Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by Crown:
How did we go from "It takes 2 years to learn this offense" to "Trade JG and start a rookie" ?

Its just recency bias if yall think Jimmys superbowl run was more impressive as a QB then Kaps was.

Kap had to go up against the Packers who up until that point, we hadnt beat since 98. Rogers also was coming off a 2011 MVP season and led the league in 2012 in passer rating and was 2nd in TDs. Kap made the Packers look absolutely silly.

We then had to go to the Georgia dome to play against the #1 seed Falcons. Kap and co made a comeback down 17 points.

Obviously both failed in the superbowl but theres no way anyone can argue that Jimmy was more impressive then Kap that season.

Kap was being talked about like he was going to be the next big superstar. There was never any hype like that surrounding Jimmy. In fact, Jimmys peak in terms of hype around the league was probably 2017.

Both had amazing teams around them though.

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
Its just recency bias if yall think Jimmys superbowl run was more impressive as a QB then Kaps was.

Kap had to go up against the Packers who up until that point, we hadnt beat since 98. Rogers also was coming off a 2011 MVP season and led the league in 2012 in passer rating and was 2nd in TDs. Kap made the Packers look absolutely silly.

We then had to go to the Georgia dome to play against the #1 seed Falcons. Kap and co made a comeback down 17 points.

Obviously both failed in the superbowl but theres no way anyone can argue that Jimmy was more impressive then Kap that season.

Kap was being talked about like he was going to be the next big superstar. There was never any hype like that surrounding Jimmy. In fact, Jimmys peak in terms of hype around the league was probably 2017.

Both had amazing teams around them though.

This. ^^. Unfortunately, neither QB lived up to the hype and that's why we're In this situation we're In now, with Lance soon to take over at the helm.

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
Its just recency bias if yall think Jimmys superbowl run was more impressive as a QB then Kaps was.

Kap had to go up against the Packers who up until that point, we hadnt beat since 98. Rogers also was coming off a 2011 MVP season and led the league in 2012 in passer rating and was 2nd in TDs. Kap made the Packers look absolutely silly.

We then had to go to the Georgia dome to play against the #1 seed Falcons. Kap and co made a comeback down 17 points.

Obviously both failed in the superbowl but theres no way anyone can argue that Jimmy was more impressive then Kap that season.

Kap was being talked about like he was going to be the next big superstar. There was never any hype like that surrounding Jimmy. In fact, Jimmys peak in terms of hype around the league was probably 2017.

Both had amazing teams around them though.

recency bias? nah its Jimmy bias. Goatie even claimed that Jimmy is better than Smith as well.

and yes, Kap was getting high praises throughout the league and especially with the media. Jimmy has yet to sniff that kind of recognition. what Kap did for a that season and a half was a pretty damn good. and if Jimmy would've lit the league up like that, there would be no talk of drafting another QB, even with his injuries.

teams stick with great QBs, even if they have injuries, esepcially when those QBs are still in their prime. Luck is a good example.

Originally posted by Crown:
How did we go from "It takes 2 years to learn this offense" to "Trade JG and start a rookie" ?

Good question.

And it's not so much "it takes 2 years to learn this offense"...I've heard it's more like "it takes two seasons to be close to mastering this offense," where you're on almost the exact same page as Shanahan when the play call comes in re: facing D formations, down & distance, game situation, etc. (I heard Matt Ryan was at that point sometime in his Year 2).

Two great things about this team's top two QBs going into this season: 1) Garoppolo has an excellent grasp of this offense and has shown he can be very effective; 2) Lance is said to be picking things up quickly and we keep hearing about his outstanding overall work ethic.

Originally posted by Crown:
How did we go from "It takes 2 years to learn this offense" to "Trade JG and start a rookie" ?

RG3 picked up an abridged version quickly and was immediately successful. I agree it takes a long time to master the full offense, but Jimmy was successful with a few weeks in the system in 2017. And from everything we've heard, Lance is a quick study.

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
Its just recency bias if yall think Jimmys superbowl run was more impressive as a QB then Kaps was.

We leaned on Kap,...but Jimmy was a liability more than anything during the playoff run. He helped us get to the playoffs for sure though.

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Originally posted by Dsoto87:
Its just recency bias if yall think Jimmys superbowl run was more impressive as a QB then Kaps was.

Kap had to go up against the Packers who up until that point, we hadnt beat since 98. Rogers also was coming off a 2011 MVP season and led the league in 2012 in passer rating and was 2nd in TDs. Kap made the Packers look absolutely silly.

We then had to go to the Georgia dome to play against the #1 seed Falcons. Kap and co made a comeback down 17 points.

Obviously both failed in the superbowl but theres no way anyone can argue that Jimmy was more impressive then Kap that season.

Kap was being talked about like he was going to be the next big superstar. There was never any hype like that surrounding Jimmy. In fact, Jimmys peak in terms of hype around the league was probably 2017.

Both had amazing teams around them though.

This. ^^. Unfortunately, neither QB lived up to the hype and that's why we're In this situation we're In now, with Lance soon to take over at the helm.

"Recency bias," thanks, Desoto for my new vocabulary phrase for the day! I need to use it in a sentence to reinforce it in my my memory: I am recency biased against the years of mediocrity since Mooch left (with the notable positive blip during Harbaugh's regime).

Unfortunately for Jimmy G, he's been too much quarterbackus interruptus. Hopefully he'll partially redeem his image by bringing home the big Lombardi.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
recency bias? nah its Jimmy bias. Goatie even claimed that Jimmy is better than Smith as well.

and yes, Kap was getting high praises throughout the league and especially with the media. Jimmy has yet to sniff that kind of recognition. what Kap did for a that season and a half was a pretty damn good. and if Jimmy would've lit the league up like that, there would be no talk of drafting another QB, even with his injuries.

teams stick with great QBs, even if they have injuries, esepcially when those QBs are still in their prime. Luck is a good example.

Part of it has to do with the fact that it seemed he did his damage running and not throwing which just isn't sustainable over a long period of time. Eventually you have to learn how to throw the football and make good decisions. Like every 9er fan I had a great time watching him run for 200 yards against the Packers but I was also ready to see him gone shortly after when it became apparent that he was not progressing as a thrower. He made awful decisions, he held onto the ball for entirely too long and just made mistakes at the absolute worst moments that led directly to the team being worse. One could argue that what I just stated could be copy/pasted onto Jimmy as well.

At the end of the day both of them hit a ceiling and were simply incapable of sustaining a high level of play over a period of time enough for us to see them as a FQB and both will be replaced as a result.

Kap was better in 12 than Jimmy. The rest of his career not so much but he did start off on fire. Would of won a SB too if either the d or special teams showed up. Jimmy would of won if the d won it for him. He's a better qb than Kap overall but that 1 stretch Kap was a legit franchise qb.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
recency bias? nah its Jimmy bias. Goatie even claimed that Jimmy is better than Smith as well.

and yes, Kap was getting high praises throughout the league and especially with the media. Jimmy has yet to sniff that kind of recognition. what Kap did for a that season and a half was a pretty damn good. and if Jimmy would've lit the league up like that, there would be no talk of drafting another QB, even with his injuries.

teams stick with great QBs, even if they have injuries, esepcially when those QBs are still in their prime. Luck is a good example.

Kap got high praises because he was a Vince Young that could actually throw the ball. Then ESPN ran away with the height, weight, speed, arm strength stats and crowned him the next big thing.

Kap's first season made it look like the niners we're gonna be unstoppable for years but then he got found out. And his supporting cast was vastly better than what JG walked into.

JG had a similar phenomenon. Was gun slinging it and making a pitiful niners roster look like an actual playoff team finishing off that 5-0.

Both playoff runs were great but in different ways. Kaps run had huge swings and comebacks, key plays and was more impressive individually.

2019 niners literally ran into the Super Bowl. It never looked like the other team had a chance. So it was more impressive as a team.

The rest is history, both never reached their pedestal the fans put them on. I'd still take JG over Kap every day of the week though, JG never lost his job to Blane Gabbert and can actually read the field before panicking, Kap looked at Boldin and then just ran if he couldn't throw a bullet to him.

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:
Kap got high praises because he was a Vince Young that could actually throw the ball. Then ESPN ran away with the height, weight, speed, arm strength stats and crowned him the next big thing.

Kap's first season made it look like the niners we're gonna be unstoppable for years but then he got found out. And his supporting cast was vastly better than what JG walked into.

JG had a similar phenomenon. Was gun slinging it and making a pitiful niners roster look like an actual playoff team finishing off that 5-0.

Both playoff runs were great but in different ways. Kaps run had huge swings and comebacks, key plays and was more impressive individually.

2019 niners literally ran into the Super Bowl. It never looked like the other team had a chance. So it was more impressive as a team.

The rest is history, both never reached their pedestal the fans put them on. I'd still take JG over Kap every day of the week though, JG never lost his job to Blane Gabbert and can actually read the field before panicking, Kap looked at Boldin and then just ran if he couldn't throw a bullet to him.

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Just like television often mistakes the terms skinny and beautiful I found the same thing with Kap throwing and being a passer. The guy could throw it a mile at 200 MPH but he often couldn't hit the broad side of a barn or threw lasers when he needed to put some touch on it. He was a baseball pitcher, not a QB.

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Lol let's trade Jimmy to the Colts and start the season with a 20 year old rookie QB from North Dakota who hasn't played a full football season in nearly 2 years with a roster that's trying to get back to the super bowl.

Jesus tap dancing Christ

Lol let's keep hoping for Jimmy to play this season like we did in 2018, 2019, and 2020 and maybe we can get a full football season like 2 years ago. Hmmm funny that you knocking Lance for his lone 2019 season and yet…..

show me where I was "knocking" Lance in that post. I want him to kick ass. But it isn't going to be this year. It's already been proven over and over again, this team can win when Jimmy is under center. And with the best OLine he's had since he's got here ,Aiyuk, Deebo, & Kittle to throw to. I love our chances at taking another shot at a deep playoff run.

Really?

Where's the lies?

Now If I would've posted something like "Trey is a massively overrated Kaepernick clone and John and Kyle are morons for giving up 3 first round picks for a player who isn't expected to start anytime this year, they were better off drafting Kyle Pitts " you'd have a point

it's like people dont understand the difference between objective fact (1+1=2) and subjective opinion (vanilla is the worst ice cream flavor).

Where did I say you lied?

I just find it funny that you mentioned Lance not playing a full football season in nearly 2 years (2019) and yet the same can be said about Jimmy no?

boast, you commenting to me? Just curious

Again, not "knocking" just stated facts. Also Jimmy has been in the league since 2014 and has proven that he's a damn good qb who wins games when healthy, for how limited it was, played more football than Trey in 2020, on an ankle that was inches from snapping. apples and oranges

can we AT LEAST see what Trey does in the preseason before even considering getting rid of the best QB we've had since Young and Garcia?

No one can seriously argue Smith and Kap were better then JG right?

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They definitely had more successful careers.

in terms of avoiding injury most of the time? Jimmy's is still ongoing. pretty premature comparison.

Well up to this point, they both have definitely had more successful careers.

in terms of game vs. game sample it's hard to compare because Jimmy has 1. Sat 2. missed so much time due to injury. 7ish years and only 1 full season as a starter like are we comparing full seasons vs. full seasons statistically or are we comparing consistecy in availability is the thing

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Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
Its just recency bias if yall think Jimmys superbowl run was more impressive as a QB then Kaps was.

We leaned on Kap,...but Jimmy was a liability more than anything during the playoff run. He helped us get to the playoffs for sure though.

He was no more a liability than say, Sherman getting his ass beat by Watkins on a long pass or even better yet the liability of getting f**ked on 3rd & 15 by the bulls**t Refs.