Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by mayo49:
If Jimmy loses this game, it's Trey the rest of the way.

No one can remotely know that with Kyle at this point. Maybe it should be, but heck look at this year's draft.
1. Trey Lance- pretty determined not to make him the starter even though there are no doubt valid reasons for that. I think most here would be reasonably okay with him
starting if we continue to lose.
2. Aaron Banks- inactive every single week until, what, last week? Still didn't play I don't believe.
3. Trey Sermon- essentially doesn't play him even though he's generally been productive enough to at least get some carries. Thought it was funny that someone said
he was about to wash out of the league as a rookie averaging 4.4 ypc. If he was averaging 2.4 ypc I might say he was about to wash out of the league.
4. Ambry Thomas- M.I.A.- not ready at corner at least apparently
5. Jaylon Moore- getting more of an opportunity now due to injury
6. Demmodore Lenoir- got starts/time beginning of the season and now has seen that reduced.
7.Talanoa Hufanga- some time here and there
8. Elijah Mitchell- oddly the most productive, I guess seeing the most reps of all the picks. Haven't checked the numbers on that. Of course, naturally he's been banged
up and if Mostert and Wilson weren't banged up/out he wouldn't be seeing all these reps either.

It really is something when you look at it. Not even draft class/pick contributes heavily right away. And yes, it's too early to evaluate these guys. But so far it's very uninspiring and even odd to see pretty much every single guy, particularly those first four, for the most part sitting on the bench doing next to nothing.

Originally posted by OhioNiner:
No one can remotely know that with Kyle at this point. Maybe it should be, but heck look at this year's draft.
1. Trey Lance- pretty determined not to make him the starter even though there are no doubt valid reasons for that. I think most here would be reasonably okay with him
starting if we continue to lose.
2. Aaron Banks- inactive every single week until, what, last week? Still didn't play I don't believe.
3. Trey Sermon- essentially doesn't play him even though he's generally been productive enough to at least get some carries. Thought it was funny that someone said
he was about to wash out of the league as a rookie averaging 4.4 ypc. If he was averaging 2.4 ypc I might say he was about to wash out of the league.
4. Ambry Thomas- M.I.A.- not ready at corner at least apparently
5. Jaylon Moore- getting more of an opportunity now due to injury
6. Demmodore Lenoir- got starts/time beginning of the season and now has seen that reduced.
7.Talanoa Hufanga- some time here and there
8. Elijah Mitchell- oddly the most productive, I guess seeing the most reps of all the picks. Haven't checked the numbers on that. Of course, naturally he's been banged
up and if Mostert and Wilson weren't banged up/out he wouldn't be seeing all these reps either.

It really is something when you look at it. Not even draft class/pick contributes heavily right away. And yes, it's too early to evaluate these guys. But so far it's very uninspiring and even odd to see pretty much every single guy, particularly those first four, for the most part sitting on the bench doing next to nothing.

Lance - 28% OFF/0% ST
Banks - 0% OFF/0% ST
Sermon - 21% OFF/15% ST
Thomas - 2% DEF/20% ST
Moore - 20% OFF/5% ST
Lenoir - 48% DEF/34% ST
Hufanga - 16% DEF/79% ST
Mitchell - 41% OFF/1% ST

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by OhioNiner:
No one can remotely know that with Kyle at this point. Maybe it should be, but heck look at this year's draft.
1. Trey Lance- pretty determined not to make him the starter even though there are no doubt valid reasons for that. I think most here would be reasonably okay with him
starting if we continue to lose.
2. Aaron Banks- inactive every single week until, what, last week? Still didn't play I don't believe.
3. Trey Sermon- essentially doesn't play him even though he's generally been productive enough to at least get some carries. Thought it was funny that someone said
he was about to wash out of the league as a rookie averaging 4.4 ypc. If he was averaging 2.4 ypc I might say he was about to wash out of the league.
4. Ambry Thomas- M.I.A.- not ready at corner at least apparently
5. Jaylon Moore- getting more of an opportunity now due to injury
6. Demmodore Lenoir- got starts/time beginning of the season and now has seen that reduced.
7.Talanoa Hufanga- some time here and there
8. Elijah Mitchell- oddly the most productive, I guess seeing the most reps of all the picks. Haven't checked the numbers on that. Of course, naturally he's been banged
up and if Mostert and Wilson weren't banged up/out he wouldn't be seeing all these reps either.

It really is something when you look at it. Not even draft class/pick contributes heavily right away. And yes, it's too early to evaluate these guys. But so far it's very uninspiring and even odd to see pretty much every single guy, particularly those first four, for the most part sitting on the bench doing next to nothing.

Lance - 28% OFF/0% ST
Banks - 0% OFF/0% ST
Sermon - 21% OFF/15% ST
Thomas - 2% DEF/20% ST
Moore - 20% OFF/5% ST
Lenoir - 48% DEF/34% ST
Hufanga - 16% DEF/79% ST
Mitchell - 41% OFF/1% ST

Thanks

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Snitch:
LOL at this Brady news. Brady showed his age last year and had no arm strength or accuracy. Guy needs to retire. I'm fine with Jimmy G.

Oof.

Brady sukkedvin the super bowl. Peyton like.

Maybe 2004 regular season Peyton.

But if we want to make the comparison:

Jimmy in the 2019 playoffs: 75.9 QB rating.

Peyton in the 2015 playoffs when he was considered to be completely done and was carried by the defense: 75.4 QB rating.

Tom Brady in the 2020 playoffs: 98.1 QB rating.

Yeach we all watched that saints game.

If one game made a career, Marcus Mariota would be a lock for the Hall of Fame due to his first game, in which he threw four touchdowns, zero interceptions and had a perfect passer rating.

Half the QBs would be in the HOF if it was just based on 1 game lol.

u mean just like you all time fave MULLENS after the Raider game??

So just making s**t up now? I'm sure I rooted for Mullens or CJ when they played bc it's nice to win, but lol at all time favorite. Typical dumb post from 9moon

Originally posted by OhioNiner:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Snitch:
LOL at this Brady news. Brady showed his age last year and had no arm strength or accuracy. Guy needs to retire. I'm fine with Jimmy G.

Oof.

Brady sukkedvin the super bowl. Peyton like.

Maybe 2004 regular season Peyton.

But if we want to make the comparison:

Jimmy in the 2019 playoffs: 75.9 QB rating.

Peyton in the 2015 playoffs when he was considered to be completely done and was carried by the defense: 75.4 QB rating.

Tom Brady in the 2020 playoffs: 98.1 QB rating.

Yeach we all watched that saints game.

If one game made a career, Marcus Mariota would be a lock for the Hall of Fame due to his first game, in which he threw four touchdowns, zero interceptions and had a perfect passer rating.

Half the QBs would be in the HOF if it was just based on 1 game lol.

u mean just like you all time fave MULLENS after the Raider game??

The difference is once Mullens showed what he truly was, people got off the bandwagon. Half the fan base still hasn't for Average Jimmy.

Number one, I don't know if that's true. I especially don't know if that's true after the last game.

Number two, even if it is true, there are reasons for that.

Reason one would be this move/desire to dump him going back to when he was playing pretty well in 2019. Either in the playoffs or after the Super Bowl. Yes, the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl was awful. It also wasn't all on him although perhaps he showed he wasn't going to be couldn't be this superhuman take charge elite QB when things around him went bad.

Reason two would be give us a better option. It's not on the board or the fan base of course to give us a better option, but on the GM and the coach, give us a better option then. Don't talk about, "we want better". Don't talk about, "We can or should try to do better." I saw someone in this thread or one of the threads yesterday say that he wanted an elite QB. Okay, great. Like Baldinger said when he said Jimmy wasn't playing well enough, there are maybe 5 elite QB's in this league. One of those elite QB's is playing like crap right now in Kansas City himself. He won't continue to do so for the remainder of his career or even this year probably. But right now he is. So people might want an elite QB. I might want a billion dollars. Trey Lance has a better/more desirable skillset. We'll find out probably sooner rather than later if he's truly better and after that if he is anywhere close to elite.

Reason three would be one can see first hand with our franchise and other franchises how instability at either the head coach or the quarterback positions, or both, can wreck a team for a period of time. We went through three head coaches in as many years. How many quarterbacks post Young and even post Garcia? Jeff Garcia, maybe Alex Smith, was the last reasonably stable QB we had for some period of time and Alex struggled early in his career with all the different coordinators. If you want to say Kap because he looked great briefly, fine. But he regressed like or worse than Jimmy very quickly and then decided he'd rather be a social justice warrior than a QB.

Here in Ohio the Browns became infamous for having/trying a zillion QB's. The Bengals didn't truly find a reasonable guy at the position poster Esiason until, what, literally Andy Dalton? I take that back I guess Carson Palmer. But it took a while. I think sometimes even though they deny it, fans of this franchise have the attitude of "Oh we had Joe and we had Steve. Go get another guy like that." Guys like that don't come along very often and that's why they're both in the Hall of Fame.

Jimmy and Mullens are of course apples to oranges anyway. People moved quickly off of Mullens because at the end of the day he was an undrafted free agent who was never on an active 53 man roster until injuries happened. Jimmy was one of the highest rated QB's in his draft class, a second round pick, and until he was traded the presumed successor to Brady in New England. The only QB btw that they had brought in that was presumed to be good enough to one day take Brady's spot. So there is always going to be some sense of, "there's something in there with this guy" even if it's unbridled optimism and wishful thinking to a degree at this point.

My issue with those guys is many of them were against, for example, getting a Brady or a Stafford — and some even were against bringing in Aaron Rodgers. Now the last one wasn't possible it turns out, and the Rams sniped Stafford for us. And certainly Watson turned into a disaster. But some of these guys were available, and a large segment of our fan base was insistent on Jimmy being better than these guys. Meanwhile all but Watson are making a case for MVP.

THIS is frustrating, and it's the main reason I make so many posts showing Jimmy is average or mid tier. Because they wanted him over these top 10 guys.

Originally posted by mayo49:
If Jimmy loses this game, it's Trey the rest of the way.

I mean winning is a team stat. He needs to PLAY WELL for me.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by OhioNiner:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Snitch:
LOL at this Brady news. Brady showed his age last year and had no arm strength or accuracy. Guy needs to retire. I'm fine with Jimmy G.

Oof.

Brady sukkedvin the super bowl. Peyton like.

Maybe 2004 regular season Peyton.

But if we want to make the comparison:

Jimmy in the 2019 playoffs: 75.9 QB rating.

Peyton in the 2015 playoffs when he was considered to be completely done and was carried by the defense: 75.4 QB rating.

Tom Brady in the 2020 playoffs: 98.1 QB rating.

Yeach we all watched that saints game.

If one game made a career, Marcus Mariota would be a lock for the Hall of Fame due to his first game, in which he threw four touchdowns, zero interceptions and had a perfect passer rating.

Half the QBs would be in the HOF if it was just based on 1 game lol.

u mean just like you all time fave MULLENS after the Raider game??

The difference is once Mullens showed what he truly was, people got off the bandwagon. Half the fan base still hasn't for Average Jimmy.

Number one, I don't know if that's true. I especially don't know if that's true after the last game.

Number two, even if it is true, there are reasons for that.

Reason one would be this move/desire to dump him going back to when he was playing pretty well in 2019. Either in the playoffs or after the Super Bowl. Yes, the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl was awful. It also wasn't all on him although perhaps he showed he wasn't going to be couldn't be this superhuman take charge elite QB when things around him went bad.

Reason two would be give us a better option. It's not on the board or the fan base of course to give us a better option, but on the GM and the coach, give us a better option then. Don't talk about, "we want better". Don't talk about, "We can or should try to do better." I saw someone in this thread or one of the threads yesterday say that he wanted an elite QB. Okay, great. Like Baldinger said when he said Jimmy wasn't playing well enough, there are maybe 5 elite QB's in this league. One of those elite QB's is playing like crap right now in Kansas City himself. He won't continue to do so for the remainder of his career or even this year probably. But right now he is. So people might want an elite QB. I might want a billion dollars. Trey Lance has a better/more desirable skillset. We'll find out probably sooner rather than later if he's truly better and after that if he is anywhere close to elite.

Reason three would be one can see first hand with our franchise and other franchises how instability at either the head coach or the quarterback positions, or both, can wreck a team for a period of time. We went through three head coaches in as many years. How many quarterbacks post Young and even post Garcia? Jeff Garcia, maybe Alex Smith, was the last reasonably stable QB we had for some period of time and Alex struggled early in his career with all the different coordinators. If you want to say Kap because he looked great briefly, fine. But he regressed like or worse than Jimmy very quickly and then decided he'd rather be a social justice warrior than a QB.

Here in Ohio the Browns became infamous for having/trying a zillion QB's. The Bengals didn't truly find a reasonable guy at the position poster Esiason until, what, literally Andy Dalton? I take that back I guess Carson Palmer. But it took a while. I think sometimes even though they deny it, fans of this franchise have the attitude of "Oh we had Joe and we had Steve. Go get another guy like that." Guys like that don't come along very often and that's why they're both in the Hall of Fame.

Jimmy and Mullens are of course apples to oranges anyway. People moved quickly off of Mullens because at the end of the day he was an undrafted free agent who was never on an active 53 man roster until injuries happened. Jimmy was one of the highest rated QB's in his draft class, a second round pick, and until he was traded the presumed successor to Brady in New England. The only QB btw that they had brought in that was presumed to be good enough to one day take Brady's spot. So there is always going to be some sense of, "there's something in there with this guy" even if it's unbridled optimism and wishful thinking to a degree at this point.

My issue with those guys is many of them were against, for example, getting a Brady or a Stafford — and some even were against bringing in Aaron Rodgers. Now the last one wasn't possible it turns out, and the Rams sniped Stafford for us. And certainly Watson turned into a disaster. But some of these guys were available, and a large segment of our fan base was insistent on Jimmy being better than these guys. Meanwhile all but Watson are making a case for MVP.

THIS is frustrating, and it's the main reason I make so many posts showing Jimmy is average or mid tier. Because they wanted him over these top 10 guys.

Well, as it turns out Lynch and Kyle were against getting Brady, ultimately. People like to go by hindsight and reputation and resume and I get it. But when they said the looked at Brady's 2019 tape and saw a guy only slightly better than Jimmy and passed based on his age, that makes perfect sense actually. Brady wasn't that great in 2019.

Stafford I think they again saw as overrated/older even if better than Jimmy.

I don't know. I've stuck up for Jimmy not so much because I'm a fan but for the reasons I mentioned in response. I would have taken Watson before all of the crap went down with him. I still think that Stafford lacks that certain something to be truly an elite win you a Super Bowl QB. Kind of like Matt Ryan does and kind of like as someone made the comparison Phillip Rivers did. But we will see. He's played very well this year.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
My issue with those guys is many of them were against, for example, getting a Brady or a Stafford — and some even were against bringing in Aaron Rodgers. Now the last one wasn't possible it turns out, and the Rams sniped Stafford for us. And certainly Watson turned into a disaster. But some of these guys were available, and a large segment of our fan base was insistent on Jimmy being better than these guys. Meanwhile all but Watson are making a case for MVP.

THIS is frustrating, and it's the main reason I make so many posts showing Jimmy is average or mid tier. Because they wanted him over these top 10 guys.

Most people thought Brady looked washed up after the 2019 season, so it's fair to not want to replace Jimmy with him. Not many people saw him going on to do what he is doing.

I don't think many people thought Jimmy was better than Watson. Pretty sure the vast majority would have loved to have him over Jimmy before the off the field stuff surfaced.

As far as Stafford, yes, he would have been a definite upgrade over Jimmy. Half the fanbase would not take Jimmy over him.

Originally posted by OhioNiner:
Well, as it turns out Lynch and Kyle were against getting Brady, ultimately. People like to go by hindsight and reputation and resume and I get it. But when they said the looked at Brady's 2019 tape and saw a guy only slightly better than Jimmy and passed based on his age, that makes perfect sense actually. Brady wasn't that great in 2019.

Stafford I think they again saw as overrated/older even if better than Jimmy.

I don't know. I've stuck up for Jimmy not so much because I'm a fan but for the reasons I mentioned in response. I would have taken Watson before all of the crap went down with him. I still think that Stafford lacks that certain something to be truly an elite win you a Super Bowl QB. Kind of like Matt Ryan does and kind of like as someone made the comparison Phillip Rivers did. But we will see. He's played very well this year.

Based on the way the entire team is playing right now, even Stafford probably wouldn't have this team above .500.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Snitch:
LOL at this Brady news. Brady showed his age last year and had no arm strength or accuracy. Guy needs to retire. I'm fine with Jimmy G.

Oof.

Brady sukkedvin the super bowl. Peyton like.

Maybe 2004 regular season Peyton.

But if we want to make the comparison:

Jimmy in the 2019 playoffs: 75.9 QB rating.

Peyton in the 2015 playoffs when he was considered to be completely done and was carried by the defense: 75.4 QB rating.

Tom Brady in the 2020 playoffs: 98.1 QB rating.

Yeach we all watched that saints game.

If one game made a career, Marcus Mariota would be a lock for the Hall of Fame due to his first game, in which he threw four touchdowns, zero interceptions and had a perfect passer rating.

Half the QBs would be in the HOF if it was just based on 1 game lol.

u mean just like you all time fave MULLENS after the Raider game??

The difference is once Mullens showed what he truly was, people got off the bandwagon. Half the fan base still hasn't for Average Jimmy.

ONLY because your HC wont let him go .. he continues to hold him so that he can have a scape goat..

tell me something, why you KS followers stay MUTE when we talk about Hoyer - CJ and Mullens ??

Originally posted by OhioNiner:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by OhioNiner:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Snitch:
LOL at this Brady news. Brady showed his age last year and had no arm strength or accuracy. Guy needs to retire. I'm fine with Jimmy G.

Oof.

Brady sukkedvin the super bowl. Peyton like.

Maybe 2004 regular season Peyton.

But if we want to make the comparison:

Jimmy in the 2019 playoffs: 75.9 QB rating.

Peyton in the 2015 playoffs when he was considered to be completely done and was carried by the defense: 75.4 QB rating.

Tom Brady in the 2020 playoffs: 98.1 QB rating.

Yeach we all watched that saints game.

If one game made a career, Marcus Mariota would be a lock for the Hall of Fame due to his first game, in which he threw four touchdowns, zero interceptions and had a perfect passer rating.

Half the QBs would be in the HOF if it was just based on 1 game lol.

u mean just like you all time fave MULLENS after the Raider game??

The difference is once Mullens showed what he truly was, people got off the bandwagon. Half the fan base still hasn't for Average Jimmy.

Number one, I don't know if that's true. I especially don't know if that's true after the last game.

Number two, even if it is true, there are reasons for that.

Reason one would be this move/desire to dump him going back to when he was playing pretty well in 2019. Either in the playoffs or after the Super Bowl. Yes, the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl was awful. It also wasn't all on him although perhaps he showed he wasn't going to be couldn't be this superhuman take charge elite QB when things around him went bad.

Reason two would be give us a better option. It's not on the board or the fan base of course to give us a better option, but on the GM and the coach, give us a better option then. Don't talk about, "we want better". Don't talk about, "We can or should try to do better." I saw someone in this thread or one of the threads yesterday say that he wanted an elite QB. Okay, great. Like Baldinger said when he said Jimmy wasn't playing well enough, there are maybe 5 elite QB's in this league. One of those elite QB's is playing like crap right now in Kansas City himself. He won't continue to do so for the remainder of his career or even this year probably. But right now he is. So people might want an elite QB. I might want a billion dollars. Trey Lance has a better/more desirable skillset. We'll find out probably sooner rather than later if he's truly better and after that if he is anywhere close to elite.

Reason three would be one can see first hand with our franchise and other franchises how instability at either the head coach or the quarterback positions, or both, can wreck a team for a period of time. We went through three head coaches in as many years. How many quarterbacks post Young and even post Garcia? Jeff Garcia, maybe Alex Smith, was the last reasonably stable QB we had for some period of time and Alex struggled early in his career with all the different coordinators. If you want to say Kap because he looked great briefly, fine. But he regressed like or worse than Jimmy very quickly and then decided he'd rather be a social justice warrior than a QB.

Here in Ohio the Browns became infamous for having/trying a zillion QB's. The Bengals didn't truly find a reasonable guy at the position poster Esiason until, what, literally Andy Dalton? I take that back I guess Carson Palmer. But it took a while. I think sometimes even though they deny it, fans of this franchise have the attitude of "Oh we had Joe and we had Steve. Go get another guy like that." Guys like that don't come along very often and that's why they're both in the Hall of Fame.

Jimmy and Mullens are of course apples to oranges anyway. People moved quickly off of Mullens because at the end of the day he was an undrafted free agent who was never on an active 53 man roster until injuries happened. Jimmy was one of the highest rated QB's in his draft class, a second round pick, and until he was traded the presumed successor to Brady in New England. The only QB btw that they had brought in that was presumed to be good enough to one day take Brady's spot. So there is always going to be some sense of, "there's something in there with this guy" even if it's unbridled optimism and wishful thinking to a degree at this point.

My issue with those guys is many of them were against, for example, getting a Brady or a Stafford — and some even were against bringing in Aaron Rodgers. Now the last one wasn't possible it turns out, and the Rams sniped Stafford for us. And certainly Watson turned into a disaster. But some of these guys were available, and a large segment of our fan base was insistent on Jimmy being better than these guys. Meanwhile all but Watson are making a case for MVP.

THIS is frustrating, and it's the main reason I make so many posts showing Jimmy is average or mid tier. Because they wanted him over these top 10 guys.

Well, as it turns out Lynch and Kyle were against getting Brady, ultimately. People like to go by hindsight and reputation and resume and I get it. But when they said the looked at Brady's 2019 tape and saw a guy only slightly better than Jimmy and passed based on his age, that makes perfect sense actually. Brady wasn't that great in 2019.

Stafford I think they again saw as overrated/older even if better than Jimmy.

I don't know. I've stuck up for Jimmy not so much because I'm a fan but for the reasons I mentioned in response. I would have taken Watson before all of the crap went down with him. I still think that Stafford lacks that certain something to be truly an elite win you a Super Bowl QB. Kind of like Matt Ryan does and kind of like as someone made the comparison Phillip Rivers did. But we will see. He's played very well this year.

They literally attempted to get Stafford and the Rams made a late night trade out from under their noses. This is confirmed by Kyle. Shanahan also confirmed he had previously UNDERrated him before attempting to acquire him (including contacting Stafford's agent).

Regardless how split everyone outside the organization is, Kyle (and possibly Lynch) feels that average Jimmy gives the team a better chance than inexperienced and raw Trey.

And I tend to agree.

As do people like Peter King, Tony Dungy, and Steve Young.

But if they lose at Chicago, 2-5 basically cements that playoffs are gone, then all bets are off and I'd be fine with Trey starting.

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Snitch:
LOL at this Brady news. Brady showed his age last year and had no arm strength or accuracy. Guy needs to retire. I'm fine with Jimmy G.

Oof.

Brady sukkedvin the super bowl. Peyton like.

Maybe 2004 regular season Peyton.

But if we want to make the comparison:

Jimmy in the 2019 playoffs: 75.9 QB rating.

Peyton in the 2015 playoffs when he was considered to be completely done and was carried by the defense: 75.4 QB rating.

Tom Brady in the 2020 playoffs: 98.1 QB rating.

Yeach we all watched that saints game.

If one game made a career, Marcus Mariota would be a lock for the Hall of Fame due to his first game, in which he threw four touchdowns, zero interceptions and had a perfect passer rating.

Half the QBs would be in the HOF if it was just based on 1 game lol.

u mean just like you all time fave MULLENS after the Raider game??

The difference is once Mullens showed what he truly was, people got off the bandwagon. Half the fan base still hasn't for Average Jimmy.

ONLY because your HC wont let him go .. he continues to hold him so that he can have a scape goat..

tell me something, why you KS followers stay MUTE when we talk about Hoyer - CJ and Mullens ??

Shanahan is continuing to hold onto Garoppolo because Shanahan whiffed on the opportunities to improve the QB room, and now is stuck with the best available QB (Jimmy). He did TRY to get Stafford at least (but failed; he was given some reassurances by the people he contacted that he had the night, and IGNORED a warning from someone else that it was now or never). But he definitely whiffed on Brady and Josh Allen (could have easily been gotten with one trade).

Hindsight is 20/20, but they should have franchise tagged Garoppolo at the end of 2017. 5 games isn't enough to know. Most of us got that wrong, myself included. We were biased by the god awful QBing we've had for years and years.

Originally posted by Blake_Fever:
Regardless how split everyone outside the organization is, Kyle (and possibly Lynch) feels that average Jimmy gives the team a better chance than inexperienced and raw Trey.

And I tend to agree.

As do people like Peter King, Tony Dungy, and Steve Young.

But if they lose at Chicago, 2-5 basically cements that playoffs are gone, then all bets are off and I'd be fine with Trey starting.

I'm not so sure Steve agrees there, although he seems to agree that playing Jimmy may be better for the locker room (he's giving some mixed messages; probably because there's no simple answer here, and regardless of which choice you make you're losing on something).

However, the clock is ticking. If Jimmy doesn't turn his play around AND if the team doesn't start winning soon — Sunday, most likely — the "best chance to win" is going to be less important than "the best chance to win in 2022."

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Shanahan is continuing to hold onto Garoppolo because Shanahan whiffed on the opportunities to improve the QB room, and now is stuck with the best available QB (Jimmy). He did TRY to get Stafford at least (but failed; he was given some reassurances by the people he contacted that he had the night, and IGNORED a warning from someone else that it was now or never). But he definitely whiffed on Brady and Josh Allen (could have easily been gotten with one trade).

Hindsight is 20/20, but they should have franchise tagged Garoppolo at the end of 2017. 5 games isn't enough to know. Most of us got that wrong, myself included. We were biased by the god awful QBing we've had for years and years.

I'd argue that we'd be worse off had they done that.
2018 offseason: Franchise Jimmy
2019 offseason: Franchise him again, reasoning, he showed enough to warrant him being the guy and 2019 QB class was bad.
2020 offseason: Jimmy took us to the Super Bowl, gets huge contract compared to his 2018 deal. (Other 2020 QB deals: Mahomes - 10yr/$450mil, Watson - 4 yr, $160mil)

Jimmy would likely be in the 2nd year of a very big contract right now with no outs for the team before 2023.