Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Hopefully. There is no guarantee Trey even starts in 2021 though. If for some reason he isn't ready, I'd much rather have Jimmy than Dalton, regardless of cost.

I don't think Jimmy is $21M better than Dalton....I also think Dalton has proven to be a little more durable. So for me that's debatable. Is what it is now.

If we were talking 2013 Andy Dalton, then I'd agree. But healthy Jimmy is far better than 33 yr old 2021 Dalton.

Yea, a healthy Jimmy is better than Dalton. Winning the lottery is also better than working a 9-5, but only one of those is likely.

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
So you know exactly that "The Bears actually accomplished what the Niners were trying to do" - how do you know this? You have some inside sources with the team? I'm here in the Bay Area and I haven't head at all in listening & seeing on numerous radio/TV/media outlets that the Niners were definitely trying to get a Dalton (or Flacco) and then also make the trade up to #3. I have heard that the Niners were looking at some point for a better backup situation that they've had in the last few years - a veteran backup to Garoppolo, like a Dalton or Flacco, that would definitely give this team a much better chance if JG went down than Mullens or Beathard ever could.

This was just posted on p. 5275, quoted from an article authored on May 7, 2021: "They wanted to sign Andy Dalton in free agency as their veteran quarterback and then trade Garoppolo and draft Lance. I'm told Shanahan was pretty upset when they did not land Dalton" (via https://www.ninersnation.com/2021/5/7/22425087/49ers-report-shanahan-wanted-dalton-and-was-upset-when-he-got-away). It's doubtful this is the only guy to say it. But, to be fair, I do not believe anything when there is only one source.

That being said, your claim doesn't mesh with reality. You stuck the word definitely in there, which is a nice fall back term, because very little in life is definite. And almost nothing in the NFL is. But, based on this article, there is at least one media outlet claiming the 49ers were trying to sign Dalton, while drafting Lance (inference being drafting him @ #3), and trading Jimmy to save ~ $15M. In sum, the "team wanted to get cheaper at a position knowing they were going to invest heavily in a rookie QB who would serve as the face of their franchise."

How can anyone not see that Shanahan was quite upset when they didn't get Dalton while still drafting Lance, and not understand how badly Kyle wants to get Jimmy off of his football field. Would he have been quite upset because of the salary cap savings they missed out on? Uh, no. I know he's involved in all aspects, but he's the coach, not the GM.

We're just going to have to wait and see how Lance does in the preseason, but if he gives Kyle much hope at all he can handle the job early, I will not be surprised to see Jimmy shipped off elsewhere, and that cap savings come back to us anyway. Remember, Kyle is a confident guy. Give him the raw talent (check), and he's going to believe he can do something with it. And he can.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I know he really wanted to improve at the starting QB position...enough so that he gave up 3 1sts and a 3rd to get it done.

This.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:
Lol
poor Kyle was upset he didn't get Stafford (even though no offer was made) and Kyle was upset he didn't get Dalton (even though no offer was made)!!
lol
poor dude

I know he really wanted to improve at the starting QB position...enough so that he gave up 3 1sts and a 3rd to get it done.

Some people here act like we spent those picks to replace Nick Mullens as Jimmy's backup.

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
So you know exactly that "The Bears actually accomplished what the Niners were trying to do" - how do you know this? You have some inside sources with the team? I'm here in the Bay Area and I haven't head at all in listening & seeing on numerous radio/TV/media outlets that the Niners were definitely trying to get a Dalton (or Flacco) and then also make the trade up to #3. I have heard that the Niners were looking at some point for a better backup situation that they've had in the last few years - a veteran backup to Garoppolo, like a Dalton or Flacco, that would definitely give this team a much better chance if JG went down than Mullens or Beathard ever could.

This was just posted on p. 5275, quoted from an article authored on May 7, 2021: "They wanted to sign Andy Dalton in free agency as their veteran quarterback and then trade Garoppolo and draft Lance. I'm told Shanahan was pretty upset when they did not land Dalton" (via https://www.ninersnation.com/2021/5/7/22425087/49ers-report-shanahan-wanted-dalton-and-was-upset-when-he-got-away). It's doubtful this is the only guy to say it. But, to be fair, I do not believe anything when there is only one source.

That being said, your claim doesn't mesh with reality. You stuck the word definitely in there, which is a nice fall back term, because very little in life is definite. And almost nothing in the NFL is. But, based on this article, there is at least one media outlet claiming the 49ers were trying to sign Dalton, while drafting Lance (inference being drafting him @ #3), and trading Jimmy to save ~ $15M. In sum, the "team wanted to get cheaper at a position knowing they were going to invest heavily in a rookie QB who would serve as the face of their franchise."

How can anyone not see that Shanahan was quite upset when they didn't get Dalton while still drafting Lance, and not understand how badly Kyle wants to get Jimmy off of his football field. Would he have been quite upset because of the salary cap savings they missed out on? Uh, no. I know he's involved in all aspects, but he's the coach, not the GM.

We're just going to have to wait and see how Lance does in the preseason, but if he gives Kyle much hope at all he can handle the job early, I will not be surprised to see Jimmy shipped off elsewhere, and that cap savings come back to us anyway. Remember, Kyle is a confident guy. Give him the raw talent (check), and he's going to believe he can do something with it. And he can.

There was so much BS going on with every QB that i hate to trust these opinion articles. their not official or factual nor shows Kyle being truly upset.

All i know is that there are no leaks and when the 49ers want someone, they get them.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
How can anyone not see that Shanahan was quite upset when they didn't get Dalton while still drafting Lance, and not understand how badly Kyle wants to get Jimmy off of his football field. Would he have been quite upset because of the salary cap savings they missed out on? Uh, no. I know he's involved in all aspects, but he's the coach, not the GM.

We're just going to have to wait and see how Lance does in the preseason, but if he gives Kyle much hope at all he can handle the job early, I will not be surprised to see Jimmy shipped off elsewhere, and that cap savings come back to us anyway. Remember, Kyle is a confident guy. Give him the raw talent (check), and he's going to believe he can do something with it. And he can.

I believe that they were talking about upgrading the QB room even during the season last year after seeing Garoppolo go down again and having to then rely on Mullens & Beathard yet again, unfortunately. I'm betting they were thinking about ALL QB options to upgrade the room, such as a better backup situation to Garoppolo like getting a veteran guy like Dalton (and I guess Flacco). We as fans have no idea how far back the team was considering going with a vet backup option.

You have some inside info that us fans aren't privy that says "how badly Kyle wants to get Jimmy off of his football field?" Because I haven't heard of anything like that - maybe I'm missing something. I of course see what others see, that the Niners are betting on & hoping Lance is the future (we'll see). I hope so, too, considering all that was given up to get him.

I'll also ask you this: assuming Garoppolo wasn't here and they had brought in Dalton or Flacco (and got Lance), would you be comfortable with Dalton or Flacco starting this season as QB1 for this team as there's a good chance that could happen considering Lance is a rookie?

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
My dude signed a deal with TM.

https://www.travismathew.com/discover/stories/travismathew-welcomes-jimmy-garoppolo-to-the-family

Starting to see this brand more.. i like the styles and color combos they are coming out with

+1

It is the official uniform of Dads in my community.

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
How can anyone not see that Shanahan was quite upset when they didn't get Dalton while still drafting Lance, and not understand how badly Kyle wants to get Jimmy off of his football field. Would he have been quite upset because of the salary cap savings they missed out on? Uh, no. I know he's involved in all aspects, but he's the coach, not the GM.

We're just going to have to wait and see how Lance does in the preseason, but if he gives Kyle much hope at all he can handle the job early, I will not be surprised to see Jimmy shipped off elsewhere, and that cap savings come back to us anyway. Remember, Kyle is a confident guy. Give him the raw talent (check), and he's going to believe he can do something with it. And he can.

I believe that they were talking about upgrading the QB room even during the season last year after seeing Garoppolo go down again and having to then rely on Mullens & Beathard yet again, unfortunately. I'm betting they were thinking about ALL QB options to upgrade the room, such as a better backup situation to Garoppolo like getting a veteran guy like Dalton (and I guess Flacco). We as fans have no idea how far back the team was considering going with a vet backup option.

You have some inside info that us fans aren't privy that says "how badly Kyle wants to get Jimmy off of his football field?" Because I haven't heard of anything like that - maybe I'm missing something. I of course see what others see, that the Niners are betting on & hoping Lance is the future (we'll see). I hope so, too, considering all that was given up to get him.

I'll also ask you this: assuming Garoppolo wasn't here and they had brought in Dalton or Flacco (and got Lance), would you be comfortable with Dalton or Flacco starting this season as QB1 for this team as there's a good chance that could happen considering Lance is a rookie?

If they had a chance to get them learning the playbook before training camp, I guess I would be.

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
My dude signed a deal with TM.

https://www.travismathew.com/discover/stories/travismathew-welcomes-jimmy-garoppolo-to-the-family

Starting to see this brand more.. i like the styles and color combos they are coming out with

+1

It is the official uniform of Dads in my community.

jimmy's a daddy though, not a dad

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by Howlett49:
No I never know exactly what the teams are thinking. I read as much as I can and I form my own opinions from what I see them do (transactions) and what is reported. I would think that they were interested in Dalton (reported). If they got Dalton and were able to trade to 3 then there is no way they keep Jimmy. At that point they know they're getting Lance and Jimmy becomes expendable because they already got a cheaper backup.

I also think they were interested in Dalton (as reported). I then think that didn't automatically mean they would then turn around and make the trade to #3. Again, I heard (and thought the same myself) that the interest in Dalton AND Flacco was to secure a better backup QB in case JG went down again - they knew they couldn't go into the season with a Mullens or Beathard as backup options.

I'll ask you again because it goes with your scenario: would you be comfortable with Dalton or Flacco starting this season as QB1 for this team as there's a good chance that could happen considering Lance is a rookie (assuming Garoppolo wasn't here)?

My answer is no. I also think Dalton and Flacco would be backups only. Neither would start over Trey. I don't care if Trey is a rookie. If there's not a good enough QB ahead of him he starts as a rookie. Even with a SB roster.

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Well agree to disagree there....IMO the only possible way we're sitting with Dalton/Jimmy right now is if they weren't able to move up in the draft or trade for a better vet. I wouldn't be shocked if they actually drafted Mac Jones if they stayed at 12. They'd be right around 2/3rd in the league in money spent on QBs in that scenario...with freaking Dalton/Jimmy lol woof.

They weren't signing any vet backup until after the draft IMO.

FWIW Tony Pauline of PFN said this...

https://www.ninersnation.com/2021/5/7/22425087/49ers-report-shanahan-wanted-dalton-and-was-upset-when-he-got-away

They wanted to sign Andy Dalton in free agency as their veteran quarterback and then trade Garoppolo and draft Lance. I'm told Shanahan was pretty upset when they did not land Dalton

I do get why Dalton chose the Bears at that time....now he's in the same situation he would have been if he went to SF.

I 100% understand why Dalton chose the Bears. I just think the Bears were idiots for choosing him.

The Bears actually accomplished what the Niners were trying to do. Sign Dalton as a bridge and draft the future. That was pretty much what the Niners wanted to do. That way they could trade Jimmy and get out from under his 26m cap hit. They'd much rather be paying Dalton 10-12m while pretty much doing the same thing Jimmy is going to do. Which is be the bridge QB to Trey. So are the Niners idiots too?

except the niners org is not the bears;

s**t, look at what the 49ers were able to do in terms of re singing so many key pieces as well as trading up to #3 overall simultaneously to grab their franchise quarterback of the future

we seriously have NOTHING to complain about as niner fans. other teams/fans would kill to be in the spot we're in; yet, there always is room for complaint for some reason lol

I'm not complaining. I'm also not comparing organizations as a whole nor all the moves they made this off-season. At the end of the off-season the Bears QB room looks an awful lot like what the Niners QB room could have been. I feel like the Niners wanted a cheaper backup to Trey than Jimmy. That would be Dalton. It was reported that the Niners wanted Dalton. If they landed him and they had the trade up to 3 to get Lance then Jimmy becomes expendable because of 26m vs. Dalton 10-12m?. That would have the Niners QB room looking similar to the Bears. Therefore I concluded the Bears QB situation this off-season is pretty much what it looked like the Niners were trying to do.

no way to tell, bit i see where you're coming from. biggest difference is the 9ers roster is loaded with talent and basically set up to go on another run like in 2019. having Jimmy back to facilitate that via QB position with the experience and knowledge he has with the system and shanny's playbook, may have in itself justified more than we think. 49ers are in win-now mode and Jimmy gives them a bigger advantage than any other stopgap/placeholder QB purely based off his experience and expertise he's gained from within the offense 100%

unless of course we happened to land someone like Stafford

but if we did we prolly wouldn't have Sir Lancelot?

Right so I think we're pretty much on the same page

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by Howlett49:
No I never know exactly what the teams are thinking. I read as much as I can and I form my own opinions from what I see them do (transactions) and what is reported. I would think that they were interested in Dalton (reported). If they got Dalton and were able to trade to 3 then there is no way they keep Jimmy. At that point they know they're getting Lance and Jimmy becomes expendable because they already got a cheaper backup.

I also think they were interested in Dalton (as reported). I then think that didn't automatically mean they would then turn around and make the trade to #3. Again, I heard (and thought the same myself) that the interest in Dalton AND Flacco was to secure a better backup QB in case JG went down again - they knew they couldn't go into the season with a Mullens or Beathard as backup options.

I'll ask you again because it goes with your scenario: would you be comfortable with Dalton or Flacco starting this season as QB1 for this team as there's a good chance that could happen considering Lance is a rookie (assuming Garoppolo wasn't here)?

My answer is no. I also think Dalton and Flacco would be backups only. Neither would start over Trey. I don't care if Trey is a rookie. If there's not a good enough QB ahead of him he starts as a rookie. Even with a SB roster.

O.k., wow. Your scenario has Lance starting on Week 1 if Dalton or Flacco were here.

I wish it were just that easy, that you could just plug in on this team as QB1 a 21-year-old rookie from North Dakota St. I mean, we have no idea how he's going to respond to the pro level, how long he may need to get acclimated to the pro speed, pro talent, his teammates on offense...this in-depth playbook.

We'll see. Maybe some how some way Lance comes strong out of the gate from the first day and picks things up so fast, plays so well, and blows everyone's mind. I would be shocked if he wins the job over Garoppolo. But who knows, stranger things have happened.

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by Howlett49:
No I never know exactly what the teams are thinking. I read as much as I can and I form my own opinions from what I see them do (transactions) and what is reported. I would think that they were interested in Dalton (reported). If they got Dalton and were able to trade to 3 then there is no way they keep Jimmy. At that point they know they're getting Lance and Jimmy becomes expendable because they already got a cheaper backup.

I also think they were interested in Dalton (as reported). I then think that didn't automatically mean they would then turn around and make the trade to #3. Again, I heard (and thought the same myself) that the interest in Dalton AND Flacco was to secure a better backup QB in case JG went down again - they knew they couldn't go into the season with a Mullens or Beathard as backup options.

I'll ask you again because it goes with your scenario: would you be comfortable with Dalton or Flacco starting this season as QB1 for this team as there's a good chance that could happen considering Lance is a rookie (assuming Garoppolo wasn't here)?

My answer is no. I also think Dalton and Flacco would be backups only. Neither would start over Trey. I don't care if Trey is a rookie. If there's not a good enough QB ahead of him he starts as a rookie. Even with a SB roster.

O.k., wow. Your scenario has Lance starting on Week 1 if Dalton or Flacco were here.

I wish it were just that easy, that you could just plug in on this team as QB1 a 21-year-old rookie from North Dakota St. I mean, we have no idea how he's going to respond to the pro level, how long he may need to get acclimated to the pro speed, pro talent, his teammates on offense...this in-depth playbook.

We'll see. Maybe some how some way Lance comes strong out of the gate from the first day and picks things up so fast, plays so well, and blows everyone's mind. I would be shocked if he wins the job over Garoppolo. But who knows, stranger things have happened.

Jimmy is the Cassius Marsh to Trey Lance's Nick Bosa. People can say things like "you don't just walk in and take a guy like Jimmy Garropollo's job" but we all know where this is going. The job is already Lance's, Jimmy is only still here to make it look like he had to work for it.

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
How is the talent on offense "vastly improved" since 2019?

Offensive line: maybe slightly better but time will tell
Running game: no improvement
Tight end: no improvement
Wide receiver: slight improvement if any

Where is this "vast improvement" that you speak of?

Are you kidding me. The online is better at Center, LT and RG. Mike Person was a turnstile and Joe Staley was old and hobbled.
At RB: Mostert, Sermon, Gallman, Hasty is an upgrade over Brieda, Mostert, and Coleman mainly because Brieda and Mostert were always hurt.

haha always the pessimist

No, I am just refusing to make declarative statement that are presented as fact that are opinion. I also refuse to trash our players so that our QB appears better (example: "Joe Staley was old and hobbled" but pay no attention to the fact that per PFF, he allowed a pressure rate of 2.9% in 2019).

I believe the OL will be better, but I dont see them being a top unit in the league. In 2019, PFF rated us the 14th best OL in the NFL. Even if we improve some, it wont be improvement to the point we are a top 5 OL in the league. So lets say we are 9th. GOing from 14th to 9th is exactly what I said...."slightly better."

Also, people can say ___, ___, and ____ are better than what we had in 2019 at running back, but the simple fact of the matter is, we were the #2 running team in the league (and if you eliminate QB rushing into the equation, we were easily the #1 running team in the NFL). So while you look at our players and project them being better, you simply cannot be better than the best team in football, which we were in 2019.

So no SkyZer0, I am not "always the pessimist," I just cant get behind people making opinion based statements presented as facts.

Originally posted by Jack49ers84:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by Howlett49:
No I never know exactly what the teams are thinking. I read as much as I can and I form my own opinions from what I see them do (transactions) and what is reported. I would think that they were interested in Dalton (reported). If they got Dalton and were able to trade to 3 then there is no way they keep Jimmy. At that point they know they're getting Lance and Jimmy becomes expendable because they already got a cheaper backup.

I also think they were interested in Dalton (as reported). I then think that didn't automatically mean they would then turn around and make the trade to #3. Again, I heard (and thought the same myself) that the interest in Dalton AND Flacco was to secure a better backup QB in case JG went down again - they knew they couldn't go into the season with a Mullens or Beathard as backup options.

I'll ask you again because it goes with your scenario: would you be comfortable with Dalton or Flacco starting this season as QB1 for this team as there's a good chance that could happen considering Lance is a rookie (assuming Garoppolo wasn't here)?

My answer is no. I also think Dalton and Flacco would be backups only. Neither would start over Trey. I don't care if Trey is a rookie. If there's not a good enough QB ahead of him he starts as a rookie. Even with a SB roster.

O.k., wow. Your scenario has Lance starting on Week 1 if Dalton or Flacco were here.

I wish it were just that easy, that you could just plug in on this team as QB1 a 21-year-old rookie from North Dakota St. I mean, we have no idea how he's going to respond to the pro level, how long he may need to get acclimated to the pro speed, pro talent, his teammates on offense...this in-depth playbook.

We'll see. Maybe some how some way Lance comes strong out of the gate from the first day and picks things up so fast, plays so well, and blows everyone's mind. I would be shocked if he wins the job over Garoppolo. But who knows, stranger things have happened.

Jimmy is the Cassius Marsh to Trey Lance's Nick Bosa. People can say things like "you don't just walk in and take a guy like Jimmy Garropollo's job" but we all know where this is going. The job is already Lance's, Jimmy is only still here to make it look like he had to work for it.

Dumbest thing I read