Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
But Stafford was out as an option before February started. They were looking at Dalton/Flacco much later. There is no 'win now' message with either of them.

A lot of those FA made nothing this yr regardless. No money out there for a lot of the guys we resigned (outside of Trent).

I don't think having not having Jimmy swayed them either way…Shanahan and familiarity probably played a bigger part imo.

I disagree. For all accounts, Jimmy is very well liked AND just helped the team reach the SB. That definitely plays a part and I believe that if a lot of those guys knew Jimmy was being replaced by Dalton or Flacco (no chance whatsoever at winning a ring in 2021), they'd have chosen to go elsewhere.

Yeah, I think it was more Stafford + Lance as most ideal for ShanaLynch. But I'm sure they explored all options and there were a lot of moving targets. They probably weren't sure IF they could keep Jimmy plus resign every single player back...even had to ask Jed for permission. Plus they weren't sure exactly how Jimmy would respond which could have gotten ugly fast. When they started looking at Dalton and Flacco, it was probably more due diligence IF they felt they could trade Jimmy.

So your thinking the plan was stafford & lance??

so we were going to give up 1st round picks for stafford & then somehow give up 1st round picks for lance!!??
Lol
hmmmm not sure I'm following a few of you!!

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:

Originally posted by Silky:
Who said Jimmy was out-of-shape? Just look at this man


https://www.travismathew.com/discover/stories/travismathew-welcomes-jimmy-garoppolo-to-the-family

Grant Cohn and some Webzone/twitter trolls

ah yeah it was Cohn and then 49er fans piggy backing off his stupid comments

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:
no way to tell, bit i see where you're coming from. biggest difference is the 9ers roster is loaded with talent and basically set up to go on another run like in 2019. having Jimmy back to facilitate that via QB position with the experience and knowledge he has with the system and shanny's playbook, may have in itself justified more than we think. 49ers are in win-now and Jimmy give them a better advantage than any other stopgap/placeholder QB purely based off his experience and expertise he's gained with the offense by now

100%. And, in addition to Garoppolo's experience & knowledge with running this offense, this team has already proven it can win at a high rate w/ him at QB staying healthy.

yeah, i don't give a f**k how much he costs. i don't want dalton or flacco lol. if they're in win-now mode, why would you risk bringing in a guy who doesn't have the experience with the playbook in shanahan system?

if it's win now mode, and garoppolo gives them the best chance to win based off his longevity in the system, then who cares how much he costs.

I'm a fan. it's not like my own personal funds are at stake with the team lol. imagine getting so worked up about the financial side. it's their problem, not mine.

garoppolo has the proven-factor with this current team and its state of players being able to go on a run. in addition to that, again, he has the experience in longevity within the system that neither dalton or flacco has/would've had

Agreed. I get exactly what you're saying and I like how they're managing the cap, re-signing key guys & important depth pieces, and also setting things up for the future.

Can't wait for TC, preseason, and the start of the season!

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
But Stafford was out as an option before February started. They were looking at Dalton/Flacco much later. There is no 'win now' message with either of them.

A lot of those FA made nothing this yr regardless. No money out there for a lot of the guys we resigned (outside of Trent).

I don't think having not having Jimmy swayed them either way…Shanahan and familiarity probably played a bigger part imo.

I disagree. For all accounts, Jimmy is very well liked AND just helped the team reach the SB. That definitely plays a part and I believe that if a lot of those guys knew Jimmy was being replaced by Dalton or Flacco (no chance whatsoever at winning a ring in 2021), they'd have chosen to go elsewhere.

Yeah, I think it was more Stafford + Lance as most ideal for ShanaLynch. But I'm sure they explored all options and there were a lot of moving targets. They probably weren't sure IF they could keep Jimmy plus resign every single player back...even had to ask Jed for permission. Plus they weren't sure exactly how Jimmy would respond which could have gotten ugly fast. When they started looking at Dalton and Flacco, it was probably more due diligence IF they felt they could trade Jimmy.

So your thinking the plan was stafford & lance??

so we were going to give up 1st round picks for stafford & then somehow give up 1st round picks for lance!!??
Lol
hmmmm not sure I'm following a few of you!!

I think he meant in terms of their general thought process and who they wanted? obviously the plan wasn't to acquire both LOL

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
So you know exactly that "The Bears actually accomplished what the Niners were trying to do" - how do you know this? You have some inside sources with the team? I'm here in the Bay Area and I haven't head at all in listening & seeing on numerous radio/TV/media outlets that the Niners were definitely trying to get a Dalton (or Flacco) and then also make the trade up to #3. I have heard that the Niners were looking at some point for a better backup situation that they've had in the last few years - a veteran backup to Garoppolo, like a Dalton or Flacco, that would definitely give this team a much better chance if JG went down than Mullens or Beathard ever could.

This was just posted on p. 5275, quoted from an article authored on May 7, 2021: "They wanted to sign Andy Dalton in free agency as their veteran quarterback and then trade Garoppolo and draft Lance. I'm told Shanahan was pretty upset when they did not land Dalton" (via https://www.ninersnation.com/2021/5/7/22425087/49ers-report-shanahan-wanted-dalton-and-was-upset-when-he-got-away). It's doubtful this is the only guy to say it. But, to be fair, I do not believe anything when there is only one source.

That being said, your claim doesn't mesh with reality. You stuck the word definitely in there, which is a nice fall back term, because very little in life is definite. And almost nothing in the NFL is. But, based on this article, there is at least one media outlet claiming the 49ers were trying to sign Dalton, while drafting Lance (inference being drafting him @ #3), and trading Jimmy to save ~ $15M. In sum, the "team wanted to get cheaper at a position knowing they were going to invest heavily in a rookie QB who would serve as the face of their franchise."

Originally posted by Silky:
Who said Jimmy was out-of-shape? Just look at this man


https://www.travismathew.com/discover/stories/travismathew-welcomes-jimmy-garoppolo-to-the-family

He's so dreamy

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:
no way to tell, bit i see where you're coming from. biggest difference is the 9ers roster is loaded with talent and basically set up to go on another run like in 2019. having Jimmy back to facilitate that via QB position with the experience and knowledge he has with the system and shanny's playbook, may have in itself justified more than we think. 49ers are in win-now and Jimmy give them a better advantage than any other stopgap/placeholder QB purely based off his experience and expertise he's gained with the offense by now

100%. And, in addition to Garoppolo's experience & knowledge with running this offense, this team has already proven it can win at a high rate w/ him at QB staying healthy.

yeah, i don't give a f**k how much he costs. i don't want dalton or flacco lol. if they're in win-now mode, why would you risk bringing in a guy who doesn't have the experience with the playbook in shanahan system?

if it's win now mode, and garoppolo gives them the best chance to win based off his longevity in the system, then who cares how much he costs.

I'm a fan. it's not like my own personal funds are at stake with the team lol. imagine getting so worked up about the financial side. it's their problem, not mine.

garoppolo has the proven-factor with this current team and its state of players being able to go on a run. in addition to that, again, he has the experience in longevity within the system that neither dalton or flacco has/would've had

Agreed. I get exactly what you're saying and I like how they're managing the cap, re-signing key guys & important depth pieces, and also setting things up for the future.

Can't wait for TC, preseason, and the start of the season!

oh dude with how they handled the resignings this off season, quite literally having one of the best off seasons I've ever seen with this organization, why would anyone still be worried about garoppolo and his pay? clearly they know what they're doing so let them do it. like it's not our money we have to worry about here, and I think they've proven at this point that they know how to manage THEIR money pretty f**king well haha

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Hopefully. There is no guarantee Trey even starts in 2021 though. If for some reason he isn't ready, I'd much rather have Jimmy than Dalton, regardless of cost.

I don't think Jimmy is $21M better than Dalton....I also think Dalton has proven to be a little more durable. So for me that's debatable. Is what it is now.

If we were talking 2013 Andy Dalton, then I'd agree. But healthy Jimmy is far better than 33 yr old 2021 Dalton.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Players clearly trust kyle and Co to make a competitive roster…if it's Dalton and Lance I don't see much of a difference.

You think Dalton could win the division and the NFCC this year with the 49ers?

You think Dalton or Jimmy actually plays a full season as a starter (or Jimmy even stays healthy for that matter)? Both are bridge QBs and eventual backups on their current teams. Stop looking at it as Jimmy or whatever backup they would have signed is suppose to lead the team to the NFCC. This is Lance's squad whether you like it or not.

Hopefully. There is no guarantee Trey even starts in 2021 though. If for some reason he isn't ready, I'd much rather have Jimmy than Dalton, regardless of cost.

bingo!

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Correct that was possibly the plan though….only way I see SF rolling into this season with a combo of Jimmy G and Flacco/Dalton is if they were unable to trade up or unable to trade for a stud vet.

they could have told both those dudes, hey we will get back to you after the draft. They didn't wait and SF just kept Jimmy.

not a chance they don't send 3 1sts to Miami because they signed Dalton. That's been my debate.

And my debate is that it was entirely possible that could have happened if the Bears weren't idiots.

Well agree to disagree there....IMO the only possible way we're sitting with Dalton/Jimmy right now is if they weren't able to move up in the draft or trade for a better vet. I wouldn't be shocked if they actually drafted Mac Jones if they stayed at 12. They'd be right around 2/3rd in the league in money spent on QBs in that scenario...with freaking Dalton/Jimmy lol woof.

They weren't signing any vet backup until after the draft IMO.

FWIW Tony Pauline of PFN said this...

https://www.ninersnation.com/2021/5/7/22425087/49ers-report-shanahan-wanted-dalton-and-was-upset-when-he-got-away

They wanted to sign Andy Dalton in free agency as their veteran quarterback and then trade Garoppolo and draft Lance. I'm told Shanahan was pretty upset when they did not land Dalton

I do get why Dalton chose the Bears at that time....now he's in the same situation he would have been if he went to SF.

Lol
poor Kyle was upset he didn't get Stafford (even though no offer was made) and Kyle was upset he didn't get Dalton (even though no offer was made)!!
lol
poor dude

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
So you know exactly that "The Bears actually accomplished what the Niners were trying to do" - how do you know this? You have some inside sources with the team? I'm here in the Bay Area and I haven't head at all in listening & seeing on numerous radio/TV/media outlets that the Niners were definitely trying to get a Dalton (or Flacco) and then also make the trade up to #3. I have heard that the Niners were looking at some point for a better backup situation that they've had in the last few years - a veteran backup to Garoppolo, like a Dalton or Flacco, that would definitely give this team a much better chance if JG went down than Mullens or Beathard ever could.

This was just posted on p. 5275, quoted from an article authored on May 7, 2021: "They wanted to sign Andy Dalton in free agency as their veteran quarterback and then trade Garoppolo and draft Lance. I'm told Shanahan was pretty upset when they did not land Dalton" (via https://www.ninersnation.com/2021/5/7/22425087/49ers-report-shanahan-wanted-dalton-and-was-upset-when-he-got-away). It's doubtful this is the only guy to say it. But, to be fair, I do not believe anything when there is only one source.

That being said, your claim doesn't mesh with reality. You stuck the word definitely in there, which is a nice fall back term, because very little in life is definite. And almost nothing in the NFL is. But, based on this article, there is at least one media outlet claiming the 49ers were trying to sign Dalton, while drafting Lance (inference being drafting him @ #3), and trading Jimmy to save ~ $15M. In sum, the "team wanted to get cheaper at a position knowing they were going to invest heavily in a rookie QB who would serve as the face of their franchise."

Of course there's very little in life that is definite. That's why I used that word in that particular sentence. Maybe I should have been more clear in the media outlets I was referring to...I never heard on Bay Area media outlets (to get specific, KNBR, 95.7 The Game, CNBC Sports Bay Area) or the Bay Area Twitter people I follow that cover the team (Maiocco, Barrows, D. Lombardi) that the Niners were trying to get a Dalton or Flacco and then also make the trade up to #3. If one of those outlets I referenced said it, or if one of those beat writers tweeted it, I didn't hear or read it. I did hear, however, that they were looking at a Dalton or Flacco as a better backup situation in case JG went down (thus, improving the QB room over what they had). That's what I heard and read.

I'll ask you the same question: assuming Garoppolo wasn't here and they had brought in Dalton or Flacco (and got Lance), would you be comfortable with Dalton or Flacco starting this season as QB1 for this team as there's a good chance that could happen considering Lance is a rookie?

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
If we were talking 2013 Andy Dalton, then I'd agree. But healthy Jimmy is far better than 33 yr old 2021 Dalton.

One. Hundred. Percent.

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:
Lol
poor Kyle was upset he didn't get Stafford (even though no offer was made) and Kyle was upset he didn't get Dalton (even though no offer was made)!!
lol
poor dude

I know he really wanted to improve at the starting QB position...enough so that he gave up 3 1sts and a 3rd to get it done.

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Players clearly trust kyle and Co to make a competitive roster…if it's Dalton and Lance I don't see much of a difference.

You think Dalton could win the division and the NFCC this year with the 49ers?

You think Dalton or Jimmy actually plays a full season as a starter (or Jimmy even stays healthy for that matter)? Both are bridge QBs and eventual backups on their current teams. Stop looking at it as Jimmy or whatever backup they would have signed is suppose to lead the team to the NFCC. This is Lance's squad whether you like it or not.

Hopefully. There is no guarantee Trey even starts in 2021 though. If for some reason he isn't ready, I'd much rather have Jimmy than Dalton, regardless of cost.

bingo!

+2

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:

Originally posted by Silky:
Who said Jimmy was out-of-shape? Just look at this man


https://www.travismathew.com/discover/stories/travismathew-welcomes-jimmy-garoppolo-to-the-family

Grant Cohn and some Webzone/twitter trolls

The photos in that article were taken a month ago allegedly when he was fat