Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
If healthy, the position groups on offense could definitely be vastly improved.

Running game: Mostert/Coleman/McKinnon vs Mostert/Sermon/Gallman...advantage 2021
Oline: Advantage 2021
WR: rookie Deebo/Sanders/Bourne vs Deebo/Aiyuk/Hurd...advantage 2021

Also, remember in 2019 this team didn't have Sanders for the first six games of the season - he joined the team in Game 7. So before Sanders that year, you had at WR Deebo the rookie & Bourne...and then guys like Goodwin, Pettis, & James .

We haven't even seen the position groups on O yet for this year. This RB group could definitely be better (and hopefully healthier). The OL should be clearly better with a C like Mack calling out & organizing things along with being a better talent at C himself. Banks, assuming he wins RG, should no doubt be an upgrade over Person. And as much as I liked Staley, Williams right now is a better LT than Staley was in 2019 (not completely fair as Staley had the injury - but Williams is a stud).

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Well agree to disagree there....IMO the only possible way we're sitting with Dalton/Jimmy right now is if they weren't able to move up in the draft or trade for a better vet. I wouldn't be shocked if they actually drafted Mac Jones if they stayed at 12. They'd be right around 2/3rd in the league in money spent on QBs in that scenario...with freaking Dalton/Jimmy lol woof.

They weren't signing any vet backup until after the draft IMO.

FWIW Tony Pauline of PFN said this...

https://www.ninersnation.com/2021/5/7/22425087/49ers-report-shanahan-wanted-dalton-and-was-upset-when-he-got-away

They wanted to sign Andy Dalton in free agency as their veteran quarterback and then trade Garoppolo and draft Lance. I'm told Shanahan was pretty upset when they did not land Dalton

I do get why Dalton chose the Bears at that time....now he's in the same situation he would have been if he went to SF.

I 100% understand why Dalton chose the Bears. I just think the Bears were idiots for choosing him.

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
My dude signed a deal with TM.

https://www.travismathew.com/discover/stories/travismathew-welcomes-jimmy-garoppolo-to-the-family

Starting to see this brand more.. i like the styles and color combos they are coming out with

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
My dude signed a deal with TM.

https://www.travismathew.com/discover/stories/travismathew-welcomes-jimmy-garoppolo-to-the-family

Starting to see this brand more.. i like the styles and color combos they are coming out with

+1

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Well agree to disagree there....IMO the only possible way we're sitting with Dalton/Jimmy right now is if they weren't able to move up in the draft or trade for a better vet. I wouldn't be shocked if they actually drafted Mac Jones if they stayed at 12. They'd be right around 2/3rd in the league in money spent on QBs in that scenario...with freaking Dalton/Jimmy lol woof.

They weren't signing any vet backup until after the draft IMO.

FWIW Tony Pauline of PFN said this...

https://www.ninersnation.com/2021/5/7/22425087/49ers-report-shanahan-wanted-dalton-and-was-upset-when-he-got-away

They wanted to sign Andy Dalton in free agency as their veteran quarterback and then trade Garoppolo and draft Lance. I'm told Shanahan was pretty upset when they did not land Dalton

I do get why Dalton chose the Bears at that time....now he's in the same situation he would have been if he went to SF.

I 100% understand why Dalton chose the Bears. I just think the Bears were idiots for choosing him.

I guess they feel Dalton is a better starter than Foles and they had no idea they would be able to get Fields

They very well could have been stuck with Foles as their starter if they didn't sign Dalton when they did and couldn't land Fields in the draft.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Players clearly trust kyle and Co to make a competitive roster…if it's Dalton and Lance I don't see much of a difference.

You think Dalton could win the division and the NFCC this year with the 49ers?

You think Dalton or Jimmy actually plays a full season as a starter (or Jimmy even stays healthy for that matter)? Both are bridge QBs and eventual backups on their current teams. Stop looking at it as Jimmy or whatever backup they would have signed is suppose to lead the team to the NFCC. This is Lance's squad whether you like it or not.

Hopefully. There is no guarantee Trey even starts in 2021 though. If for some reason he isn't ready, I'd much rather have Jimmy than Dalton, regardless of cost.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Well agree to disagree there....IMO the only possible way we're sitting with Dalton/Jimmy right now is if they weren't able to move up in the draft or trade for a better vet. I wouldn't be shocked if they actually drafted Mac Jones if they stayed at 12. They'd be right around 2/3rd in the league in money spent on QBs in that scenario...with freaking Dalton/Jimmy lol woof.

They weren't signing any vet backup until after the draft IMO.

FWIW Tony Pauline of PFN said this...

https://www.ninersnation.com/2021/5/7/22425087/49ers-report-shanahan-wanted-dalton-and-was-upset-when-he-got-away

They wanted to sign Andy Dalton in free agency as their veteran quarterback and then trade Garoppolo and draft Lance. I'm told Shanahan was pretty upset when they did not land Dalton

I do get why Dalton chose the Bears at that time....now he's in the same situation he would have been if he went to SF.

I 100% understand why Dalton chose the Bears. I just think the Bears were idiots for choosing him.

The Bears actually accomplished what the Niners were trying to do. Sign Dalton as a bridge and draft the future. That was pretty much what the Niners wanted to do. That way they could trade Jimmy and get out from under his 26m cap hit. They'd much rather be paying Dalton 10-12m while pretty much doing the same thing Jimmy is going to do. Which is be the bridge QB to Trey. So are the Niners idiots too?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I guess they feel Dalton is a better starter than Foles and they had no idea they would be able to get Fields

They very well could have been stuck with Foles as their starter if they didn't sign Dalton when they did and couldn't land Fields in the draft.

Obviously they think he is better...but is he? haha

Plus, they are pretty much stuck with Foles anyway since his cap hit would be close to $15 mil if released.

Originally posted by Howlett49:
The Bears actually accomplished what the Niners were trying to do. Sign Dalton as a bridge and draft the future. That was pretty much what the Niners wanted to do. That way they could trade Jimmy and get out from under his 26m cap hit. They'd much rather be paying Dalton 10-12m while pretty much doing the same thing Jimmy is going to do. Which is be the bridge QB to Trey. So are the Niners idiots too?

Jimmy is a bridge that can potentially win a ring. Dalton is a bridge that will probably go 2-5 until Fields is ready enough.

If the Niners had a QB on the roster of the same skill level that they can't get rid of (that they had just signed the year before), then yes, I'd consider them idiots, too. The situations aren't the same.

Originally posted by Howlett49:
The Bears actually accomplished what the Niners were trying to do. Sign Dalton as a bridge and draft the future. That was pretty much what the Niners wanted to do. That way they could trade Jimmy and get out from under his 26m cap hit. They'd much rather be paying Dalton 10-12m while pretty much doing the same thing Jimmy is going to do. Which is be the bridge QB to Trey. So are the Niners idiots too?

So you know exactly that "The Bears actually accomplished what the Niners were trying to do" - how do you know this? You have some inside sources with the team? I'm here in the Bay Area and I haven't head at all in listening & seeing on numerous radio/TV/media outlets that the Niners were definitely trying to get a Dalton (or Flacco) and then also make the trade up to #3. I have heard that the Niners were looking at some point for a better backup situation that they've had in the last few years - a veteran backup to Garoppolo, like a Dalton or Flacco, that would definitely give this team a much better chance if JG went down than Mullens or Beathard ever could.

I'll ask you straight up - would you be comfortable with Dalton or Flacco starting this season as QB1 for this team as there's a good chance that could happen considering Lance is a rookie? I wouldn't at all want either of those guys at QB1 for this team, and it has everything to do with winning many games.

I guess we'll see what happens in Chicago this year. They have Dalton and he's been named QB1 with Fields behind him. We'll see how the Bears do going with Dalton. And I've always liked Dalton somewhat and what he's done as a QB.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Jimmy is a bridge that can potentially win a ring. Dalton is a bridge that will probably go 2-5 until Fields is ready enough.

If the Niners had a QB on the roster of the same skill level that they can't get rid of (that they had just signed the year before), then yes, I'd consider them idiots, too. The situations aren't the same.

Agreed. And looking forward to seeing Garoppolo rise to the challenge this season. Also hoping for Lance to get out of the gate as strong as possible starting his NFL career.

Originally posted by Scooper1:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
There is no chance the running game has "improved" since 2019, let alone vastly improved. Is the offensive line better this season? Should be. Is it substantially better? Don't see it. WR is a wash. Is Aiyuk better now than Emmanuel Sanders was. Debatable, and I Love Aiyuk.

I just dont see this vast improvement. It doesn't exist.. Saying what we have now is vastly better is just another way to minimize what Jimmy had around him in 2019.

O-line is the biggest improvement and should be significant. Loved joe but there were times he was a liability Trent is a pretty big upgrade at the points in their careers they were at. Mack is a significant upgrade to richburg and has intricate knowledge of the system. The right side will be interesting I believe banks will be on par with the chance to be a significant upgrade. If mcglinchy does not improve significantly from two years ago coming off a terrible year he may be done with the 49ers. There should be a serious fire under his ass. Running back is absolutely upgraded with Trey sermon and we still have have the same lead back but he should be fully healthy. Wide receiver you can call a wash if you'd like but Debo didn't figure it out till 75% through the season and by all accounts aiyuk is poised to break out as a top 10 we in the league. Tight end is a wash but also the best in the league. Quarterback is also a significant upgrade we have jimmy playing for his future nfl career (serious fire under his ass) or a rookie with physical skills that are light years ahead of most.

play calling is one area I could see 2019 being better. Shanny was on fire literally every game. During the off-season other teams study and catch up plus there are about 3 additional coaches running the same stuff copycat league. I am confident that shanny will adjust and come with new material. Especially if Trey gets on the field after 6-7 games.

nice post

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by Howlett49:
The Bears actually accomplished what the Niners were trying to do. Sign Dalton as a bridge and draft the future. That was pretty much what the Niners wanted to do. That way they could trade Jimmy and get out from under his 26m cap hit. They'd much rather be paying Dalton 10-12m while pretty much doing the same thing Jimmy is going to do. Which is be the bridge QB to Trey. So are the Niners idiots too?

Jimmy is a bridge that can potentially win a ring. Dalton is a bridge that will probably go 2-5 until Fields is ready enough.

If the Niners had a QB on the roster of the same skill level that they can't get rid of (that they had just signed the year before), then yes, I'd consider them idiots, too. The situations aren't the same.

Yeah no situation is ever the exact same. So because they already had Foles and they signed Dalton they are idiots? I get that either one of those guys might not be better than the other so that was kind of a wash signing. I also don't think they thought they'd have a chance at one of the top QB prospects in the draft. So they needed two starter level QBs to compete because they got rid of Mitch. Not saying that either Foles or Dalton are that great. It just doesn't seem like an idiot move to strengthen their QB room prior to the draft not knowing they were going to land a top QB. Essentially the Bears ended up doing what the Niners were trying to do whether they meant to or not.

Jimmy is better than Dalton and Jimmy could potentially win a ring yes. It just seems like Jimmy is not going to be given that opportunity because they will be rolling with Trey at some point this season. So basically Jimmy will be holding the clipboard just like Andy would have.

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Well agree to disagree there....IMO the only possible way we're sitting with Dalton/Jimmy right now is if they weren't able to move up in the draft or trade for a better vet. I wouldn't be shocked if they actually drafted Mac Jones if they stayed at 12. They'd be right around 2/3rd in the league in money spent on QBs in that scenario...with freaking Dalton/Jimmy lol woof.

They weren't signing any vet backup until after the draft IMO.

FWIW Tony Pauline of PFN said this...

https://www.ninersnation.com/2021/5/7/22425087/49ers-report-shanahan-wanted-dalton-and-was-upset-when-he-got-away

They wanted to sign Andy Dalton in free agency as their veteran quarterback and then trade Garoppolo and draft Lance. I'm told Shanahan was pretty upset when they did not land Dalton

I do get why Dalton chose the Bears at that time....now he's in the same situation he would have been if he went to SF.

I 100% understand why Dalton chose the Bears. I just think the Bears were idiots for choosing him.

The Bears actually accomplished what the Niners were trying to do. Sign Dalton as a bridge and draft the future. That was pretty much what the Niners wanted to do. That way they could trade Jimmy and get out from under his 26m cap hit. They'd much rather be paying Dalton 10-12m while pretty much doing the same thing Jimmy is going to do. Which is be the bridge QB to Trey. So are the Niners idiots too?

except the niners org is not the bears;

s**t, look at what the 49ers were able to do in terms of re singing so many key pieces as well as trading up to #3 overall simultaneously to grab their franchise quarterback of the future

we seriously have NOTHING to complain about as niner fans. other teams/fans would kill to be in the spot we're in; yet, there always is room for complaint for some reason lol

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Jimmy is a bridge that can potentially win a ring. Dalton is a bridge that will probably go 2-5 until Fields is ready enough.

If the Niners had a QB on the roster of the same skill level that they can't get rid of (that they had just signed the year before), then yes, I'd consider them idiots, too. The situations aren't the same.

Agreed. And looking forward to seeing Garoppolo rise to the challenge this season. Also hoping for Lance to get out of the gate as strong as possible starting his NFL career.