jimmy just a s**t ton cheaper.

LOL at characterizing Stafford option A and Lance a consolation prize.

bro i swear every post I read about Stafford has your name above it haha

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
I don't know. I'm still of the opinion that they wanted a Dalton/Flacco/Teddy/Darnold/etc. to back up Jimmy, and when that failed they decided to just go all-in on a top rookie QB.

This. 100%.

I believe the plan was to Always draft a rookie. Signing a veteran QB was for Insurance more than anything.

The plan might have always been to draft a rookie QB this past draft, yes. Moving up to #3 I'm not convinced was always the plan.

The plan was to upgrade the QB position. Whether it was by trade, FA, or draft. They may have been in on the Stafford talks but the Rams overpaid. They may have tried to upgrade the backup position with Dalton and Flacco, etc. The Bears overpaid. They decided at some point that the draft was their best shot to upgrade. They gave up a lot but got an extremely gifted and athletic talent at a premium price and age. They may not have planned for all of that because of outside factors (other teams, cap reasons, etc.). What they did do was plan to upgrade the position as a whole and they adapted to what other teams were doing and what the players they may have wanted were doing. In the end they accomplished their goal and upgraded the QB position.

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
anyone thinking if we landed Dalton or Flacco that meant SF wasn't gonna move 3 1sts and get Lance is being silly.

If they couldn't get Stafford/Watson/Rogers it was gonna be moving up for a top rookie. Those other guys were bridge QBs, much like Jimmy just a s**t ton cheaper.

I made the mistake just now of unblocking and reading this and your previous post.

If you think this regime would be comfortable rolling out a Dalton or Flacco in Week 1, which would be a good chance of happening and nothing against Lance as we haven't even seen him yet, I couldn't disagree more with you.

Shanahan & Lynch already know they can win with Garoppolo and this roster. That part isn't complicated. They were half a Qtr. away from winning it all. But yes, he's got flaws & gets injured as we know.

These comments from you tell me all I need to know:

the most expensive position in the NFL. (It's the most important position in all of sports, so yeah, & there's a huge correlation of strong QB play & winning.)

"The difference between what this offense can do with rookie Lance and Jimmy isn't some vastly different thing." (You have no clue in making that statement - we haven't even seen Lance against top-level college talent, let along NFL talent.)

"anyone thinking if we landed Dalton or Flacco that meant SF wasn't gonna move 3 1sts and get Lance is being silly." (You must know exactly what Shanahan & Lynch were thinking - you must have some pretty good team sources.)

Agree to 100% disagree with you. My bad for taking the bait and will be the last time.

why did you block him?

It takes a lot for me to consider blocking someone. Other than the obvious trolls who occasionally drop into this forum. I hate doing it and it's a very last resort for me.

Yet in reading quite a bit of stuff that reveals some things about football knowledge to me, and then to keep reading stuff over and over again as if trying to get their 2 cents in as much as possible to make sure they're "heard", enough can become enough.

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
I don't know. I'm still of the opinion that they wanted a Dalton/Flacco/Teddy/Darnold/etc. to back up Jimmy, and when that failed they decided to just go all-in on a top rookie QB.

This. 100%.

I believe the plan was to Always draft a rookie. Signing a veteran QB was for Insurance more than anything.

The plan might have always been to draft a rookie QB this past draft, yes. Moving up to #3 I'm not convinced was always the plan.

The plan was to upgrade the QB position. Whether it was by trade, FA, or draft. They may have been in on the Stafford talks but the Rams overpaid. They may have tried to upgrade the backup position with Dalton and Flacco, etc. The Bears overpaid. They decided at some point that the draft was their best shot to upgrade. They gave up a lot but got an extremely gifted and athletic talent at a premium price and age. They may not have planned for all of that because of outside factors (other teams, cap reasons, etc.). What they did do was plan to upgrade the position as a whole and they adapted to what other teams were doing and what the players they may have wanted were doing. In the end they accomplished their goal and upgraded the QB position.

The plan was to upgrade the QB room, yes. To me, it was about time after seeing way too much of Mullens & Beathard over these past few years. It was also about time considering Garoppolo's health issues.

Going into this year, I'm very glad they did just that and now it's Garoppolo, Lance & Rosen/Sudfeld. Much, much better and for this season, let's roll!

Originally posted by Howlett49:
The plan was to upgrade the QB position. Whether it was by trade, FA, or draft. They may have been in on the Stafford talks but the Rams overpaid. They may have tried to upgrade the backup position with Dalton and Flacco, etc. The Bears overpaid. They decided at some point that the draft was their best shot to upgrade. They gave up a lot but got an extremely gifted and athletic talent at a premium price and age. They may not have planned for all of that because of outside factors (other teams, cap reasons, etc.). What they did do was plan to upgrade the position as a whole and they adapted to what other teams were doing and what the players they may have wanted were doing. In the end they accomplished their goal and upgraded the QB position.

Perfectly said. Hear hear

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by Jack49ers84:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
At that point you've decided Lance is gonna be the starter…so you then cut him and save $24M or over $50M for 2022…that's more money saved moving off one player than anyone else in the NFL! go swap day 3 picks for Minshew I don't care, he's a top end backup making like $500K the next two yrs.

we have literally all the leverage. No one is paying him $26M if cut, no one is paying him $15M if he's cut…there is simply no money available for him right now in the market. Teams have their QB rooms setup. He still gets top 12 money and now is a FA in 2022. He gets to determine his future not allow SF to trade him to whomever we want. I mean s**t throw in his incentives to get some cash back, I don't care…he shouldn't be making the money he's making.

I got everyone saying Jimmy starts until he gets hurt, wait so people assume he's gonna get hurt and you STILL want to pay him the 5th most cash in the league?! WTF are we doing here? That's like saying I'm gonna pay $100k for a used KIA that you KNOW is gonna breakdown.

Everything you been saying is 💯 No idea how some think Jimmy has any "leverage" if they ask him to take a pay cut, if he says no they can simply cut his ass, save all but what 2mil cap hit? (Could be wrong) And Jimmy is left looking for someplace to compete for the starting gig, already behind in the process at this point, on a salary that is very likely less than what the 49ers asked him to take a pay cut too.

Absolutely. People here act like Jimmy would have 10 teams immediately trying to sign him as a franchise QB if we were to cut him. The reality is that nobody will want him for more than $5 million on a one year deal at the most. He's Case Keenum with an injury problem. We'd be doing him a favor by asking him to only take a $10 million paycut instead of just cutting him outright. Even with a paycut, he'll probably make more this year with us than he will for the entire rest of his career.

All of this is correct, but I'm looking at this as if I were KS or Lynch. We've seen twice what's happened when Jimmy went down. We had really bad seasons.

From what KS said, or maybe it was Lynch, that they both talked to Jed and Jed was fine with paying that kind of money for Jimmy and Trey this year.

That tells me that KS and Lynch don't want another repeat of last year, or two years ago. Sure their job might still be safe, but it's gonna be on them if they get rid of Jimmy and Trey either doesn't look that good year 1 or gets injured.

I'm sure someone like Parag is thinking more like a fan would (would be nice to have that much extra cap rolled into next year) but you know coaches, GMs, are always for the most part in win now mode. This season needs to be a success and I think having both QBs on the roster makes that more likely.

if you take feelings and emotion out, it's pretty clear for this year

Go in with QB depth

Umm no. It's not just emotions or feelings. It would be like an extra 20 mil in cap we can have next season. So I definitely understand where posters like NY are coming from. I just rather go into the season knowing we're safe with 2 QBs. The only way I would get rid of Jimmy before week 1 is we get a solid offer for him, like a 1st round pick.

it is emotions as the 49ers are not worried about it. They are still signing players and jimmy's contract has no effect

Ok, just say you don't understand how the cap works and you don't understand that money can roll over into next season to be used.

Lol, I guess the 49ers don't understand it either

Oh I'm sure they didn't go over those options and obviously never looked to trade Jimmy.

Or is this the part where you're gonna act like you are just being sarcastic and you understand what's going on...

this is the part where i don't need to make things up. i take what it is at face value and go from there

49ers ok'd to pay both Jimmy and Lance
Jimmy salary had no impact to signing anyone or extending anyone

would it be nice to gain extra money yes, but the odds are slim of that happening. Why wait this long when we could have used that money at skill positions awhile ago

Originally posted by SkyZer0:
why did you block him?

Apparently my football knowledge isn't up to his standards. Aka he doesn't like how talk about Jimmy.

is what it is. I don't block anyone unless it gets personal. Whatevs no hard feeling with LottDMontanaO.

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
It takes a lot for me to consider blocking someone. Other than the obvious trolls who occasionally drop into this forum. I hate doing it and it's a very last resort for me.

Yet in reading quite a bit of stuff that reveals some things about football knowledge to me, and then to keep reading stuff over and over again as if trying to get their 2 cents in as much as possible to make sure they're "heard", enough can become enough.

Come on man, don't be that guy. Your last 50+ posts can be summed up with, "when Jimmy is healthy, plays the whole game start to finish, the team scores 29 PPG, and is very hard to beat." Yes, NY says the same stuff over and over again. So do you. So do I. So does everyone else. The last 1000+ pages haven't offered anything original. It's the off-season.