Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Kyle spoke to who's agent ?

if it's that same pod cast.. i didn't here the word agent at all. Lynch usually handles that stuff, so the "people" he said they talked to were most likely his own (Lynch & Co) who talked to Detroits People.

It was on the Peter Schrager pod, I thought he said he spoke to an agent…whomever he spoke to they said they didn't have to make a move until after the weekend, so clearly it was someone in the know. Someone else called him and said make a move now, but he clearly valued whomever he spoke to more on the first call…he said he wasn't happy about it. McVay said it all happened very fast. Sounded like he wasn't expecting it to happen when it did either.

End of the day who cares at the point…they were doing whatever the could to improve at the QB position. Stafford was an option….I have no idea why people in here are so bent out of shape over it (not saying you) It's over. Let's move on folks.

i think it's more of someone taking an interest to actual trading for someone which are two different things.

One thing that all should agree on is that we needed better QB play and a QB that can stay on the field

if we actually traded for him, he would be in SF lol....Who is saying we actually traded for him who would be arguing about that in there?

Yes he was interested in him and from his own mouth basically said he got bad info on when to throw an offer out there. McVay didn't even expect it to happen when it did.

Yes I agree, we needed better QB play and I think we got that. On to TC and real football

some are actually taking the interest as actually trying to trade for him. a whole week went by without trying to talk to Detroit until the day he was traded.

McVay knew, You think Mcvay was kept out of the loop? he may not have known how fast it was going to take ?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Did Kyle say he actually wanted to replace jimmy with Stafford ? no

Do i believe he was interested, yes

So Kyle was interested in replacing Jimmy with Stafford? Great. Let's move on.

lol i guess the interest wasn't that bad huh

"No, we just talked to people. I can sleep on this."

That's pretty high interest. That indicates that what is holding it back is not who is better, but what the price is. There would be nothing to sleep on if it were otherwise.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Kyle spoke to who's agent ?

if it's that same pod cast.. i didn't here the word agent at all. Lynch usually handles that stuff, so the "people" he said they talked to were most likely his own (Lynch & Co) who talked to Detroits People.

It was on the Peter Schrager pod, I thought he said he spoke to an agent…whomever he spoke to they said they didn't have to make a move until after the weekend, so clearly it was someone in the know. Someone else called him and said make a move now, but he clearly valued whomever he spoke to more on the first call…he said he wasn't happy about it. McVay said it all happened very fast. Sounded like he wasn't expecting it to happen when it did either.

End of the day who cares at the point…they were doing whatever the could to improve at the QB position. Stafford was an option….I have no idea why people in here are so bent out of shape over it (not saying you) It's over. Let's move on folks.

i think it's more of someone taking an interest to actual trading for someone which are two different things.

One thing that all should agree on is that we needed better QB play and a QB that can stay on the field

if we actually traded for him, he would be in SF lol....Who is saying we actually traded for him who would be arguing about that in there?

Yes he was interested in him and from his own mouth basically said he got bad info on when to throw an offer out there. McVay didn't even expect it to happen when it did.

Yes I agree, we needed better QB play and I think we got that. On to TC and real football

some are actually taking the interest as actually trying to trade for him. a whole week went by without trying to talk to Detroit until the day he was traded.

McVay knew, You think Mcvay was kept out of the loop? he may not have known how fast it was going to take ?

NY is incorrect here. Kyle would have NOTHING to "sleep on" if at least some terms had not been discussed.

Originally posted by K1ngAsD3rek:
This conversation isn't amazing but I'll leave it at this.

Teams go into off-season interested in people at nearly every position. Jimmy G is often injured so it would be absolutely terrible coaching to not be at least interested in Stafford or Rodgers. But...interest in the grand scheme of things is nothing of importance. We had interest in Gio Bernard and DeDe Westbrook. We had interest in #1 wr Julio so does that mean anything negative about Debo or Aiyuk? No... Interest and actually making an offer are not the same.

Jimmy is our starting QB and they could've moved him if they wanted to. If you guys want someone to blame start at the coaching and fo. But no, they are sticking with him and there's no competition. Now I'm not a huge Jimmy fan myself but he's a lot better than our fans here make him out to be. We can win with him. We can also improve and we're trying, but a majority of the NFL can improve. How many of those 20 guys before Jimmy have even sniffed a winning season or playoffs? If others were so great why were they traded?

Getting Julio doesn't mean we are cutting Deebo and Aiyuk...you can only play one QB and pay one top money. Same at RB, that's not apples to apples.

Again people don't value context in here...Kyle was fed bad info on Stafford and WHEN to make the offer. He literally said that. He said he was pissed about it and McVay said he was shocked when it happened, so he wasn't expecting it to happen when it did either.

You an either believe him or not. whatever there.

You keep telling yourself there is no competition....Kyle said "right now" again people don't like context.

winning seasons and playoffs are not just about a QB, it's about a team top to bottom. Dude Jimmy was literally traded lol.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
NY is incorrect here. Kyle would have NOTHING to "sleep on" if at least some terms had not been discussed.

Dude the person he spoke to said not to make an offer until after the weekend lol. You choose to believe him or not. I don't care

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
NY is incorrect here. Kyle would have NOTHING to "sleep on" if at least some terms had not been discussed.

Dude the person he spoke to said not to make an offer until after the weekend lol. You choose to believe him or not. I don't care

I'm gonna believe what fits my narrative personally.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
some are actually taking the interest as actually trying to trade for him. a whole week went by without trying to talk to Detroit until the day he was traded.

McVay knew, You think Mcvay was kept out of the loop? he may not have known how fast it was going to take ?

McVay literally said it happened fast...he wasn't expecting it to happen when it did. I mean why are we putting words in these guys mouths at this point lol.

They were both interested...the biggest difference IMO was there was a relationship between LA and DET in the FO. They were willing to take Goff (actually want him).

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
NY is incorrect here. Kyle would have NOTHING to "sleep on" if at least some terms had not been discussed.

Dude the person he spoke to said not to make an offer until after the weekend lol. You choose to believe him or not. I don't care

"Making an offer" is not the same thing as "trying to trade for." This is what I am saying.

EDIT - to clarify, "making an offer" is one of the LAST steps in the series of steps of "trying to trade for" someone.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I'm gonna believe what fits my narrative personally.

Seems on point in here lol.

He was fed bad info by someone they clearly felt was close to the situation. IMO the relationship between LA/DET and the fact that Stafford's wife wanted to go to LA made it happen as quick as it did.

Is what it is.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
McVay literally said it happened fast...he wasn't expecting it to happen when it did. I mean why are we putting words in these guys mouths at this point lol.

They were both interested...the biggest difference IMO was there was a relationship between LA and DET in the FO. They were willing to take Goff (actually want him).

One would naturally think that the #1 overall from several years ago has more potential than Jimmy. Simple enough.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I'm gonna believe what fits my narrative personally.

Seems on point in here lol.

He was fed bad info by someone they clearly felt was close to the situation. IMO the relationship between LA/DET and the fact that Stafford's wife wanted to go to LA made it happen as quick as it did.

Is what it is.

But what matters here is that, contrary to the Jimmy Club dogma, Kyle has not been satisfied with Jimmy, and neither should fans be. If, on the other hand, he truly has improved, then 49ers fans should be ecstatic. But I feel we should live in reality, too. Some disagree. Some proudly wave the Banner of Homerism. More power to them.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
"Making an offer" is not the same thing as "trying to trade for." This is what I am saying.

EDIT - to clarify, "making an offer" is one of the LAST steps in the series of steps of "trying to trade for" someone.

I mean no on is saying SF made an offer...I don't know why anyone keeps bringing up that? No on is arguing it.

He was interested in Matt, was fed bad info on when to make an offer, and then it happened right under his noise. He said he was pissed about it... End of the day, they went in a different direction and I think it's a better one.

One thing no one care argue with was there was no chance SF was rolling into 2021 without upgrading at QB.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
"Making an offer" is not the same thing as "trying to trade for." This is what I am saying.

EDIT - to clarify, "making an offer" is one of the LAST steps in the series of steps of "trying to trade for" someone.

I mean no on is saying SF made an offer...I don't know why anyone keeps bringing up that? No on is arguing it.

He was interested in Matt, was fed bad info on when to make an offer, and then it happened right under his noise. He said he was pissed about it... End of the day, they went in a different direction and I think it's a better one.

One thing no one care argue with was there was no chance SF was rolling into 2021 without upgrading at QB.

Yeah this is 100% correct.

But the reason why people keep bringing it up is because it's a convenient strawman that allows them to escape facing reality.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by K1ngAsD3rek:
Sure it is. If they actually tried there'd be an offer. There wasn't. There never was.

Context, got listen to the pod when Kyle explained it in detail. He was told by his agent that they didn't have to make an offer until after the weekend.

Kyle spoke to who's agent ?

if it's that same pod cast.. i didn't here the word agent at all. Lynch usually handles that stuff, so the "people" he said they talked to were most likely his own (Lynch & Co) who relayed/talked to Detroits People.

Kyle said he was interested. It's over.

that has nothing to do with the claim of trying to trade for him

Kyle is interested in everyone.. as he and lynch expressed since day one

The latter sentence is b******t and there is no doubt that you are aware of that. You know, as does everyone here, that Kyle was actively looking to upgrade the starting QB position. Hence the discussions about Stafford. Hence the call about Rodgers. Hence the trading of two first round picks+ for the right to choose Trey Lance.

lol it's not BS. They have said that. You are trying to make interest into officially trying to trade for someone is false

We were tied to every avail QB.. it doesn't mean we tried to trade or sign everyone is the point

No, I'm not, and neither is anyone else here. This is what I'm saying: Kyle Shanahan wanted to upgrade the starting QB position. In doing so, he investigated opportunities to upgrade the starting QB position. One of those opportunities — one in which he obviously had intent to consummate if the intended negotiations would prove advantageous, according to the obvious inference from his own words — was with Matthew Stafford, who by said inference, he clearly believed would have been an upgrade.

Additionally, it is clear and obvious he viewed Aaron Rodgers as being a superior choice, both over Jimmy and Trey (and anyone else they might have considered to be draftable at 3). And rightfully so, as all video evidence suggests that is the case.

But at no point was my argument or anyone else's argument that we "officially attempted to trade" for anyone. Kyle has said that he wanted further opportunity to negotiate a trade, and that he lost the opportunity to do so due to incorrect information he was given. There is no other possible reasonable interpretation of the words that came out of his mouth.

"No, we just talked to people. I can sleep on this."

He would have nothing to "sleep on" if he didn't think Stafford was an upgrade. He wouldn't have even considered it, because no trade would have been worth it, short of Detroit giving us extra pics for Jimmy. Likewise with Rodgers. No call would have ever been made. And likewise with Trey. No trade would have been made.

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But once again I must qualify this post: Just because Jimmy hasn't been good enough for our coach to be fully satisfied with in the past does not mean he hasn't made significant strides this off-season. Unlike 2019, when he threw 5 pics right off the bat, all signs indicated that he finally got better. The better he has gotten, the better our chances of winning a Super Bowl, and higher pick we'll get when we trade him next season.

please show me where he said in his own words he wanted to negotiate a trade ?

You keep throwing jimmy fan stuff, but it's not going to work with me. The 49ers kick the tires on everyone every year. There was plenty of time to get the trade done if they needed to.

I wanted Watson and i feel the 49ers wanted him also. I also feel that is the reason Stafford wasn't an urgent need as we had options to upgrade QB still ahead of us with the possiblity of Watson and the draft (which was my offseason hopes at QB)

I think it was more that Stafford wasn't interested in the 49ers.