Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by SkyZer0:
except the niners org is not the bears;

s**t, look at what the 49ers were able to do in terms of re singing so many key pieces as well as trading up to #3 overall simultaneously to grab their franchise quarterback of the future

we seriously have NOTHING to complain about as niner fans. other teams/fans would kill to be in the spot we're in; yet, there always is room for complaint for some reason lol

Agreed, SkyZer0. I'm glad it worked out the way it did. Garoppolo + Lance + Rosen or Sudfeld plus all the other talent signed/re-signed/drafted...let's roll! Looking forward to this squad taking on any team in the league.

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:
except the niners org is not the bears;

s**t, look at what the 49ers were able to do in terms of re singing so many key pieces as well as trading up to #3 overall simultaneously to grab their franchise quarterback of the future

we seriously have NOTHING to complain about as niner fans. other teams/fans would kill to be in the spot we're in; yet, there always is room for complaint for some reason lol

Agreed, SkyZer0. I'm glad it worked out the way it did. Garoppolo + Lance + Rosen or Sudfeld plus all the other talent signed/re-signed/drafted...let's roll! Looking forward to this squad taking on any team in the league.

a key factor we're forgetting; a true homefield advantage again with fans

going to be sooo f**king hype for us but most importantly for the players

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by Howlett49:
The Bears actually accomplished what the Niners were trying to do. Sign Dalton as a bridge and draft the future. That was pretty much what the Niners wanted to do. That way they could trade Jimmy and get out from under his 26m cap hit. They'd much rather be paying Dalton 10-12m while pretty much doing the same thing Jimmy is going to do. Which is be the bridge QB to Trey. So are the Niners idiots too?

So you know exactly that "The Bears actually accomplished what the Niners were trying to do" - how do you know this? You have some inside sources with the team? I'm here in the Bay Area and I haven't head at all in listening & seeing on numerous radio/TV/media outlets that the Niners were definitely trying to get a Dalton (or Flacco) and then also make the trade up to #3. I have heard that the Niners were looking at some point for a better backup situation that they've had in the last few years - a veteran backup to Garoppolo, like a Dalton or Flacco, that would definitely give this team a much better chance if JG went down than Mullens or Beathard ever could.

I'll ask you straight up - would you be comfortable with Dalton or Flacco starting this season as QB1 for this team as there's a good chance that could happen considering Lance is a rookie? I wouldn't at all want either of those guys at QB1 for this team, and it has everything to do with winning many games.

I guess we'll see what happens in Chicago this year. They have Dalton and he's been named QB1 with Fields behind him. We'll see how the Bears do going with Dalton. And I've always liked Dalton somewhat and what he's done as a QB.

No I never know exactly what the teams are thinking. I read as much as I can and I form my own opinions from what I see them do (transactions) and what is reported. I would think that they were interested in Dalton (reported). If they got Dalton and were able to trade to 3 then there is no way they keep Jimmy. At that point they know they're getting Lance and Jimmy becomes expendable because they already got a cheaper backup.

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:
except the niners org is not the bears;

s**t, look at what the 49ers were able to do in terms of re singing so many key pieces as well as trading up to #3 overall simultaneously to grab their franchise quarterback of the future

we seriously have NOTHING to complain about as niner fans. other teams/fans would kill to be in the spot we're in; yet, there always is room for complaint for some reason lol

Agreed, SkyZer0. I'm glad it worked out the way it did. Garoppolo + Lance + Rosen or Sudfeld plus all the other talent signed/re-signed/drafted...let's roll! Looking forward to this squad taking on any team in the league.

a key factor we're forgetting; a true homefield advantage again with fans

going to be sooo f**king hype for us but most importantly for the players

I know - can't wait to see the fans back out there (I'll hopefully be at some games).

Both Bears and Niners are doing the right thing. Don't just give the rookie the starting job because they were drafted in the first round after a big trade up. First they need to earn it by beating a veteran.
Andy Dalton has had his winning seasons in the past and went to the playoffs.
Jimmy G has won 70% of his games and went to a SuperBowl.
You can say the same with Mac vs Cam.
Fields and Lance must beat those guys first to earn the starting job.
Different than Zach Wilson who have absolutely no competition, literally their roster has 0 QB with NFL experience.

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Well agree to disagree there....IMO the only possible way we're sitting with Dalton/Jimmy right now is if they weren't able to move up in the draft or trade for a better vet. I wouldn't be shocked if they actually drafted Mac Jones if they stayed at 12. They'd be right around 2/3rd in the league in money spent on QBs in that scenario...with freaking Dalton/Jimmy lol woof.

They weren't signing any vet backup until after the draft IMO.

FWIW Tony Pauline of PFN said this...

https://www.ninersnation.com/2021/5/7/22425087/49ers-report-shanahan-wanted-dalton-and-was-upset-when-he-got-away

They wanted to sign Andy Dalton in free agency as their veteran quarterback and then trade Garoppolo and draft Lance. I'm told Shanahan was pretty upset when they did not land Dalton

I do get why Dalton chose the Bears at that time....now he's in the same situation he would have been if he went to SF.

I 100% understand why Dalton chose the Bears. I just think the Bears were idiots for choosing him.

The Bears actually accomplished what the Niners were trying to do. Sign Dalton as a bridge and draft the future. That was pretty much what the Niners wanted to do. That way they could trade Jimmy and get out from under his 26m cap hit. They'd much rather be paying Dalton 10-12m while pretty much doing the same thing Jimmy is going to do. Which is be the bridge QB to Trey. So are the Niners idiots too?

except the niners org is not the bears;

s**t, look at what the 49ers were able to do in terms of re singing so many key pieces as well as trading up to #3 overall simultaneously to grab their franchise quarterback of the future

we seriously have NOTHING to complain about as niner fans. other teams/fans would kill to be in the spot we're in; yet, there always is room for complaint for some reason lol

I'm not complaining. I'm also not comparing organizations as a whole nor all the moves they made this off-season. At the end of the off-season the Bears QB room looks an awful lot like what the Niners QB room could have been. I feel like the Niners wanted a cheaper backup to Trey than Jimmy. That would be Dalton. It was reported that the Niners wanted Dalton. If they landed him and they had the trade up to 3 to get Lance then Jimmy becomes expendable because of 26m vs. Dalton 10-12m?. That would have the Niners QB room looking similar to the Bears. Therefore I concluded the Bears QB situation this off-season is pretty much what it looked like the Niners were trying to do.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I guess they feel Dalton is a better starter than Foles and they had no idea they would be able to get Fields

They very well could have been stuck with Foles as their starter if they didn't sign Dalton when they did and couldn't land Fields in the draft.

Obviously they think he is better...but is he? haha

Plus, they are pretty much stuck with Foles anyway since his cap hit would be close to $15 mil if released.

Yeah it's amazing how Foles keeps getting paid. good on him I guess I do think Dalton is better than him, I think Dalton with a top 5 D and top end running game can keep you competitive. Same as Jimmy

The Bears put themselves in a hard place then got bailed out landed Fields.

Originally posted by Howlett49:
No I never know exactly what the teams are thinking. I read as much as I can and I form my own opinions from what I see them do (transactions) and what is reported. I would think that they were interested in Dalton (reported). If they got Dalton and were able to trade to 3 then there is no way they keep Jimmy. At that point they know they're getting Lance and Jimmy becomes expendable because they already got a cheaper backup.

I also think they were interested in Dalton (as reported). I then think that didn't automatically mean they would then turn around and make the trade to #3. Again, I heard (and thought the same myself) that the interest in Dalton AND Flacco was to secure a better backup QB in case JG went down again - they knew they couldn't go into the season with a Mullens or Beathard as backup options.

I'll ask you again because it goes with your scenario: would you be comfortable with Dalton or Flacco starting this season as QB1 for this team as there's a good chance that could happen considering Lance is a rookie (assuming Garoppolo wasn't here)?

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Well agree to disagree there....IMO the only possible way we're sitting with Dalton/Jimmy right now is if they weren't able to move up in the draft or trade for a better vet. I wouldn't be shocked if they actually drafted Mac Jones if they stayed at 12. They'd be right around 2/3rd in the league in money spent on QBs in that scenario...with freaking Dalton/Jimmy lol woof.

They weren't signing any vet backup until after the draft IMO.

FWIW Tony Pauline of PFN said this...

https://www.ninersnation.com/2021/5/7/22425087/49ers-report-shanahan-wanted-dalton-and-was-upset-when-he-got-away

They wanted to sign Andy Dalton in free agency as their veteran quarterback and then trade Garoppolo and draft Lance. I'm told Shanahan was pretty upset when they did not land Dalton

I do get why Dalton chose the Bears at that time....now he's in the same situation he would have been if he went to SF.

I 100% understand why Dalton chose the Bears. I just think the Bears were idiots for choosing him.

The Bears actually accomplished what the Niners were trying to do. Sign Dalton as a bridge and draft the future. That was pretty much what the Niners wanted to do. That way they could trade Jimmy and get out from under his 26m cap hit. They'd much rather be paying Dalton 10-12m while pretty much doing the same thing Jimmy is going to do. Which is be the bridge QB to Trey. So are the Niners idiots too?

except the niners org is not the bears;

s**t, look at what the 49ers were able to do in terms of re singing so many key pieces as well as trading up to #3 overall simultaneously to grab their franchise quarterback of the future

we seriously have NOTHING to complain about as niner fans. other teams/fans would kill to be in the spot we're in; yet, there always is room for complaint for some reason lol

I'm not complaining. I'm also not comparing organizations as a whole nor all the moves they made this off-season. At the end of the off-season the Bears QB room looks an awful lot like what the Niners QB room could have been. I feel like the Niners wanted a cheaper backup to Trey than Jimmy. That would be Dalton. It was reported that the Niners wanted Dalton. If they landed him and they had the trade up to 3 to get Lance then Jimmy becomes expendable because of 26m vs. Dalton 10-12m?. That would have the Niners QB room looking similar to the Bears. Therefore I concluded the Bears QB situation this off-season is pretty much what it looked like the Niners were trying to do.

no way to tell, bit i see where you're coming from. biggest difference is the 9ers roster is loaded with talent and basically set up to go on another run like in 2019. having Jimmy back to facilitate that via QB position with the experience and knowledge he has with the system and shanny's playbook, may have in itself justified more than we think. 49ers are in win-now mode and Jimmy gives them a bigger advantage than any other stopgap/placeholder QB purely based off his experience and expertise he's gained from within the offense 100%

unless of course we happened to land someone like Stafford

but if we did we prolly wouldn't have Sir Lancelot?

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Hopefully. There is no guarantee Trey even starts in 2021 though. If for some reason he isn't ready, I'd much rather have Jimmy than Dalton, regardless of cost.

I don't think Jimmy is $21M better than Dalton....I also think Dalton has proven to be a little more durable. So for me that's debatable. Is what it is now.

Who said Jimmy was out-of-shape? Just look at this man


https://www.travismathew.com/discover/stories/travismathew-welcomes-jimmy-garoppolo-to-the-family

Originally posted by Silky:
Who said Jimmy was out-of-shape? Just look at this man


https://www.travismathew.com/discover/stories/travismathew-welcomes-jimmy-garoppolo-to-the-family

random, who else?

Originally posted by SkyZer0:
no way to tell, bit i see where you're coming from. biggest difference is the 9ers roster is loaded with talent and basically set up to go on another run like in 2019. having Jimmy back to facilitate that via QB position with the experience and knowledge he has with the system and shanny's playbook, may have in itself justified more than we think. 49ers are in win-now and Jimmy give them a better advantage than any other stopgap/placeholder QB purely based off his experience and expertise he's gained with the offense by now

100%. And, in addition to Garoppolo's experience & knowledge with running this offense, this team has already proven it can win at a high rate w/ him at QB staying healthy.

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:
no way to tell, bit i see where you're coming from. biggest difference is the 9ers roster is loaded with talent and basically set up to go on another run like in 2019. having Jimmy back to facilitate that via QB position with the experience and knowledge he has with the system and shanny's playbook, may have in itself justified more than we think. 49ers are in win-now and Jimmy give them a better advantage than any other stopgap/placeholder QB purely based off his experience and expertise he's gained with the offense by now

100%. And, in addition to Garoppolo's experience & knowledge with running this offense, this team has already proven it can win at a high rate w/ him at QB staying healthy.

yeah, i don't give a f**k how much he costs. i don't want dalton or flacco lol. if they're in win-now mode, why would you risk bringing in a guy who doesn't have the experience with the playbook in shanahan system?

if it's win now mode, and garoppolo gives them the best chance to win based off his longevity in the system, then who cares how much he costs.

I'm a fan. it's not like my own personal funds are at stake with the team lol. imagine getting so worked up about the financial side. it's their problem, not mine.

garoppolo has the proven-factor with this current team and its state of players being able to go on a run. in addition to that, again, he has the experience and longevity within the system to further facilitate such a run that neither dalton or flacco has/would've had

Originally posted by Silky:
Who said Jimmy was out-of-shape? Just look at this man


https://www.travismathew.com/discover/stories/travismathew-welcomes-jimmy-garoppolo-to-the-family

Grant Cohn and some Webzone/twitter trolls