Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by socal1632:
Chandler Jones has requested a trade. Dump Jimmy and grab him and it's Super Bowl baby.

I like your scenario - I'd definitely cream my pants.

they will never trade him to us. never mind the financial issues with it. you want to keep bosa and deebo? i know. other teams manage to find a way to do these things.. but that is an area where we usually are in the outside looking in. then we hear in hindsight how. we had great interest

ya, the only way they trade him to us if we really pay a premium. giving up another several years of 1st round picks would be a huge mistake.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I just realized that I read your quote wrong. You wrote bonza!. Not bonzai. Not sure what bonza means.

Australian word, essentially means excellent.

Someone replied to me with G'day.

Giraffes on bikes we need TC to begin don't we.

Originally posted by TownNiner:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I just realized that I read your quote wrong. You wrote bonza!. Not bonzai. Not sure what bonza means.

Australian word, essentially means excellent.

Someone replied to me with G'day.

Giraffes on bikes we need TC to begin don't we.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Dalton at $5M Jimmy at $26.4M the difference in play vs price isn't even remotely close. That's the point dude.

Dalton wasn't gonna be offered a chance to start here, if he was, he would be in SF, not Chicago. What QB in their right mind would pass on starting for Kyle to go play for the Bears?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Jack49ers84:
The trade-up was already in the works when Flacco visited. They clearly wanted him as a cheaper bridge for the rookie they were trading up to draft.

This, Lynch said they had been in the works with Miami weeks before the trade happened…they had to wait for Miami to find a 3rd team (Philly).

joe visited like a week before the trade officially happen.

It's called covering your bases. Had Miami not found the 3rd team, you'd have been stuck with just Jimmy.

What if Lance wasn't ready to go in year 1? You don't turn over a team with Super Bowl aspirations to a bridge QB that just got signed.

In my opinion, the plans were as such:

Plan A: Keep Jimmy, sign/trade for an upgrade at backup(Dalton/Teddy/Darnold), use 1st on BPA.
Plan B: Keep Jimmy, trade up for Lance, sign cheap veteran backup that could be easily released in case trade up falls through.
Plan C: Keep Jimmy, sign cheap veteran backup(Flacco/Sudfeld), use 1st on best QB available.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by socal1632:
Chandler Jones has requested a trade. Dump Jimmy and grab him and it's Super Bowl baby.

I like your scenario - I'd definitely cream my pants.

they will never trade him to us. never mind the financial issues with it. you want to keep bosa and deebo? i know. other teams manage to find a way to do these things.. but that is an area where we usually are in the outside looking in. then we hear in hindsight how. we had great interest

Yeah, I know - Cards would never trade him to us.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Dalton wasn't gonna be offered a chance to start here, if he was, he would be in SF, not Chicago. What QB in their right mind would pass on starting for Kyle to go play for the Bears?

Did we actually offer him a deal? All I heard was we sniffed around at all these backup QBs. We brought in Flacco (a week before the trade, which was already in the process of happening), but did we offer him anything?

Also why wouldn't Dalton start here if it's Lance being drafted? That's really not that much different then the Jimmy scenario happening....so he's gonna start over Fields, but wouldn't with Lance?

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
It's called covering your bases. Had Miami not found the 3rd team, you'd have been stuck with just Jimmy.

What if Lance wasn't ready to go in year 1? You don't turn over a team with Super Bowl aspirations to a bridge QB that just got signed.

In my opinion, the plans were as such:

Plan A: Keep Jimmy, sign/trade for an upgrade at backup(Dalton/Teddy/Darnold), use 1st on BPA.
Plan B: Keep Jimmy, trade up for Lance, sign cheap veteran backup that could be easily released in case trade up falls through.
Plan C: Keep Jimmy, sign cheap veteran backup(Flacco/Sudfeld), use 1st on best QB available.

I get covering your ass...IMO they were never gonna go into the season without doing everything in their power to upgrade from Jimmy. Having a vet backup and Jimmy would have been worst case scenario and highly unlikely.

Can you imagine paying like $32M this yr for Jimmy and Dalton lol gross.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Did we actually offer him a deal? All I heard was we sniffed around at all these backup QBs. We brought in Flacco (a week before the trade, which was already in the process of happening), but did we offer him anything?

Also why wouldn't Dalton start here if it's Lance being drafted? That's really not that much different then the Jimmy scenario happening....so he's gonna start over Fields, but wouldn't with Lance?

Because the Bears are a poorly run team? Why would you sign Dalton in the first place when you have Foles? They are essentially the exact same player.

There has to be mutual interest before deals get offered. I highly doubt a team calls Dalton's rep and just says "Hey, 1 yr deal for $5 million" before talking about his willingness to backup vs competing to start.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Because the Bears are a poorly run team? Why would you sign Dalton in the first place when you have Foles? They are essentially the exact same player.

There has to be mutual interest before deals get offered. I highly doubt a team calls Dalton's rep and just says "Hey, 1 yr deal for $5 million" before talking about his willingness to backup vs competing to start.

true

I will say, I refuse to believe that SF was ever gonna roll into 2021 with Dalton or Flacco plus Jimmy and say we're good to go lol gross. Your depth get's a little better BUT you don't improve at what matters most and you've invested stupid money (in a covid strapped yr) on avg players. I just don't think our FO/Kyle are that stupid.

I refuse to believe that if they sign one of those two or some other vet backup, that they then don't trade 3 1sts for Lance....the plan was always to get better at the starting position. You don't make a move like that based on what you have at the backup position.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I will say, I refuse to believe that SF was ever gonna roll into 2021 with Dalton or Flacco plus Jimmy and say we're good to go lol gross. Your depth get's a little better BUT you don't improve at what matters most and you've invested stupid money (in a covid strapped yr) on avg players. I just don't think our FO/Kyle are that stupid.

I refuse to believe that if they sign one of those two or some other vet backup, that they then don't trade 3 1sts for Lance....the plan was always to get better at the starting position. You don't make a move like that based on what you have at the backup position.

I believe this as well. Had they simply brought in any veteran it would be used as a "cheaper" bridge QB to the rookie they were still going to draft and groom over a couple of years. The goal would have been to trade Jimmy at that time for further draft compensation while wiping a big salary off the books and perhaps, be more aggressive in FA.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I will say, I refuse to believe that SF was ever gonna roll into 2021 with Dalton or Flacco plus Jimmy and say we're good to go lol gross. Your depth get's a little better BUT you don't improve at what matters most and you've invested stupid money (in a covid strapped yr) on avg players. I just don't think our FO/Kyle are that stupid.

I refuse to believe that if they sign one of those two or some other vet backup, that they then don't trade 3 1sts for Lance....the plan was always to get better at the starting position. You don't make a move like that based on what you have at the backup position.

I believe this as well. Had they simply brought in any veteran it would be used as a "cheaper" bridge QB to the rookie they were still going to draft and groom over a couple of years. The goal would have been to trade Jimmy at that time for further draft compensation while wiping a big salary off the books and perhaps, be more aggressive in FA.

I can't see Kyle handing the team to a bridge QB with no experience in his system when they are trying to push for a Super Bowl this season.

Not many of the guys we signed to 1 year deals in late March/early April would have done so with Dalton or Flacco on as the starting QB.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

LMAO, like a decade ago. He is 24-40 over the past 5 years.

Winning is a team stat, duh.

Your proposal to bring in Dalton to have the best player at QB does not make sense because Dalton is not that good.

The point is that Kyle probably could not win 10 games in 2021 with Dalton and he knows he can with Jimmy.

Dalton at $5M Jimmy at $26.4M the difference in play vs price isn't even remotely close. That's the point dude.

They can have a losing season with Rosen, why bother getting Dalton?

Kyle knows he can win in the regular season and playoffs in 2021 with Jimmy G and that he probably can't with Dalton. That seems to be a more important point.

Originally posted by random49er:

For starters Stafford wasn't a free agent. You'd need to get in contact with the team more than anything. Beyond that, you have no idea who told what reps exactly what unless you are alot more connected to NFL front offices than we all can tell. Have you tapped people's cell phones, FBI-style? Because otherwise that's just an errant statement you have no clue about.

2ndly,...let it be known that "Lance plan A" is your new line that is just plain weak,...because your original line was that we had to hear about over and over again last season was "we'd never be interested in a QB like Stafford",...and it's a line that, let's be honest, completely collapsed from under you. Let's just keep the score accurate. This was your argument. That was your position. Not who's option A or B after a shocking trade that surprised you.

Kyle could have and would have gotten Stafford if he wanted him. He showed no interest to Stafford or the Lions.

If you want to believe Kyle wanted Stafford over Lance and got outplayed, that's fine, I do not believe that.