Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Jimmy is on pace to have a worse statistical season than Mullens did last year.

Nick Mullens through 4 1/2 games in 2020:

5 TDs, 4 Ints, 2 FL, 1143 Yards, 8.59 YPA, 68.9% CP, 94.9 QB Rating

Jimmy Garoppolo through 4 1/2 games in 2021:

6 TDs, 4 Ints, 3 FL, 1106 Yards, 7.63 YPA, 64.83% CP, 90.2 QB Rating

Bunch of armchair QBs in here. Look fellas we're on to Chicago.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Or here's the entire play that shows how amazing obvious it is that Jimmy's one read is Deebo. If he does not get this off when he does Deebo is not hit directly in the hands.

Sanu open on the probable game winning TD. Jimmy is so ass! pic.twitter.com/7bH8uD8syS

— Jessie Naylor (@JNay_LSS) October 25, 2021

That is not a one read concept. If it was a one read concept, Jimmy wouldn't have indicated he went there because he thought the free safety would have taken Sanu out. That's the first read, and again, if he chose to throw that presnap, there is no reason not to immediately after the snap.

The problem is that by not skipping the first read, he left a touchdown on the field. And why should he have skipped the first read? Because as Jimmy said when describing the play, "Mohamed should have been taken away by the free safety, he was just making a... doing whatever he wants type of play."

.
.

Let me translate this for you:

Robot QB: Throw towards Deebo, making the decision presnap, because it's single high and that essentially makes it a one on one.

Elite QB: See the safety cheating 4-5 yards to the left, leaving a linebacker or SS on Sanu, choose to SKIP the first read, throw a touchdown.

Jimmy QB: Robot QB except regretting throwing the ball so far inside. "I wish I threw it a little further on his back shoulder. Just hung inside a little bit."

Aaaand if Sanu is covered where should he go? He threw a perfect pass to an open spot that hit the receiver right in the hands.

(1) Jimmy said himself he regrets not throwing the pass more to the outside, so yeah no, not a perfect pass. But that's okay, that's not my problem here.

(2) Play the odds. There aren't many LBs or SSs in the NFL that can cover Sanu one on one. But if he's actually covered, what should Jimmy do? Continue the progression to the 3, which would the in-breaking route (assuming that's the progression, and I can't imagine why it wouldn't be if he chose to start on the right). But in this case, the pocket would be collapsing then, so he would either take the sack or scramble to try to make something happen. If he were an ELITE QB, which is what this hypothetical I am suggestion is resting upon, he'd be able to move around a bit.

Nevertheless, the question would be moot if he had thrown that ball more to the outside. Yeah, he might get ripped on for not choosing to punish the FS for having ZERO respect for Jimmy, which is why he vacated the middle presnap, but there would not be this kind of a controversy because had that ball been thrown more outside, it's a first down.

Disagree. He vacated the play because Jimmy was throwing to the out from the get go. Like literally the second he got the snap he was in throwing motion.

Disagree? The safety was literally moving to the left three or four seconds before the ball was snapped, and was at least four yards to the left of the left hash at the snap.

I disagree that the world is an oblate spheroid.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Yeah, it's possible the safety could go back. But he wasn't going to go back in time to stop that route.

Two reasons: (1) Because the better matchup is Sanu on a linebacker or strong safety. That FS was not going to get over fast enough to stop that little skinny post, which was on its break 1.25 seconds after the snap, indicating it's Sanu vs a LB or SS. (2) Because immediately after the snap, the linebacker on the left edge drifted into the flat.

You would still assume it was cover 1 or cover 3. It's still a single high look. The person who blew the coverage, by the way, WAS the safety who was cheating over. That was a ZONE coverage, not cover 1, as evidenced by the linebacker on the left side who showed blitz and then immediately bailed into the flat post-snap — which is one more reason Jimmy should have thrown it to Sanu — and the middle linebacker who also bailed into zone coverage.

If they are "switching to man coverage on the other side," whatever you mean by that, it's Sanu vs a linebacker or strong safety (and either way this is the case). That's a win 10 out of 10 times.

And it wasn't man, and Jimmy would have known IMMEDIATELY after the snap, because the linebacker on the left edge AND the middle linebacker on the line immediately bailed after the snap, the former drifting to the flat and the latter playing the middle. Given what he already knew about the single high look, this would have confirmed cover 3 AND that the middle was wide open (because the free safety had already moved four or five yards left of the left hash).

.
.

You can deny it all you want here. But deep down inside you know that Tom Brady throws that to Sanu for 6.

Not sure if you saw my conversation with Jonny about this play a few pages back, but according to him it was a Cover 1 man. He said that play design was a one read only to Deebo.

(1) Just because he's Jonny doesn't mean he's right. Who do you trust more about the play? Jonny, or Jimmy Freaking Garoppolo? Even Jimmy indicated there was a progression, and that he didn't look towards Sanu because it was single high and that "Muhammed should've been taken away by the free safety." That's Jimmy saying that. How is it one read if Jimmy here is indicating that based on the coverage he thought Sanu would have been "taken away?" It's NOT a one read pass. Additionally, if it was a one read pass, Sanu wouldn't be holding up his hand. Moreover, if Jonny actually has the playbook as he claims, well Shanahan passing plays have a progression written on them. Ask him to post it, so we can see that there's a progression, indicating that is NOT a one read play. This is nothing but a Jimmy-excuse. EVEN JIMMY GAROPPOLO indicated it was a PROGRESSION, and said that Deebo was the first in the progression due to the single high look.

(2) Is it cover 1 man? Why are the linebackers in zone? Immediately after the snap, the outside linebacker on the left (from the offensive view) drifts into the flat, the middle linebacker drops straight back. There are three WRs on the right side and only two defenders pre-snap. If this were cover one man in a blitz disguise, why did this happen: on the right side, you have two defenders inside the corner, and there are two WRs there (with the CB and WR on the outside locked up). Instead of each following a man, the guy in the middle of those three defenders follows a man, but the inside guy who lined up over Sanu drifts towards the middle of the field after trailing the WR who lines up on the inside of the bunch.

It looks more to me like a cover 3 with two disguises: first a pressure look and then a man look, followed immediately by what obviously appears to be zone (the right side linebacker and middle linebacker clearly dropping into zones). Other coverages it could be: busted cover six; it COULD be cover 1, but then you'd need several players clearly missing their assignments.

So yeah, you could argue it's cover 1. But then you have two odd things going on. First of all, why is the outside linebacker drifting into a flat zone? Maybe you could say the middle linebacker was matching up against the running back (he certainly runs that way when the running back leaves the pocket). But then you have to explain the lbs/ss on the other side. Why did no one follow Sanu?

If this was some form of cover one, there were blown asignments.

But that is irrelevant. Why?

Because even if it's cover 1, the FS is too far to the right to stop the play by Sanu, and Sanu would have been matched up with a LB or SS. That's a win for Sanu, and easily.

Lol okay you obviously didn't, to answer my own question. If you followed my conversation/posts regarding this, you would see that I disagreed with him and even stated that I'm not one of those who takes everything he says as gospel, even though he does know what he's talking about. I've played/been around/watched enough football in my lifetime to trust myself enough to have my own opinions on things and believe whatever the hell I want, not what someone tells me too.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
I've never been a Jimmy G. hater, but I really think he just isn't the QB for this team anymore. If Lance is healthy he needs to be the starter from here on out. We're 2 -4, in the toughest division no less, and 12 games left with an injury-prone QB. I've totally resigned myself to the fact that we're NOT making the playoffs. We traded away 3 1st's for Lance. I understand this whole "not ready" mindset regarding Lance. But when you mortgage significant future to draft a QB #3 overall (behind said injury prone QB) he can't be THAT "not ready" to take over a 2 - 4 team with hollow playoff chances. If he's THAT "not ready" then the future should have never been mortgaged to draft him in the first place, and shame on Shanny for doing so.

Nothing personal to Jimmy G. but we've realized is ceiling. The regression before our eyes is just blinding. It was a mistake to not take that 2nd round offer for him. Now, as the trade deadline looms, his trade value will drastically reduce if he starts against the Bears and looks like he's looked.

So, the sooner we go with Lance the better. Let's just get him in there, live with the inevitable rookie mistakes, let him learn on the job (as they say he has a very high IQ), and move on.

IMHO

Why do people keep saying that they are out of the playoffs? They are only one game back for the wildcard spot. Granted they are not playing up to expectations but they are not out of playoffs contention yet.

Ok. Fare enough. Here's the last 11 games.

@ Bears
Cardinals
Rams
@Jaguars
Vikings
@Seahawks
@Bengals
Falcons
@Titans
Texans
@Rams

What's your path to the PO? I don't see us getting more than 5 wins - Bears (we better, or imma have a hard week here in Chicago), Seaducks (maybe), Texans, Jaguars, Rams (only because by that time they're likely starting a bunch of 2nd and 3rd stringers).

Before the season started I had this team in the SB. Now, I cannot see us winning more than 7 games. So walk me through how this team get's to the PO.

I get it this team is under performing but to get to the playoffs they have to be one game better than at this time New Orleans and Minnesota. The rams and cards are going to control the first wildcard and there will be two other spots available. The rest of the nfc is flailing around just like the Niners. What ever team can win 7-8 games from here on out is probably going to earn the third spot.

It will probably take 9 wins to make the playoffs. I see six very winnable games from the list above. Now if we can steal a win from the rest of that list, we should make the wild card. At that point, the number one factor is the overall health of key players. That means guys like Trent and Kittle have to be rolling. Wild card teams can still do some damage in the playoffs if they stay healthy.

I see the Bears, Jags, Falcons and Texans as very winnable. After that it's going to take a couple of upsets. The Seahawks aren't playing well defensively so that could be one. Problem is Wilson will likely be back and he always gives us problems. Even when he has a bad game he pulls a couple of plays out of a hat. Bengals are playing well and Burrow will probably torch our secondary. Cards always play theNiners tough even when they aren't good. That leaves the Rams and the Vikings. Beating the Vikings (not easy) and upsetting the Rams once wold leave them at 9-8 assuming they can beat the Seahawks in Seattle. Not saying it's impossible but not very likely considering the way tis team is playing. This isn't the 2019 team. They're playing bad with a lame duck QB who's having his worst season.

Jimmy and Shanahan will both have to be better than they were against Indy.

As thl said, if this team misses the playoffs this season, it will make it very hard to attract any FAs during the off-season. The 49ers will no longer be relevant in the conversation for 2022. In effect, it will put us back into something of a reload/rebuild mode.

Yes, we all saw with our own eyes Jimmy had one of his worst games with this team last Sunday. The tough conditions didn't help but Wentz had to play through them, too (though Wentz didn't look that great to me...Moseley should have caught the pass where he was alone and it hit him squarely between the shoulders...Wentz also got a lot of help from the Niners' DBs in chucking the ball up and getting the crucial PIs to set up scores).

But I'm moving on to this Sunday vs. the Bears. Here's where I'm at: I want to see Jimmy come back strong and do his part in providing very good QB play from start to finish like we've seen from him many times in the past when he plays the entire game (doesn't come out due to injury). The motivation should be there to come back from that performance vs. the Colts...also, in coming back to his home state in front of family and friends...coming back to the place he had his first Niners' start and played very well all things considered/being so new to the scheme & playbook. And beyond all that, motivation for himself to start playing better this game & moving forward if he really wants to be looked at by coaches around the league (let alone the Niners this season re: QB1) as a good-to-very good QB again that could be considered a fit for their teams down the road. Potential future starting QB motivation & maximizing future earnings motivation for Jimmy.

I want to see this on Sunday: Jimmy plays well throughout, the offense executes like they can, the defense plays stout vs. the run/pressures & gets to Fields/the DBs play better and definitely avoid game-changing penalties/PIs...and ST, just be solid.

All of this can happen with this team, and it needs to start happening vs. the Bears where it results in getting the W. I want to see them beat the Bears this Sunday and then they keep building off of that.

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Yes, we all saw with our own eyes Jimmy had one of his worst games with this team last Sunday. The tough conditions didn't help but Wentz had to play through them, too (though Wentz didn't look that great to me...Moseley should have caught the pass where he was alone and it hit him squarely between the shoulders...Wentz also got a lot of help from the Niners' DBs in chucking the ball up and getting the crucial PIs to set up scores).

But I'm moving on to this Sunday vs. the Bears. Here's where I'm at: I want to see Jimmy come back strong and do his part in providing very good QB play from start to finish like we've seen from him many times in the past when he plays the entire game (doesn't come out due to injury). The motivation should be there to come back from that performance vs. the Colts...also, in coming back to his home state in front of family and friends...coming back to the place he had his first Niners' start and played very well all things considered/being so new to the scheme & playbook. And beyond all that, motivation for himself to start playing better this game & moving forward if he really wants to be looked at by coaches around the league (let alone the Niners this season re: QB1) as a good-to-very good QB again that could be considered a fit for their teams down the road. Potential future starting QB motivation & maximizing future earnings motivation for Jimmy.

I want to see this on Sunday: Jimmy plays well throughout, the offense executes like they can, the defense plays stout vs. the run/pressures & gets to Fields/the DBs play better and definitely avoid game-changing penalties/PIs...and ST, just be solid.

All of this can happen with this team, and it needs to start happening vs. the Bears where it results in getting the W. I want to see them beat the Bears this Sunday and then they keep building off of that.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
"You wish you'd see the whole field."
"You've just got to see everything."

I don't care even if the progression started with Deebo. As Jimmy himself said, YOU'VE GOT TO SEE THE WHOLE FIELD. YOU'VE GOT JUST TO SEE EVERYTHING. And I'm not talking post-snap, in that 1.5 seconds that he's setting up to throw. I'm talking about seeing the FS drift four yards left of the left hash before the snap. You've got to just see everything. 15 or so NFL QBs would have seen that an adjusted. Would have "overcame coaching." You can give him a pass for it if you want, and that just means you're satisfied with bottom 15 or so QB play. I won't. Because I want an ELITE QB.

Cossell said Sanu wasn't anywhere near open until a year after Jimmy threw it to Deebo. He also said considering the coverage, it's not a bad bet to throw that route to your best WR.

This is 100% the truth. Jimmy was already well into commitment before Sanu was open. That still frame shows 100% that Jimmy was already committed and II initial throwing stage so I'm confused what dudes trying to prove. Extremely disingenuous imo. Let's see the video at :12 and :13 because at :11 in that photo he's already on his back foot starting the throw

(1) Sanu was NOT open "a year after Jimmy threw it." That is a FALSE statement, and I proved it without a shadow of a doubt. You have now MOVED THE GOALPOST to "Jimmy was already committed." That, however, is not something I dispute. Which brings me to this:

(2) The error was in the pre-snap read in recognizing that the free safety cheated over and was never going to get to Sanu in time, and given based on the front that Sanu was going to be matched up against a linebacker or SS at best.

Is this an error in executing the play? No. Single high, the first read is the hitch. So what is the error? Not recognizing the mistake the free safety made presnap and punishing him for it. "Overcoming coaching." You can dream all you want, but Kyler Murray, Matthew Stafford, and Russell Wilson are throwing a touchdown to Sanu on that pass.

Ya that's one thing you see with Jimmy a lot, is how locked in he gets on his WR. He overcommits too much and doesn't even try to sell it. If he knew that he was gonna go to Deebo there no matter what (which he did) at least try to sell it a little bit.

But for some reason there's a narrative here on this forum and Kyle forces Jimmy to throw to the first read every time or there aren't multiple reads, which is absolute bs. Most of the time Kyle calls a passing play where it's one read only, is gonna be a screen pass. Majority of the time, all his passing plays has multiple progressions. Jimmy just isn't that good at reading a defense or quickly scanning the field.

Context of the play is important.
This was the 4th Q and it was 3rd and 3. We were behind 23-18 at this point and only on our 38 yard line.

I personally feel this play design was to get the 1st down not to take a shot. The presnap shows 6 colts on the LOS. Single high and the numbers are on the right so he knows he had deebo 1v1 on his left running a short rout to pick up the first. He trusted his best reciever to not only get open but win any contested fight with the DB. Pass should have been more to the outside shoulder yet it still hit him in the chest for a pass deebo should have caught it away from his body.

I still don't think Kyle is going to knock Jimmy or Deebo over this play in the film room it was the right read at that moment and Rhodes made an amazing play.

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

But I'm moving on to this Sunday vs. the Bears. Here's where I'm at: I want to see Jimmy come back strong and do his part in providing very good QB play from start to finish like we've seen from him many times in the past when he plays the entire game (doesn't come out due to injury). The motivation should be there to come back from that performance vs. the Colts...also, in coming back to his home state in front of family and friends...coming back to the place he had his first Niners' start and played very well all things considered/being so new to the scheme & playbook. And beyond all that, motivation for himself to start playing better this game & moving forward if he really wants to be looked at by coaches around the league (let alone the Niners this season re: QB1) as a good-to-very good QB again that could be considered a fit for their teams down the road. Potential future starting QB motivation & maximizing future earnings motivation for Jimmy.

I like the optimism but it doesn't hold much water. The truth is that Jimmy isn't the ONLY problem, so even if he tried to play his best it won't matter because the entire offense sucks, and we're going to keep losing games until Kyle fixes it. The only way Jimmy could maximize his future contract is if somehow he miraculously turns into Tom Brady 2.0 and takes us to at least the playoffs this year, which let's just be honest, is a pipe dream.

That said I actually think it's in Jimmy's best interest to NOT start anymore games for the 49ers. This team is currently a mess and needs fixing way beyond the QB position.
I wouldn't be surprised if Jimmy pulls another calf muscle on Sunday.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
"You wish you'd see the whole field."
"You've just got to see everything."

I don't care even if the progression started with Deebo. As Jimmy himself said, YOU'VE GOT TO SEE THE WHOLE FIELD. YOU'VE GOT JUST TO SEE EVERYTHING. And I'm not talking post-snap, in that 1.5 seconds that he's setting up to throw. I'm talking about seeing the FS drift four yards left of the left hash before the snap. You've got to just see everything. 15 or so NFL QBs would have seen that an adjusted. Would have "overcame coaching." You can give him a pass for it if you want, and that just means you're satisfied with bottom 15 or so QB play. I won't. Because I want an ELITE QB.

Cossell said Sanu wasn't anywhere near open until a year after Jimmy threw it to Deebo. He also said considering the coverage, it's not a bad bet to throw that route to your best WR.

This is 100% the truth. Jimmy was already well into commitment before Sanu was open. That still frame shows 100% that Jimmy was already committed and II initial throwing stage so I'm confused what dudes trying to prove. Extremely disingenuous imo. Let's see the video at :12 and :13 because at :11 in that photo he's already on his back foot starting the throw

(1) Sanu was NOT open "a year after Jimmy threw it." That is a FALSE statement, and I proved it without a shadow of a doubt. You have now MOVED THE GOALPOST to "Jimmy was already committed." That, however, is not something I dispute. Which brings me to this:

(2) The error was in the pre-snap read in recognizing that the free safety cheated over and was never going to get to Sanu in time, and given based on the front that Sanu was going to be matched up against a linebacker or SS at best.

Is this an error in executing the play? No. Single high, the first read is the hitch. So what is the error? Not recognizing the mistake the free safety made presnap and punishing him for it. "Overcoming coaching." You can dream all you want, but Kyler Murray, Matthew Stafford, and Russell Wilson are throwing a touchdown to Sanu on that pass.

Ya that's one thing you see with Jimmy a lot, is how locked in he gets on his WR. He overcommits too much and doesn't even try to sell it. If he knew that he was gonna go to Deebo there no matter what (which he did) at least try to sell it a little bit.

But for some reason there's a narrative here on this forum and Kyle forces Jimmy to throw to the first read every time or there aren't multiple reads, which is absolute bs. Most of the time Kyle calls a passing play where it's one read only, is gonna be a screen pass. Majority of the time, all his passing plays has multiple progressions. Jimmy just isn't that good at reading a defense or quickly scanning the field.

Context of the play is important.
This was the 4th Q and it was 3rd and 3. We were behind 23-18 at this point and only on our 38 yard line.

I personally feel this play design was to get the 1st down not to take a shot. The presnap shows 6 colts on the LOS. Single high and the numbers are on the right so he knows he had deebo 1v1 on his left running a short rout to pick up the first. He trusted his best reciever to not only get open but win any contested fight with the DB. Pass should have been more to the outside shoulder yet it still hit him in the chest for a pass deebo should have caught it away from his body.

I still don't think Kyle is going to knock Jimmy or Deebo over this play in the film room it was the right read at that moment and Rhodes made an amazing play.

This is fair. I'm not saying it wasn't a reasonable choice, or that Deebo isn't the default first read in that progression if he starts on the left side (he indicated he could have chosen either to begin the progression, or at least it can be interpreted that way; he indicated because it was a single high look that his read began on the left side).

What I'm saying is I think an elite QB would have chosen pre-snap to throw to Sanu based on how far the safety moved towards the left (which means the FS would likely not be able to get to Sanu's route), and how the linebacker who was threatening the A gap moved to the outside after the motion before the snap (indicating most likely man or cover 3 pattern match, which means Sanu vs a LB or SS).

As Jimmy said in reference to the play, "You wish you'd see the whole field."

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

But I'm moving on to this Sunday vs. the Bears. Here's where I'm at: I want to see Jimmy come back strong and do his part in providing very good QB play from start to finish like we've seen from him many times in the past when he plays the entire game (doesn't come out due to injury). The motivation should be there to come back from that performance vs. the Colts...also, in coming back to his home state in front of family and friends...coming back to the place he had his first Niners' start and played very well all things considered/being so new to the scheme & playbook. And beyond all that, motivation for himself to start playing better this game & moving forward if he really wants to be looked at by coaches around the league (let alone the Niners this season re: QB1) as a good-to-very good QB again that could be considered a fit for their teams down the road. Potential future starting QB motivation & maximizing future earnings motivation for Jimmy.

I like the optimism but it doesn't hold much water. The truth is that Jimmy isn't the ONLY problem, so even if he tried to play his best it won't matter because the entire offense sucks, and we're going to keep losing games until Kyle fixes it. The only way Jimmy could maximize his future contract is if somehow he miraculously turns into Tom Brady 2.0 and takes us to at least the playoffs this year, which let's just be honest, is a pipe dream.

That said I actually think it's in Jimmy's best interest to NOT start anymore games for the 49ers. This team is currently a mess and needs fixing way beyond the QB position.
I wouldn't be surprised if Jimmy pulls another calf muscle on Sunday.

100% true. Our best WRs keep dropping passes. Our interior linemen and Glinch routinely get their asses handed to them in pass protection,

However there is no fixing this by Kyle. Kyle (and Lynch) are the ones who chose these players. The mistakes were made in the team building.

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

But I'm moving on to this Sunday vs. the Bears. Here's where I'm at: I want to see Jimmy come back strong and do his part in providing very good QB play from start to finish like we've seen from him many times in the past when he plays the entire game (doesn't come out due to injury). The motivation should be there to come back from that performance vs. the Colts...also, in coming back to his home state in front of family and friends...coming back to the place he had his first Niners' start and played very well all things considered/being so new to the scheme & playbook. And beyond all that, motivation for himself to start playing better this game & moving forward if he really wants to be looked at by coaches around the league (let alone the Niners this season re: QB1) as a good-to-very good QB again that could be considered a fit for their teams down the road. Potential future starting QB motivation & maximizing future earnings motivation for Jimmy.

I like the optimism but it doesn't hold much water. The truth is that Jimmy isn't the ONLY problem, so even if he tried to play his best it won't matter because the entire offense sucks, and we're going to keep losing games until Kyle fixes it. The only way Jimmy could maximize his future contract is if somehow he miraculously turns into Tom Brady 2.0 and takes us to at least the playoffs this year, which let's just be honest, is a pipe dream.

That said I actually think it's in Jimmy's best interest to NOT start anymore games for the 49ers. This team is currently a mess and needs fixing way beyond the QB position.
I wouldn't be surprised if Jimmy pulls another calf muscle on Sunday.

He isn't the only problem, but better QB play could absolutely overcome failures at other positions. The problem is that we have failures at the other positions and then at QB when those positions actually do their part.

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

But I'm moving on to this Sunday vs. the Bears. Here's where I'm at: I want to see Jimmy come back strong and do his part in providing very good QB play from start to finish like we've seen from him many times in the past when he plays the entire game (doesn't come out due to injury). The motivation should be there to come back from that performance vs. the Colts...also, in coming back to his home state in front of family and friends...coming back to the place he had his first Niners' start and played very well all things considered/being so new to the scheme & playbook. And beyond all that, motivation for himself to start playing better this game & moving forward if he really wants to be looked at by coaches around the league (let alone the Niners this season re: QB1) as a good-to-very good QB again that could be considered a fit for their teams down the road. Potential future starting QB motivation & maximizing future earnings motivation for Jimmy.

I like the optimism but it doesn't hold much water. The truth is that Jimmy isn't the ONLY problem, so even if he tried to play his best it won't matter because the entire offense sucks, and we're going to keep losing games until Kyle fixes it. The only way Jimmy could maximize his future contract is if somehow he miraculously turns into Tom Brady 2.0 and takes us to at least the playoffs this year, which let's just be honest, is a pipe dream.

That said I actually think it's in Jimmy's best interest to NOT start anymore games for the 49ers. This team is currently a mess and needs fixing way beyond the QB position.
I wouldn't be surprised if Jimmy pulls another calf muscle on Sunday.

Appreciate the reply. Of course Jimmy isn't the only problem - I mentioned what I think this team needs to do this Sunday (and hopefully beyond) in my second-to-last paragraph: "Jimmy plays well throughout, the offense executes like they can, the defense plays stout vs. the run/pressures & gets to Fields/the DBs play better and definitely avoid game-changing penalties/PIs...and ST, just be solid."

I believe the team can do that and Jimmy can do that - without being Brady 2.0 as you mention. Do what he's done in his better games in the past...and hopefully improve on some of the weaker areas that we know. Regarding this offense, there's definitely the talent there to realistically get this team back to be in better position to win games. Not going to name all the names - you know who they are - but hoping T. Williams is back this Sun. and then Kittle for the following game vs. the Cards when he's off of IR. The D has to play better, too - especially the DBs.

But enough talk...the guys on both sides of the ball along with Shanahan have to do their jobs better, plain and simple. Add in ST, and it's the full complementary football that's needed. But let's see it starting this Sunday. I'm not ready to count them out at 2-4 with there being three WC spots. And once you're in, anything can happen if you've followed this game long enough (also, this team has plenty of playoff-tested, talented guys still on the roster). We'll see what happens.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
"You wish you'd see the whole field."
"You've just got to see everything."

I don't care even if the progression started with Deebo. As Jimmy himself said, YOU'VE GOT TO SEE THE WHOLE FIELD. YOU'VE GOT JUST TO SEE EVERYTHING. And I'm not talking post-snap, in that 1.5 seconds that he's setting up to throw. I'm talking about seeing the FS drift four yards left of the left hash before the snap. You've got to just see everything. 15 or so NFL QBs would have seen that an adjusted. Would have "overcame coaching." You can give him a pass for it if you want, and that just means you're satisfied with bottom 15 or so QB play. I won't. Because I want an ELITE QB.

Cossell said Sanu wasn't anywhere near open until a year after Jimmy threw it to Deebo. He also said considering the coverage, it's not a bad bet to throw that route to your best WR.

This is 100% the truth. Jimmy was already well into commitment before Sanu was open. That still frame shows 100% that Jimmy was already committed and II initial throwing stage so I'm confused what dudes trying to prove. Extremely disingenuous imo. Let's see the video at :12 and :13 because at :11 in that photo he's already on his back foot starting the throw

(1) Sanu was NOT open "a year after Jimmy threw it." That is a FALSE statement, and I proved it without a shadow of a doubt. You have now MOVED THE GOALPOST to "Jimmy was already committed." That, however, is not something I dispute. Which brings me to this:

(2) The error was in the pre-snap read in recognizing that the free safety cheated over and was never going to get to Sanu in time, and given based on the front that Sanu was going to be matched up against a linebacker or SS at best.

Is this an error in executing the play? No. Single high, the first read is the hitch. So what is the error? Not recognizing the mistake the free safety made presnap and punishing him for it. "Overcoming coaching." You can dream all you want, but Kyler Murray, Matthew Stafford, and Russell Wilson are throwing a touchdown to Sanu on that pass.

Ya that's one thing you see with Jimmy a lot, is how locked in he gets on his WR. He overcommits too much and doesn't even try to sell it. If he knew that he was gonna go to Deebo there no matter what (which he did) at least try to sell it a little bit.

But for some reason there's a narrative here on this forum and Kyle forces Jimmy to throw to the first read every time or there aren't multiple reads, which is absolute bs. Most of the time Kyle calls a passing play where it's one read only, is gonna be a screen pass. Majority of the time, all his passing plays has multiple progressions. Jimmy just isn't that good at reading a defense or quickly scanning the field.

Context of the play is important.
This was the 4th Q and it was 3rd and 3. We were behind 23-18 at this point and only on our 38 yard line.

I personally feel this play design was to get the 1st down not to take a shot. The presnap shows 6 colts on the LOS. Single high and the numbers are on the right so he knows he had deebo 1v1 on his left running a short rout to pick up the first. He trusted his best reciever to not only get open but win any contested fight with the DB. Pass should have been more to the outside shoulder yet it still hit him in the chest for a pass deebo should have caught it away from his body.

I still don't think Kyle is going to knock Jimmy or Deebo over this play in the film room it was the right read at that moment and Rhodes made an amazing play.

Ya I get that as well. But I think this is where Jimmy's limitations played a big part. He doesn't have the arm strength to be a bit late on his throws. If he could've sold it a bit better, that safety wouldn't have cheated and it would've been an easier completion. And most likely he would've seen Sanu about to get open and thrown it to him. But instead, he knows he won't be able to zip that in there to Deebo if he tries to look elsewhere first, so he has to throw that right away to Deebo.

Also, like I've said before, he doesn't read defenses that well. If he did, he would've probably realized how open Sanu can get based on that safety playing so close to the LOS, and Sanu was gonna get covered by a LB or Safety on that play.