Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by pdizo916:

Originally posted by natrone06:
The most underrated story line about the 2019 season was how good Jimmy was on third down. The Long drives and TOP our offense had in synergy with the dominant defensive front made for an amazing season. I think Jimmy will keep the ball moving again this season.

Ya, he was actually good on 3rd down.

When I post that this is more of a reflection of Kyle Shanahan than Jimmy, I get flamed by the Jimmy fans in here.

They'll really freak out when they find out that in 2020 Mullens was better than Jimmy on 3rd and 7+

Mullens: 13-22, 144 yards, 1 TDs, 2 INTs, 75.4 passer rating
Jimmy: 14-23, 148 yards, 1 TDs, 3 INTs, 54.5 passer rating.

this an incredibly stupid and narrow-minded post lol

Can someone translate?

translate what?

How is it "incredibly stupid and narrow-minded" when it was a RESPONSE to homers claiming Jimmy is some third down god? If 2017 statistics count, why don't 2020? And 3rd and long IS WHEN A QB HAS TO PREFORM, so why is it not relevant when discussing if Jimmy is a third down god or not?

because no where in this quote chain was there any mention of Jimmy homerism referencing 3rd down conversions from 2017. people just said, "ya, he was actually good on 3rd down" referring to 2019. so you can see why your random stat pull out your ass looked incredibly stupid and narrow-minded

Yeah, no. Who the hell are you trying to deceive? Literally everyone in this thread knows that the hardcore Jimmy Club members believe he is a third down god.

one of the boosts we've had from Jimmy since being a 9er has been consistency on 3rd downs for sure. something we have NOT had in plenty of Quarterbacking years prior with how terrible we were on 3rd down. moving the chains is definitely a positive attribute Jimmy brought and I'm not sure why anyone would disagree. it's just been a common theme with him. 3rd down god? yeah. no. not sure why you interpret praise for him that way.

No, that's definitely true. Never have I said he wasn't a dramatic upgrade over what we've had before (particularly on 3rd down, where I believe he has even outshone Alex Smith). However he is not some top third QB — or rather, he hasn't been thus far.

That said, word from the press and 49ers players indicate that something has finally lit a real fire under his ass and he's playing better than ever before ("something" of course is probably Trey Lance). If that's actually true, it's great news for the team, because it will allow Trey to soak in NFL defenses before he's cast into the fire, while simultaneously both helping us be real contenders and dramatically increasing Jimmy's trade value for the 2022 season. If he isn't all that improved, but only marginally better, it will still keep Trey on the bench long enough to pick up on some things he may not have ever been exposed to in his brief college career.

What Jimmy needed to improve on the most was mechanics on deeper passes and reading defenses. It seems he's gotten far more decisive, which in many cases will circumvent his issues with reading defenses because of his fast release. If he doesn't hesitate, even when he's wrong he can still be right (we saw this in 2017; in particular, a slant/flat concept against the Jaguars, when a Jags' linebacker was undercutting the slant, but he was so quick with his release that the ball beat him to the location). If he's also improved reading defenses and mechanics, the team will be a Super Bowl contender.

I criticize Jimmy because thus far in his career he's been — at best — better than average and knocking on the high side of tier 2. But do not mistake that for hate of Jimmy. Nothing would please me more than to be able to go to the Seahawks forum and mock them for talking trash about Jimmy. But that cannot happen unless we win the Super Bowl with him leading the team. I doubt that will happen, but it sure would be nice.

Originally posted by OneNDone:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by OneNDone:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by OneNDone:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by OneNDone:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by OneNDone:
Here I am talking about Jimmy and the 49ers and our so called fantastic fans are talking about Stafford, Ray Rice, how much they love Derek Carr, Cousins is a future HoF.

They gush over other players but hate their own... Your teams have their own boards for that where you'll fit in better.

And here you are LYING again. Nobody "loves" those players. You are a Jimmy fan, not a 49er fan. Why do you believe Ray Rice is better than Barry Sanders? (you clearly do, and I'll believe it until you prove that you have double standards on how you rank players, which would be required to argue that Jimmy is great because the win percentage, but Ray Rice isn't better than Barry Sanders despite the win percentage)

Yeah... You just slobber over them every day for months now

Nobody's slobbering over anyone. Real 49er fans want the TEAM to be the best it can be. The QB position is important, Jimmy CLEARLY is not a great QB, therefore REAL 49ers want a better QB. The only "slobbering" I've done is shown you observable reality, which you refuse to accept because your fantasy Jimmy world is more conducive to your night time fantasies.

Oh, funny that our actual coaching staff and FO agree with me. Theres a reason that both Lynch and Shanny fought hard to keep Jimmy and they both have explained why. You call them liars, but are a true fan. Rooting for failure.

Again, this has already been answered. If the FO and staff were so sold on Jimmy, they wouldn't have traded the 12th, a third, and two additional 1st round pics to get Trey Lance.

As has been pointed out ad nauseum, the reasons the 49ers didn't trade for Stafford are:
(1) He's not worth 2 first round picks
(2) He's 33 years old
(3) He's expensive
(4) There were 5 rookies worthy of a first round pick.

The reason the 49ers didn't sign any other veteran or trade for another is because ZERO were worth the cost, and only two were even upgrades (one already discussed, the other became embroiled in a sexual assault/harassment investigation.

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If the 49ers were sold on Jimmy they would have stayed at 12 or moved up to get Kyle Pitts. They mortgaged the future for a quarterback. How that doesn't wake you up out of your Jimmy fantasy is astounding.

Actually both admit that Jimmy's health was the reason they moved up. Both have said that when Jimmy is healthy he's a fantastic QB but they just cannot rely on him to stay healthy.

You calling our coaches and FO liars?

Yeah, you armchair GM sure are.

It's not that simple. It's not JUST that he's been injured. It's that BECAUSE he's been injured he hasn't been able to get enough reps to develop enough. And that was actually mentioned by Kyle Shanahan before this trade was made.

But directly saying they want to improve the QB room? Yep, they've said that. Show me one coach ever who has said, "Our starting QB isn't good enough, so we want to get a better one" in a press conference. No coach is going to say that. They'll say, "We want to improve the QB room."

Lol calling our coaches and FO liars..

The same coach who said a couple weeks ago that he tried to trade for Stafford? Coaches have to be somewhat diplomatic. It's not lying, it's just not being entirely forthcoming. Shanahan and Lynch do that nearly every press conference.

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by OneNDone:
How long of a leash you all going to give Lance before you hate him?

Who says we'll need to give him a leash? Are you hoping for his downfall before he's ever taken a snap? Wow! Some 49er fan you are. Jesus....fans these days ????????

OneNDone is a Jimmy fan, not a 49ers fan.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by OneNDone:
So no answer because we all know if you actually answered you'd prove yourself wrong. Saying the answer is 8-67 is not hard. Stafford has only won 8 games, not even 1 game per season against a winning team. Lol what's the point of a good QB when his impact is literally zero in Staffords case?

You seriously waited TWO MINUTES and decided there was no answer?

Winning. Is. A. TEAM. Stat.

Who is the better running back, Ray Rice or Barry Sanders?

Regardless of Barry Sanders, Stafford is average and a loser as a qb.

So, I never saw your response to Shanahan explicitly saying he tried to trade for Stafford, but failed because he thought he had an extra day to negotiate. Why would he do such a thing?

I must have hurt when you read that, in your dark basement while wearing your Limited Edition Jimmy G Supreme Stud Briefs.

Those of us living in reality know why he would do such a thing: he wanted an upgrade at the QB position. Which is why he traded three picks to draft one.

Tried to trade for Stafford? That's a lie

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by pdizo916:

Originally posted by natrone06:
The most underrated story line about the 2019 season was how good Jimmy was on third down. The Long drives and TOP our offense had in synergy with the dominant defensive front made for an amazing season. I think Jimmy will keep the ball moving again this season.

Ya, he was actually good on 3rd down.

When I post that this is more of a reflection of Kyle Shanahan than Jimmy, I get flamed by the Jimmy fans in here.

They'll really freak out when they find out that in 2020 Mullens was better than Jimmy on 3rd and 7+

Mullens: 13-22, 144 yards, 1 TDs, 2 INTs, 75.4 passer rating
Jimmy: 14-23, 148 yards, 1 TDs, 3 INTs, 54.5 passer rating.

this an incredibly stupid and narrow-minded post lol

Can someone translate?

translate what?

How is it "incredibly stupid and narrow-minded" when it was a RESPONSE to homers claiming Jimmy is some third down god? If 2017 statistics count, why don't 2020? And 3rd and long IS WHEN A QB HAS TO PREFORM, so why is it not relevant when discussing if Jimmy is a third down god or not?

because no where in this quote chain was there any mention of Jimmy homerism referencing 3rd down conversions from 2017. people just said, "ya, he was actually good on 3rd down" referring to 2019. so you can see why your random stat pull out your ass looked incredibly stupid and narrow-minded

Yeah, no. Who the hell are you trying to deceive? Literally everyone in this thread knows that the hardcore Jimmy Club members believe he is a third down god.

one of the boosts we've had from Jimmy since being a 9er has been consistency on 3rd downs for sure. something we have NOT had in plenty of Quarterbacking years prior with how terrible we were on 3rd down. moving the chains is definitely a positive attribute Jimmy brought and I'm not sure why anyone would disagree. it's just been a common theme with him. 3rd down god? yeah. no. not sure why you interpret praise for him that way.

No, that's definitely true. Never have I said he wasn't a dramatic upgrade over what we've had before (particularly on 3rd down, where I believe he has even outshone Alex Smith). However he is not some top third QB — or rather, he hasn't been thus far.

That said, word from the press and 49ers players indicate that something has finally lit a real fire under his ass and he's playing better than ever before ("something" of course is probably Trey Lance). If that's actually true, it's great news for the team, because it will allow Trey to soak in NFL defenses before he's cast into the fire, while simultaneously both helping us be real contenders and dramatically increasing Jimmy's trade value for the 2022 season. If he isn't all that improved, but only marginally better, it will still keep Trey on the bench long enough to pick up on some things he may not have ever been exposed to in his brief college career.

What Jimmy needed to improve on the most was mechanics on deeper passes and reading defenses. It seems he's gotten far more decisive, which in many cases will circumvent his issues with reading defenses because of his fast release. If he doesn't hesitate, even when he's wrong he can still be right (we saw this in 2017; in particular, a slant/flat concept against the Jaguars, when a Jags' linebacker was undercutting the slant, but he was so quick with his release that the ball beat him to the location). If he's also improved reading defenses and mechanics, the team will be a Super Bowl contender.

I criticize Jimmy because thus far in his career he's been — at best — better than average and knocking on the high side of tier 2. But do not mistake that for hate of Jimmy. Nothing would please me more than to be able to go to the Seahawks forum and mock them for talking trash about Jimmy. But that cannot happen unless we win the Super Bowl with him leading the team. I doubt that will happen, but it sure would be nice.

damn bro i dont even remember this conversation lol. how long ago was that chain from?

Originally posted by Jack49ers84:
With Jimmy at QB? No, I can't. Jimmy doesn't attempt throws down the field very often. In practice today, according to some of the reports Jimmy didn't attempt any throws beyond 20 yards today and almost all of them were under 10 yards.

That may not be solely an ability thing. You need an O-line to give you time for deep routes to develop and you need healthy receivers that can stretch the field.

Originally posted by K1ngAsD3rek:
Tried to trade for Stafford? That's a lie

Kyle Shanahan said the #49ers never made an offer for then Lions QB Matthew Stafford. They'd heard he was available, looked into the film, then "woke up and he was on the Rams. So that's frustrating." Also mentioned doing their due diligence on Texans QB Deshaun Watson.

— Rob Lowder (@Rob_Lowder) July 27, 2021

No it really isn't a lie. McVay just beat him to the punch before he could make the trade:
Kyle Shanahan recalls the weekend he tried to trade for Matthew Stafford - Pride Of Detroit - okay no idea why that won't post as a link. The story is out there and it is very clear. Kyle didn't get the chance to make an offer cuz McVay beat him to the punch and he did it just a few doors away in Mexico to throw salt in the wounds

Originally posted by kansasninerfan:
No it really isn't a lie. McVay just beat him to the punch before he could make the trade:
Kyle Shanahan recalls the weekend he tried to trade for Matthew Stafford - Pride Of Detroit - okay no idea why that won't post as a link. The story is out there and it is very clear. Kyle didn't get the chance to make an offer cuz McVay beat him to the punch and he did it just a few doors away in Mexico to throw salt in the wounds

This might be the best thing that ever happened to the Niners though if Lance is the real deal.

Originally posted by kansasninerfan:

Originally posted by K1ngAsD3rek:
Tried to trade for Stafford? That's a lie

Kyle Shanahan said the #49ers never made an offer for then Lions QB Matthew Stafford. They'd heard he was available, looked into the film, then "woke up and he was on the Rams. So that's frustrating." Also mentioned doing their due diligence on Texans QB Deshaun Watson.

— Rob Lowder (@Rob_Lowder) July 27, 2021

No it really isn't a lie. McVay just beat him to the punch before he could make the trade:
Kyle Shanahan recalls the weekend he tried to trade for Matthew Stafford - Pride Of Detroit - okay no idea why that won't post as a link. The story is out there and it is very clear. Kyle didn't get the chance to make an offer cuz McVay beat him to the punch and he did it just a few doors away in Mexico to throw salt in the wounds

how can a trade happen when they don't even talk to the party they are trading with ?

Originally posted by kansasninerfan:

Originally posted by K1ngAsD3rek:
Tried to trade for Stafford? That's a lie

Kyle Shanahan said the #49ers never made an offer for then Lions QB Matthew Stafford. They'd heard he was available, looked into the film, then "woke up and he was on the Rams. So that's frustrating." Also mentioned doing their due diligence on Texans QB Deshaun Watson.

— Rob Lowder (@Rob_Lowder) July 27, 2021

No it really isn't a lie. McVay just beat him to the punch before he could make the trade:
Kyle Shanahan recalls the weekend he tried to trade for Matthew Stafford - Pride Of Detroit

Sure it is. If they actually tried there'd be an offer. There wasn't. There never was.

Originally posted by K1ngAsD3rek:
Tried to trade for Stafford? That's a lie

Kyle Shanahan said the #49ers never made an offer for then Lions QB Matthew Stafford. They'd heard he was available, looked into the film, then "woke up and he was on the Rams. So that's frustrating." Also mentioned doing their due diligence on Texans QB Deshaun Watson.

— Rob Lowder (@Rob_Lowder) July 27, 2021

You don't make an offer until after you negotiate. They were in the process of talking about it. Here's a direct quote from Shanahan on the matter:

"A half an hour later, my buddy calls me," Shanahan continued. "He's like, 'I'm just telling you, if you want Stafford, you need to get a hold of him right now.' I'm like, 'What do you mean? No, we just talked to people. I can sleep on this. We'll talk to him tomorrow."

"We just talked to people."

Why were they talking to people about Stafford unless their intent was to make an offer for Stafford? The degree to which you people will willfully abandon reality is incredible.

Originally posted by kansasninerfan:

Originally posted by K1ngAsD3rek:
Tried to trade for Stafford? That's a lie

Kyle Shanahan said the #49ers never made an offer for then Lions QB Matthew Stafford. They'd heard he was available, looked into the film, then "woke up and he was on the Rams. So that's frustrating." Also mentioned doing their due diligence on Texans QB Deshaun Watson.

— Rob Lowder (@Rob_Lowder) July 27, 2021

No it really isn't a lie. McVay just beat him to the punch before he could make the trade:
Kyle Shanahan recalls the weekend he tried to trade for Matthew Stafford - Pride Of Detroit - okay no idea why that won't post as a link. The story is out there and it is very clear. Kyle didn't get the chance to make an offer cuz McVay beat him to the punch and he did it just a few doors away in Mexico to throw salt in the wounds

McVay didn't beat him to anything because Shanahan never wanted that career loser from Detroit. He was just being polite when talking about that scrub but that's it.

Originally posted by SkyZer0:
damn bro i dont even remember this conversation lol. how long ago was that chain from?

I don't know I just looked at the last post I made and some of the replies. I don't normally spend a lot of time here until the preseason starts. Too many opportunities to get banned.

Originally posted by richterkbelmont:

Originally posted by kansasninerfan:

Originally posted by K1ngAsD3rek:
Tried to trade for Stafford? That's a lie

Kyle Shanahan said the #49ers never made an offer for then Lions QB Matthew Stafford. They'd heard he was available, looked into the film, then "woke up and he was on the Rams. So that's frustrating." Also mentioned doing their due diligence on Texans QB Deshaun Watson.

— Rob Lowder (@Rob_Lowder) July 27, 2021

No it really isn't a lie. McVay just beat him to the punch before he could make the trade:
Kyle Shanahan recalls the weekend he tried to trade for Matthew Stafford - Pride Of Detroit - okay no idea why that won't post as a link. The story is out there and it is very clear. Kyle didn't get the chance to make an offer cuz McVay beat him to the punch and he did it just a few doors away in Mexico to throw salt in the wounds

McVay didn't beat him to anything because Shanahan never wanted that career loser from Detroit. He was just being polite when talking about that scrub but that's it.

"A half an hour later, my buddy calls me.He's like, 'I'm just telling you, if you want Stafford, you need to get a hold of him right now.' I'm like, 'What do you mean? No, we just talked to people. I can sleep on this. We'll talk to him tomorrow.

And then 10 minutes later, it was all over."

Come back to reality.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by richterkbelmont:

Originally posted by kansasninerfan:

Originally posted by K1ngAsD3rek:
Tried to trade for Stafford? That's a lie

Kyle Shanahan said the #49ers never made an offer for then Lions QB Matthew Stafford. They'd heard he was available, looked into the film, then "woke up and he was on the Rams. So that's frustrating." Also mentioned doing their due diligence on Texans QB Deshaun Watson.

— Rob Lowder (@Rob_Lowder) July 27, 2021

No it really isn't a lie. McVay just beat him to the punch before he could make the trade:
Kyle Shanahan recalls the weekend he tried to trade for Matthew Stafford - Pride Of Detroit - okay no idea why that won't post as a link. The story is out there and it is very clear. Kyle didn't get the chance to make an offer cuz McVay beat him to the punch and he did it just a few doors away in Mexico to throw salt in the wounds

McVay didn't beat him to anything because Shanahan never wanted that career loser from Detroit. He was just being polite when talking about that scrub but that's it.

"A half an hour later, my buddy calls me.He's like, 'I'm just telling you, if you want Stafford, you need to get a hold of him right now.' I'm like, 'What do you mean? No, we just talked to people. I can sleep on this. We'll talk to him tomorrow.

And then 10 minutes later, it was all over."

Come back to reality.

Just random talk, the reality is he didn't want that overrated QB and got a much much better option in the draft. What a relief the niners didn't get that loser.

Originally posted by richterkbelmont:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by richterkbelmont:

Originally posted by kansasninerfan:

Originally posted by K1ngAsD3rek:
Tried to trade for Stafford? That's a lie

Kyle Shanahan said the #49ers never made an offer for then Lions QB Matthew Stafford. They'd heard he was available, looked into the film, then "woke up and he was on the Rams. So that's frustrating." Also mentioned doing their due diligence on Texans QB Deshaun Watson.

— Rob Lowder (@Rob_Lowder) July 27, 2021

No it really isn't a lie. McVay just beat him to the punch before he could make the trade:
Kyle Shanahan recalls the weekend he tried to trade for Matthew Stafford - Pride Of Detroit - okay no idea why that won't post as a link. The story is out there and it is very clear. Kyle didn't get the chance to make an offer cuz McVay beat him to the punch and he did it just a few doors away in Mexico to throw salt in the wounds

McVay didn't beat him to anything because Shanahan never wanted that career loser from Detroit. He was just being polite when talking about that scrub but that's it.

"A half an hour later, my buddy calls me.He's like, 'I'm just telling you, if you want Stafford, you need to get a hold of him right now.' I'm like, 'What do you mean? No, we just talked to people. I can sleep on this. We'll talk to him tomorrow.

And then 10 minutes later, it was all over."

Come back to reality.

Just random talk, the reality is he didn't want that overrated QB and got a much much better option in the draft. What a relief the niners didn't get that loser.

Just random talk? He's specifically talking about trying to get Stafford. That's exactly what they are talking about. More specifically, they are talking about discussing a trade with Detroit. There is nothing random about it.

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Note: Presumably everyone here is glad McVay beat him to the punch (which is exactly what happened), allowing him to get the QB he wanted all along anyway: Trey Lance.
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Sidenote: I picture you, too, in your Limited Edition Jimmy G Super Stud Briefs as you attempt to gaslight the world into denying the fact that Shanahan attempted several times to upgrade the QB position this off-season.