Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Crazy that JImmy's worth a second now after months of saying he's terrible.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Crazy that JImmy's worth a second now after months of saying he's terrible.

1. Shanny said it wasn't true
2. That was during the draft, before this garbage season was added to his resume
3. After months of saying he's terrible, how exactly has he looked to you?
4. Nobody knows if he is/was worth a second

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I realize. Once a teammate always a teammate. You don't share a locker room with a guy for years and call him an MFer publicly. Tom Brady has a little more class than that. They'll see each other again every handful of years for the SB reunion. Think about it.

Uhhh...it was directed @ the organization,...not the player. He meant no harm towards the MFer in question (i.e., Jimmy). He was simply expressing his thoughts at the time.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I realize. Once a teammate always a teammate. You don't share a locker room with a guy for years and call him an MFer publicly. Tom Brady has a little more class than that. They'll see each other again every handful of years for the SB reunion. Think about it.

Uhhh...it was directed @ the organization,...not the player. He meant no harm towards the MFer in question (i.e., Jimmy). He was simply expressing his thoughts at the time.

The entire quote said he didn't want to go there anyway i think takes Jimmy out of the equation as we all know for certain now that he really wanted to end him career with his childhood team. I still believe it was regarding D.Carr and the Faiders.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Crazy that JImmy's worth a second now after months of saying he's terrible.

Yeah but only to Bill Belichick. What the hell would he know about football? The coach is a bust

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
I've never been a Jimmy G. hater, but I really think he just isn't the QB for this team anymore. If Lance is healthy he needs to be the starter from here on out. We're 2 -4, in the toughest division no less, and 12 games left with an injury-prone QB. I've totally resigned myself to the fact that we're NOT making the playoffs. We traded away 3 1st's for Lance. I understand this whole "not ready" mindset regarding Lance. But when you mortgage significant future to draft a QB #3 overall (behind said injury prone QB) he can't be THAT "not ready" to take over a 2 - 4 team with hollow playoff chances. If he's THAT "not ready" then the future should have never been mortgaged to draft him in the first place, and shame on Shanny for doing so.

Nothing personal to Jimmy G. but we've realized is ceiling. The regression before our eyes is just blinding. It was a mistake to not take that 2nd round offer for him. Now, as the trade deadline looms, his trade value will drastically reduce if he starts against the Bears and looks like he's looked.

So, the sooner we go with Lance the better. Let's just get him in there, live with the inevitable rookie mistakes, let him learn on the job (as they say he has a very high IQ), and move on.

IMHO

Why do people keep saying that they are out of the playoffs? They are only one game back for the wildcard spot. Granted they are not playing up to expectations but they are not out of playoffs contention yet.

Ok. Fare enough. Here's the last 11 games.

@ Bears
Cardinals
Rams
@Jaguars
Vikings
@Seahawks
@Bengals
Falcons
@Titans
Texans
@Rams

What's your path to the PO? I don't see us getting more than 5 wins - Bears (we better, or imma have a hard week here in Chicago), Seaducks (maybe), Texans, Jaguars, Rams (only because by that time they're likely starting a bunch of 2nd and 3rd stringers).

Before the season started I had this team in the SB. Now, I cannot see us winning more than 7 games. So walk me through how this team get's to the PO.

Sure. Maybe Bill was so busy coaching he didn't notice Jimmy missed near half his time here. Or maybe he was too busy to notice how terrible he is.

Yeah, 2 sounds realistic to me.

"You wish you'd see the whole field."
"You've just got to see everything."

I don't care even if the progression started with Deebo. As Jimmy himself said, YOU'VE GOT TO SEE THE WHOLE FIELD. YOU'VE GOT JUST TO SEE EVERYTHING. And I'm not talking post-snap, in that 1.5 seconds that he's setting up to throw. I'm talking about seeing the FS drift four yards left of the left hash before the snap. You've got to just see everything. 15 or so NFL QBs would have seen that an adjusted. Would have "overcame coaching." You can give him a pass for it if you want, and that just means you're satisfied with bottom 15 or so QB play. I won't. Because I want an ELITE QB.

the safety can drift pre-snap to try and confuse the QB out of taking what he sees as a 1v1 w his best WR - only to then sprint back into coverage post-snap
and with the defense showing a 6-man pressure, why would the QB want to get away from a matchup? Also if you see the safety cheating, why in the hell would you assume it's STILL cover 3 and now one player is blowing the entire coverage?

For a QB to get off the 1v1 w Deebo you need to assume they are cover-3 and that the safety has decided to bust his coverage pre-snap, makes no sense at all. If safety is cheating, it's either bait, or they're switching to some kind of man coverage on the other side. even IF that is the case and deebo is covered deep, you still have the 1v1 on the route that he's running.

Originally posted by mtl_49er:
the safety can drift pre-snap to try and confuse the QB out of taking what he sees as a 1v1 w his best WR - only to then sprint back into coverage post-snap

Yeah, it's possible the safety could go back. But he wasn't going to go back in time to stop that route.

and with the defense showing a 6-man pressure, why would the QB want to get away from a matchup?

Two reasons: (1) Because the better matchup is Sanu on a linebacker or strong safety. That FS was not going to get over fast enough to stop that little skinny post, which was on its break 1.25 seconds after the snap, indicating it's Sanu vs a LB or SS. (2) Because immediately after the snap, the linebacker on the left edge drifted into the flat.

Also if you see the safety cheating, why in the hell would you assume it's STILL cover 3 and now one player is blowing the entire coverage?

You would still assume it was cover 1 or cover 3. It's still a single high look. The person who blew the coverage, by the way, WAS the safety who was cheating over. That was a ZONE coverage, not cover 1, as evidenced by the linebacker on the left side who showed blitz and then immediately bailed into the flat post-snap — which is one more reason Jimmy should have thrown it to Sanu — and the middle linebacker who also bailed into zone coverage.

For a QB to get off the 1v1 w Deebo you need to assume they are cover-3 and that the safety has decided to bust his coverage pre-snap, makes no sense at all. If safety is cheating, it's either bait, or they're switching to some kind of man coverage on the other side. even IF that is the case and deebo is covered deep, you still have the 1v1 on the route that he's running.

If they are "switching to man coverage on the other side," whatever you mean by that, it's Sanu vs a linebacker or strong safety (and either way this is the case). That's a win 10 out of 10 times.

And it wasn't man, and Jimmy would have known IMMEDIATELY after the snap, because the linebacker on the left edge AND the middle linebacker on the line immediately bailed after the snap, the former drifting to the flat and the latter playing the middle. Given what he already knew about the single high look, this would have confirmed cover 3 AND that the middle was wide open (because the free safety had already moved four or five yards left of the left hash).

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You can deny it all you want here. But deep down inside you know that Tom Brady throws that to Sanu for 6.

Jimmy made the decision to throw to Deebo in the huddle. He didn't scan the field or look to had the best matchup.

Originally posted by northoakland510:
Jimmy made the decision to throw to Deebo in the huddle. He didn't scan the field or look to had the best matchup.

We're on to Chicago.

Fans can point to a play here and another one there that was missed or screwed up but this is more than just a few plays. I get it.We could have had 3 ,ore wins if a couple plays go differently. That's the problem They didn't.

I am so tired of hearing coaches and players after games saying that it's JUST a matter of us going out and making plays. They way they say it it sounds like it's no big deal and an easy fix. If it was really JUST a matter of making plays, then go out and make them. Apparently it's more than that.

Just a matter of making plays. That's the whole essence of the game. So go make the plays instead of excuses.

Originally posted by northoakland510:
Jimmy made the decision to throw to Deebo in the huddle. He didn't scan the field or look to had the best matchup.

And you know this how exactly? Were you in the huddle? Did you call him after the game and say, hey, Jimmy, what was the deal on that play to Deebo? I really don't understand how it is that people keep coming in here and offering up "opinions" on what someone they don't know may or may not have been thinking about this that or the other thing without having any actual knowledge of the facts..It's a puzzling phenomenon that is probably somewhat particular to the world of sports and politics.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
"You wish you'd see the whole field."
"You've just got to see everything."

I don't care even if the progression started with Deebo. As Jimmy himself said, YOU'VE GOT TO SEE THE WHOLE FIELD. YOU'VE GOT JUST TO SEE EVERYTHING. And I'm not talking post-snap, in that 1.5 seconds that he's setting up to throw. I'm talking about seeing the FS drift four yards left of the left hash before the snap. You've got to just see everything. 15 or so NFL QBs would have seen that an adjusted. Would have "overcame coaching." You can give him a pass for it if you want, and that just means you're satisfied with bottom 15 or so QB play. I won't. Because I want an ELITE QB.

Cossell said Sanu wasn't anywhere near open until a year after Jimmy threw it to Deebo. He also said considering the coverage, it's not a bad bet to throw that route to your best WR.