Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Luck, did the pass bounce off a few players and landed in deebos hands or something?

No. Deebo lined up on the wrong side and an inexperienced WR that played for the Cardinals last year had to ad lib:

"It's the same kind of route but the outside receivers, you go back and look at the play, we was kind of communicating before the ball was snapped, and Trent [Sherfield] being the pro that he is, he knew I lined up wrong, so he had to change his route. And he knew what the concept was, so we just made it happen."

Where's the luck?

sounds like great adjustments and execution by our players

You just answered your own question regarding adjustment.

A guy lining up on the wrong side for a play design, however, will never be great execution. The outcome was great,... Not the execution. As we know though, you will not stop at convincing yourself that falsehoods are facts.

What.. dude I'm debating your luck statement. Not one time did you answer why you said it was luck

talk about falsehoods lol

He lined up wrong. That's not great play execution fella. Sorry.

i see you don't know the meaning on Luck and i seen that you don;t know the meaning of execution

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Luck, did the pass bounce off a few players and landed in deebos hands or something?

No. Deebo lined up on the wrong side and an inexperienced WR that played for the Cardinals last year had to ad lib:

"It's the same kind of route but the outside receivers, you go back and look at the play, we was kind of communicating before the ball was snapped, and Trent [Sherfield] being the pro that he is, he knew I lined up wrong, so he had to change his route. And he knew what the concept was, so we just made it happen."

I think the fact Trent adjusted his route improvisationally/accordingly is rather a testament to his experience, not inexperience.

Or his wits,...being a smart player.

Either way,...10 catches over 3 years isin't alot of NFL experience. It's minimal. Given that, the statement's still very accurate. This is kinda like where a word has 5 definitions and you waste a bunch of time arguing it's not 1 of them. Okay,...there's 4 more definitions though? Context is everything.

Originally posted by random49er:
You're completely lost on the difference, IT-at-Home guy. This is no surprise.

hey random....what was the point of this comment? what does Woo's profession have to do with comments on Jimmy G?

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by random49er:
You're completely lost on the difference, IT-at-Home guy. This is no surprise.

hey random....what was the point of this comment? what does Woo's profession have to do with comments on Jimmy G?

Woo was flexing a couple days ago how much more he makes than that guy who's a blogger for bleacher report.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Luck, did the pass bounce off a few players and landed in deebos hands or something?

No. Deebo lined up on the wrong side and an inexperienced WR that played for the Cardinals last year had to ad lib:

"It's the same kind of route but the outside receivers, you go back and look at the play, we was kind of communicating before the ball was snapped, and Trent [Sherfield] being the pro that he is, he knew I lined up wrong, so he had to change his route. And he knew what the concept was, so we just made it happen."

Where's the luck?

sounds like great adjustments and execution by our players

You just answered your own question regarding adjustment.

A guy lining up on the wrong side for a play design, however, will never be great execution. The outcome was great,... Not the execution. As we know though, you will not stop at convincing yourself that falsehoods are facts.

What.. dude I'm debating your luck statement. Not one time did you answer why you said it was luck

talk about falsehoods lol

He lined up wrong. That's not great play execution fella. Sorry.

It's not by Deebo - maybe you should go make that point in the Deebo thread.

Bingo

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by random49er:
You're completely lost on the difference, IT-at-Home guy. This is no surprise.

hey random....what was the point of this comment? what does Woo's profession have to do with comments on Jimmy G?

Woo was flexing a couple days ago how much more he makes than that guy who's a blogger for bleacher report.

random adamantly says not to bring up non-49er related things or passive attacks into conversations here. yet here he is doing just that.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by 49ERnation:

49ers' Deebo Samuel lined up on the wrong side but turned it into one of the biggest plays of the game 👀

(🔈 via @957thegame) pic.twitter.com/zJVcMbKIMF

— 𝙏𝙝𝙚𝙎𝙁𝙉𝙞𝙣𝙚𝙧𝙨 (@TheSFNiners_) September 23, 2021

Deebo on the wrong side lol good job on Jimmy and Trent to adjust the play

Wow, that makes sense. The other side was an Ohio amd if Deebo is there you get a triple concept, Ohio, Divide and sucker. Still puts Deebo as the 3rd and sherffield did a great job communicating to create the divide concept. But that triple combo makes more sense vs zone than what we ran as it gives 3 options vs different possible zones.

Kinda knocks the wind out of your sails a little bit with all of that stock put into the greatness of it then finding out we just got lucky on that one. But yea that's where veteran leadership comes into play to help win a close one.

Not at all, actually adds to it actually adds to it if you pay attention to the routes.

I've mentioned the the concepts above, with Hasty's route it creates the same triple concept to the left. Jimmy works the Ohio 1-2 to his right- yiu can see it on film, then moves to the 3 to Deebo in the same sucker concept he would've had to his right. It just was a harder read for him than if the play was ran as called as it would've all been on one side.

No luck at all. That's good execution all the way around.

was Trent's route adjustment a product of his knowledge with the concepts in Shanahan's playbook, or was that a product of his overall knowledge with how route concepts work together in general?

there was a mistake made and they improvised properly to make it work. I agree, that's not luck at all.

not 100% but I'm pretty sure it's just knowledge of general concepts applied and understanding what concept it at work here.

The divide concept has been around for a long time and is ran by most teams, so Sherrffield, if he understands the play - this wouldn't be his first time seeing this route combination, understands what route needs to be paired with Deebo's to create the divide concept.

It's not dissimilar to when I'm playing madden and some plays I pick because I can change some routes if need be to create a more favorable concept at work. Like, I'll choose some plays that have a post from the slot because that gives me a ton of options regardless. I can hot route a go route outside and create a divide, I can hot route an in route from the TE and create a PIN, I can hot route an in from the outside receiver and create a levels, I can hot route a deeper in from the outside and create a dagger - and so on. If you understand the passing concepts from a macro level, you understand what needs to be paired with what.

that is what my impression was as well. thanks!

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
They numbered and ranked the ratings in order and you are arguing they are not rankings. That us dumb as is your attempt to.make fun of my profession.
You are a clown.

Statistical ratings are pretty much calculations,...the attempt is to leave opinion out as much as possible and just spit out a number for comparison to others.

Rankings involve opinion. It's completely nonsensical to huff and puff over Winston having the 1st week's highest rating like the the purpose of it was to involve their opinion.

It's just 1 week!!!! The system isin't a "joke",...it's just your interpretation is out of whack and you're not at all understanding the point. PFF is going to continue to advertise them -- early or not -- because they're a company. It's in their interest to continually promote their product.

However,...it takes time for these ratings to accrue and take on legitimate meaning. I understand that they're not for everyone, but that's just how statistics work. The more data that becomes involved, the more meaningful the statistic should be.

Contrast that to NFL.com RANKING Winston ahead of Jimmy G due to one 5 TD week where I dont think he even eclipsed 200 yards passing the ball. Now THEY deserve criticism for that. Jimmy had a bad year last year, but they moved Winston up too soon. Directing criticism towards their rankings would make much more sense than arguing early-season PFF ratings are garbage because 1 player is ahead of the other.

They're not necessarily garbage,...PFF's system simply suggests a player had a good week. Nothing more.

Hope that helps you understand the difference so the back and forth about nothing can subside.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Luck, did the pass bounce off a few players and landed in deebos hands or something?

No. Deebo lined up on the wrong side and an inexperienced WR that played for the Cardinals last year had to ad lib:

"It's the same kind of route but the outside receivers, you go back and look at the play, we was kind of communicating before the ball was snapped, and Trent [Sherfield] being the pro that he is, he knew I lined up wrong, so he had to change his route. And he knew what the concept was, so we just made it happen."

I think the fact Trent adjusted his route improvisationally/accordingly is rather a testament to his experience, not inexperience.

Or his wits,...being a smart player.

Either way,...10 catches over 3 years isin't alot of NFL experience. It's minimal. Given that, the statement's still very accurate. This is kinda like where a word has 5 definitions and you waste a bunch of time arguing it's not 1 of them. Okay,...there's 4 more definitions though? Context is everything.

or being a smart player stemming from how route concepts work by being in the league long enough. NFL experience goes beyond just stats. his adjustment comes from film room study and knowledge acquired from playbooks over the years and route concept knowledge in general.

why does this have to be so back and forth? they made it work. he adjusted his route to make Deebo's route on the wrong side of the play work. awesome. Jimmy connected with Deebo threading the needle. awesome. Deebo is a beast after the catch. awesome. this should be a fun thing to discuss and enjoy as fans lol

Originally posted by SkyZer0:
or being a smart player stemming from how route concepts work by being in the league long enough.

Alright

Originally posted by SkyZer0:
NFL experience goes beyond just stats.

They certainly do. You're really trying to say tho that a guy with 30 catches over his 1st 3 years is a very experienced NFL receiver? Yes or No?

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:
or being a smart player stemming from how route concepts work by being in the league long enough.

Alright

Originally posted by SkyZer0:
NFL experience goes beyond just stats.

They certainly do. You're really trying to say tho that a guy with 30 catches over his 1st 3 years is a very experienced NFL receiver? Yes or No?

All I've read about him thus far is how much he's learned behind Larry Fitzgerald over his few years there. Sitting and learning.

A rookie can sit and learn behind Tom Brady for 3 years but I'm not ready to call them an experienced player once they step in for Tom. Learned, well-tutored, smart, etc. are all applicable. Not experienced.

im saying a guy with 3 years of being in the NFL, being on multiple teams, learning different playbooks, studying in the film room, gives him the experience needed to make adjustments on the fly like that with his route in that exact example with Deebo.

*edited to include your edit

Originally posted by SkyZer0:
im saying a guy with 3 years of being in the NFL, being on multiple teams, learning different playbooks, studying in the film room, gives him the experience needed to make adjustments on the fly like that with his route in that exact example with Deebo.

All I've read about him thus far is how much he's learned behind Larry Fitzgerald over his few years there. Sitting, watching, listening and learning.

A rookie can sit and learn behind Tom Brady for 3 years but I'm not ready to call them an experienced player once they step in for Tom. Learned, well-tutored, smart, etc. are all applicable. Not experienced. My context is obviously totally different than yours.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:
im saying a guy with 3 years of being in the NFL, being on multiple teams, learning different playbooks, studying in the film room, gives him the experience needed to make adjustments on the fly like that with his route in that exact example with Deebo.

All I've read about him thus far is how much he's learned behind Larry Fitzgerald over his few years there. Sitting and learning.

A rookie can sit and learn behind Tom Brady for 3 years but I'm not ready to call them an experienced player once they step in for Tom. Learned, well-tutored, smart, etc. are all applicable. Not experienced. My context is obviously totally different than yours.

Lol I just edited in your edit. it's fine.

anyways, yeah, you're referring to in-game, performance experience based off catches, etc.

I'm referring 100% to the mental aspect. because that's what that adjustment was he made; an adjustment where he had to use his knowledge of route combinations to make it work alongside Deebo's route. that's the kind of experience you get from studying in the film room, sitting, learning, etc. white board stuff.

it was an x's and o's heads up play through and through. pretty sure we can agree on that

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:
im saying a guy with 3 years of being in the NFL, being on multiple teams, learning different playbooks, studying in the film room, gives him the experience needed to make adjustments on the fly like that with his route in that exact example with Deebo.

All I've read about him thus far is how much he's learned behind Larry Fitzgerald over his few years there. Sitting and learning.

A rookie can sit and learn behind Tom Brady for 3 years but I'm not ready to call them an experienced player once they step in for Tom. Learned, well-tutored, smart, etc. are all applicable. Not experienced. My context is obviously totally different than yours.

Lol I just edited in your edit. it's fine.

anyways, yeah, you're referring to in-game, performance experience based off catches, etc.

I'm referring 100% to the mental aspect. because that's what that adjustment was he made; an adjustment where he had to use his knowledge of route combinations to make it work alongside Deebo's route. that's the kind of experience you get from studying in the film room, sitting, learning, etc. white board stuff.

it was an x's and o's heads up play through and through. pretty sure we can agree on that

sky don't fall for the digression of the subject/original Statement

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
sky don't fall for the digression of the subject/original Statement

The original statement sky read and chose to ignore. He chose to comment on a minor detail of a point I made within it, and that's just fine. It's a discussion board.