Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
Wait, so people are actually triggered that there's never been a QB competition, and Jimmy is the projected starter going into week 1? If only Kyle told us this from the very beginning….oh wait

Yep, it's been obvious since draft night when they took Lance that Jimmy would be here for 2021, no team has the cap room needed to make a deal work, plus he has a NTC, other than the Colts, idk who else could use a QB, WFT has Fitzpatrick, DEN has Teddy, & the kid they took in the 2nd rd last year I think. I just don't see a trade happening, Jimmy would need to waive the NTC, not sure he would.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
Wait, so people are actually triggered that there's never been a QB competition, and Jimmy is the projected starter going into week 1? If only Kyle told us this from the very beginning….oh wait

Yep, it's been obvious since draft night when they took Lance that Jimmy would be here for 2021, no team has the cap room needed to make a deal work, plus he has a NTC, other than the Colts, idk who else could use a QB, WFT has Fitzpatrick, DEN has Teddy, & the kid they took in the 2nd rd last year I think. I just don't see a trade happening, Jimmy would need to waive the NTC, not sure he would.

Oh ya......and JL went to Jed to get the green light to keep JG at 25 mil and trade draft capital to get aTL. Not sure why he would do that if it wasnt his true intention.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Yep, it's been obvious since draft night when they took Lance that Jimmy would be here for 2021, no team has the cap room needed to make a deal work, plus he has a NTC, other than the Colts, idk who else could use a QB, WFT has Fitzpatrick, DEN has Teddy, & the kid they took in the 2nd rd last year I think. I just don't see a trade happening, Jimmy would need to waive the NTC, not sure he would.

I think it was 49ersATT who spoke at length about leverage, both JG's and the 49ers'. I think he nailed it.

I don't see how they can move JG. They would have to sit him down and tell him, point blank, he isn't starting. Then, JG would have to not be the type of player who would just collect money not to play (not implying he is or is not). Then, you have to find a team where the math works. And JG has to want to play there. It seems like it would be possible--but ridiculously unlikely.

Personally, I think you go to the Colts, tell them JG for Buckner straight up. Each team absorbs the new contracts. Let Buckner play QB for all I care. I love that guy. Not Frank Gore love, but it was trending in that direction.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
You saw how a heathy Jimmy G treated the Seahawks 2019.

If the 49ers are healthy, Hawks shouldn't stand a chance

This. Also the Seahawks had a better secondary and pass rush in 2019. A better defense. Now with Witherspoon and DJ Reed and Aiyuk Deebo and Kittle with an improved OL, especially on the interior? Game over man. Game over

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Yep, it's been obvious since draft night when they took Lance that Jimmy would be here for 2021, no team has the cap room needed to make a deal work, plus he has a NTC, other than the Colts, idk who else could use a QB, WFT has Fitzpatrick, DEN has Teddy, & the kid they took in the 2nd rd last year I think. I just don't see a trade happening, Jimmy would need to waive the NTC, not sure he would.

I think it was 49ersATT who spoke at length about leverage, both JG's and the 49ers'. I think he nailed it.

I don't see how they can move JG. They would have to sit him down and tell him, point blank, he isn't starting. Then, JG would have to not be the type of player who would just collect money not to play (not implying he is or is not). Then, you have to find a team where the math works. And JG has to want to play there. It seems like it would be possible--but ridiculously unlikely.

Personally, I think you go to the Colts, tell them JG for Buckner straight up. Each team absorbs the new contracts. Let Buckner play QB for all I care. I love that guy. Not Frank Gore love, but it was trending in that direction.

Yeah, it'd be very tough to trade him, since he can decline a trade, no team has cap room, and I don't see the 49ers cutting him, I don't want to have a Trey Lance & Rosen or Sudfeld QB1 & QB2, I have faith in Trey, but not Sudfeld & Rosen, I'd rather keep just JG and Lance.

Lol, the Colts would never do that, but yeah would be great, but also would make it tough long term to keep our own, it's the reason why we drafted Trey, so we can move on from Jimmy in 2022, not having a QB making $30M+ a yr on the cap will help get Bosa, Deebo, & Dre extended next offseason, plus help bring back whatever core guys they want back, Mostert, Wilson, Laken, Jones, Verrett, K'Waun, Tartt, then beyond 2022 it'll help to get Aiyuk & Kinlaw extended, low 2023 cap numbers, backloaded as the cap will explode in 2024 to the $260M range. If I'm correct, and the cap goes up by as much as $20M, the cap should go like this.

2024- $260M
2025- $280M
2026- $300M
2027- $320M
2028- $340M
2029- $360M
2030- $380M
2031- $400M (New CBA will have to be negotiated, as it ends after 2030 I think, or it may be 2031)

If by some chance 2023 is the year it hits $260M, then by 2025 the cap will hit $300M.

And imagine what Trey Lance's 2nd contract could look like if he does turn into anywhere near Mahomes 2.0, could be as high as $50M a yr, I mean Mahomes is at $45M, Josh Allen $43M, so it may even be higher than $50M, will depend on how he develops.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
Wait, so people are actually triggered that there's never been a QB competition, and Jimmy is the projected starter going into week 1? If only Kyle told us this from the very beginning….oh wait

Yep, it's been obvious since draft night when they took Lance that Jimmy would be here for 2021, no team has the cap room needed to make a deal work, plus he has a NTC, other than the Colts, idk who else could use a QB, WFT has Fitzpatrick, DEN has Teddy, & the kid they took in the 2nd rd last year I think. I just don't see a trade happening, Jimmy would need to waive the NTC, not sure he would.

If Lock and Teddy don't look good (reports so far suggest both have been mediocre), I could definitely see the Broncos being interested. Fangio could be out if the team doesn't at least get above .500 this year.

As far as Fitz, I think it's pretty amazing that WFT is relying on a guy to lead them to the playoffs who is 39 and never been to the postseason.

There is zero to suggest JG is going anywhere and a pile of reasons to think he is staying. One must also consider the locker room and the effects on players. I believe JG is well liked in the room. How this gets handled is really important for team chemistry. I think the 49ers front office showed that by not asking JG to renegoiate his contract and giving him every opportunity to save face. This is a win/win situation. Not sure why everyone is so delirous about it.

I have high hopes for Jimmy this season. If he can stay healthy, I think he will take the next step in his development and has a chance to push into the top-12 QBs. Some very good QBs weren't very good in their first 32 starts (Aikman/Brees/Elway/Favre)*. This is essentially year 3 for him.

*Yes, I know that there have been a lot more bad QBs that also weren't very good in their first 32 starts.

Originally posted by TD49ers:
There is zero to suggest JG is going anywhere and a pile of reasons to think he is staying. One must also consider the locker room and the effects on players. I believe JG is well liked in the room. How this gets handled is really important for team chemistry. I think the 49ers front office showed that by not asking JG to renegoiate his contract and giving him every opportunity to save face. This is a win/win situation. Not sure why everyone is so delirous about it.

Ya the locker room effect is a big one. A lot of these guys resigned back bc they think that Jimmy will be the QB and they do like him.

But players also hate seeing the best player not get the job. So I don't think that would be an issue as long as Trey looks better. Same goes for Trey though, players won't be happy if he gets to start just bc we gave up so much. Both players have to earn it.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
There is zero to suggest JG is going anywhere and a pile of reasons to think he is staying. One must also consider the locker room and the effects on players. I believe JG is well liked in the room. How this gets handled is really important for team chemistry. I think the 49ers front office showed that by not asking JG to renegoiate his contract and giving him every opportunity to save face. This is a win/win situation. Not sure why everyone is so delirous about it.

Ya the locker room effect is a big one. A lot of these guys resigned back bc they think that Jimmy will be the QB and they do like him.

But players also hate seeing the best player not get the job. So I don't think that would be an issue as long as Trey looks better. Same goes for Trey though, players won't be happy if he gets to start just bc we gave up so much. Both players have to earn it.

Excellent point

Let's also take into consideration that every throw Jimmy makes after he takes a snap from Mack is with a wet and slippery ball.

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
There is zero to suggest JG is going anywhere and a pile of reasons to think he is staying. One must also consider the locker room and the effects on players. I believe JG is well liked in the room. How this gets handled is really important for team chemistry. I think the 49ers front office showed that by not asking JG to renegoiate his contract and giving him every opportunity to save face. This is a win/win situation. Not sure why everyone is so delirous about it.

Ya the locker room effect is a big one. A lot of these guys resigned back bc they think that Jimmy will be the QB and they do like him.

But players also hate seeing the best player not get the job. So I don't think that would be an issue as long as Trey looks better. Same goes for Trey though, players won't be happy if he gets to start just bc we gave up so much. Both players have to earn it.

Excellent point

If FO were as ruthless with JG as some on this forum then team moral would be zero and there would be a massive exodus to other teams and it would be Tomsula time again.

Lynch and Shanahan are a little bit more intelligent to through a rookie in as starting QB for the first game when they have a competent QB who knows the system real well and is healthy. Competition is good and time will tell who is the best. For now JM is going nowhere and I have no reason to think he will not be healthy this season especially now he has a competent Oline. Can't wait to see Trey on Saturday. Can't wait for the real comp to begin.

Go Niners!

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
There is zero to suggest JG is going anywhere and a pile of reasons to think he is staying. One must also consider the locker room and the effects on players. I believe JG is well liked in the room. How this gets handled is really important for team chemistry. I think the 49ers front office showed that by not asking JG to renegoiate his contract and giving him every opportunity to save face. This is a win/win situation. Not sure why everyone is so delirous about it.

Ya the locker room effect is a big one. A lot of these guys resigned back bc they think that Jimmy will be the QB and they do like him.

But players also hate seeing the best player not get the job. So I don't think that would be an issue as long as Trey looks better. Same goes for Trey though, players won't be happy if he gets to start just bc we gave up so much. Both players have to earn it.

Excellent point

If FO were as ruthless with JG as some on this forum then team moral would be zero and there would be a massive exodus to other teams and it would be Tomsula time again.

Lynch and Shanahan are a little bit more intelligent to through a rookie in as starting QB for the first game when they have a competent QB who knows the system real well and is healthy. Competition is good and time will tell who is the best. For now JM is going nowhere and I have no reason to think he will not be healthy this season especially now he has a competent Oline. Can't wait to see Trey on Saturday. Can't wait for the real comp to begin.

Go Niners!

Agreed Jimmy is a solid qb he wouldnt have had such a good record if he wasnt his problem has mainly been injury related. Yes he doesn't have superstar potential and thats for many reasons but we can win a SB with him and this roster.

Either way he wont be starting next year and I want Lance to sit a few games at the minimum. I think the bye week is a good time to reevaluate assuming JG isnt injured

Originally posted by Goatie:
If FO were as ruthless with JG as some on this forum then team moral would be zero and there would be a massive exodus to other teams and it would be Tomsula time again.

You don't see drafting Trey in the manner they did was ruthless? Why or Why not?