Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Shanahan is continuing to hold onto Garoppolo because Shanahan whiffed on the opportunities to improve the QB room, and now is stuck with the best available QB (Jimmy). He did TRY to get Stafford at least (but failed; he was given some reassurances by the people he contacted that he had the night, and IGNORED a warning from someone else that it was now or never). But he definitely whiffed on Brady and Josh Allen (could have easily been gotten with one trade).

Hindsight is 20/20, but they should have franchise tagged Garoppolo at the end of 2017. 5 games isn't enough to know. Most of us got that wrong, myself included. We were biased by the god awful QBing we've had for years and years.

I'd argue that we'd be worse off had they done that.
2018 offseason: Franchise Jimmy
2019 offseason: Franchise him again, reasoning, he showed enough to warrant him being the guy and 2019 QB class was bad.
2020 offseason: Jimmy took us to the Super Bowl, gets huge contract compared to his 2018 deal. (Other 2020 QB deals: Mahomes - 10yr/$450mil, Watson - 4 yr, $160mil)

Jimmy would likely be in the 2nd year of a very big contract right now with no outs for the team before 2023.

Maybe. But after 2018 I HIGHLY doubt they'd franchise tag him again. He'd probably be released after that injury. We'd probably would have had Fitzmagic in 2019, and he would have done okay. And in 2020, we might have ended up with Justin Herbert, depending on how much worse Fitzmagic would have been on this 2019 team, and if the 49ers would have made a similar trade that they made in 2021.

Originally posted by Blake_Fever:
Regardless how split everyone outside the organization is, Kyle (and possibly Lynch) feels that average Jimmy gives the team a better chance than inexperienced and raw Trey.

And I tend to agree.

As do people like Peter King, Tony Dungy, and Steve Young.

But if they lose at Chicago, 2-5 basically cements that playoffs are gone, then all bets are off and I'd be fine with Trey starting.

Yea I was all for Jimmy before the season. Even after the GB loss I thought he looked really good. Buuuuut the main problem is Jimmy gives us 1 great drive per half. That's what our O has turned into. I really don't know if it's Kyle or Jimmy not executing anymore. If we continue to start hot, play good D, D breaks because we can't score, then scrape back into the game at the end....we should just start Trey.

I feel like too many people baby Trey. Especially Steve Young. "If he's not ready he shouldn't be rushed!" Well life sometimes isn't perfect and you just gotta step up. You gotta be ready even if you aren't quite ready. I believe in the it factor. Winners are winners and losers are losers. I think it's time to throw Trey in there and see how he responds. No more perfect timing. That's out the window because Jimmy has been sucking (the O as a whole) and we need a spark. The playoffs are still not out of the question.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Shanahan is continuing to hold onto Garoppolo because Shanahan whiffed on the opportunities to improve the QB room, and now is stuck with the best available QB (Jimmy). He did TRY to get Stafford at least (but failed; he was given some reassurances by the people he contacted that he had the night, and IGNORED a warning from someone else that it was now or never). But he definitely whiffed on Brady and Josh Allen (could have easily been gotten with one trade).

Hindsight is 20/20, but they should have franchise tagged Garoppolo at the end of 2017. 5 games isn't enough to know. Most of us got that wrong, myself included. We were biased by the god awful QBing we've had for years and years.

I'd argue that we'd be worse off had they done that.
2018 offseason: Franchise Jimmy
2019 offseason: Franchise him again, reasoning, he showed enough to warrant him being the guy and 2019 QB class was bad.
2020 offseason: Jimmy took us to the Super Bowl, gets huge contract compared to his 2018 deal. (Other 2020 QB deals: Mahomes - 10yr/$450mil, Watson - 4 yr, $160mil)

Jimmy would likely be in the 2nd year of a very big contract right now with no outs for the team before 2023.

Maybe. But after 2018 I HIGHLY doubt they'd franchise tag him again. He'd probably be released after that injury. We'd probably would have had Fitzmagic in 2019, and he would have done okay. And in 2020, we might have ended up with Justin Herbert, depending on how much worse Fitzmagic would have been on this 2019 team, and if the 49ers would have made a similar trade that they made in 2021.

I can't see Kyle wanting anything to do with 36 yr old Fitz. haha

In retrospect, giving Jimmy a new contract instead of signing Cousins for about the same amount of guaranteed money, was the biggest mistake.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
I can't see Kyle wanting anything to do with 36 yr old Fitz. haha

In retrospect, giving Jimmy a new contract instead of signing Cousins for about the same amount of guaranteed money, was the biggest mistake.

Nah. I think cousins struggle here too. Our biggest mistake is not cutting ties with ford after superbowl. Or signing him to a contract where we couldnt.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
I can't see Kyle wanting anything to do with 36 yr old Fitz. haha

In retrospect, giving Jimmy a new contract instead of signing Cousins for about the same amount of guaranteed money, was the biggest mistake.

Nah. I think cousins struggle here too. Our biggest mistake is not cutting ties with ford after superbowl. Or signing him to a contract where we couldnt.

It all started with Buckner. That was the biggest mistake. You don't let your prize homegrown tackle leave. You keep Buckner, Warner, bosa. That was your defensive core. And they completely botched it.

Woke up this morning and it FEELS GREAT BABY

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
I can't see Kyle wanting anything to do with 36 yr old Fitz. haha

In retrospect, giving Jimmy a new contract instead of signing Cousins for about the same amount of guaranteed money, was the biggest mistake.

Nah. I think cousins struggle here too. Our biggest mistake is not cutting ties with ford after superbowl. Or signing him to a contract where we couldnt.

It all started with Buckner. That was the biggest mistake. You don't let your prize homegrown tackle leave. You keep Buckner, Warner, bosa. That was your defensive core. And they completely botched it.

Yeah, that was a killer mistake. But I wouldn't say it's the biggest. We've missed on several better QBs which we could have had, and that's undeniably the most important position.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
It all started with Buckner. That was the biggest mistake. You don't let your prize homegrown tackle leave. You keep Buckner, Warner, bosa. That was your defensive core. And they completely botched it.

Nonsense, it's a quarterback driven league. You are going to struggle no matter how good your defense is if you don't have one.

If it were about defense, Khalil Mack and Aaron Donald would be multiple time champions.

And you guys are acting like Buckner is Bruce Smith, Reggie White, and Deacon Jones rolled into one with the hype he gets here.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Yeah, that was a killer mistake. But I wouldn't say it's the biggest. We've missed on several better QBs which we could have had, and that's undeniably the most important position.

What is you argument here? Keeping Buckner would have boosted morale? Somehow help Jimmy play better? Buckner was silent often, didn't do much against us, and is barely is household name. Seems like you're being critical just to be critical here.

Originally posted by FL9er:
Nonsense, it's a quarterback driven league. You are going to struggle no matter how good your defense is if you don't have one.

If it were about defense, Khalil Mack and Aaron Donald would be multiple time champions.

And you guys are acting like Buckner is Bruce Smith, Reggie White, and Deacon Jones rolled into one with the hype he gets here.

Agree that good QBs can mask team deficiencies. Rodgers has been doing it for years. Look at Seattle without Wilson.

The Buckner thing was interesting. He was an asset still under contract while Armstead was a free agent. I suppose they thought Armstead and another 1st round DT was a better play than just Buckner. You just cant pick someone with a bad knee.

Originally posted by Stanley:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Yeah, that was a killer mistake. But I wouldn't say it's the biggest. We've missed on several better QBs which we could have had, and that's undeniably the most important position.

What is you argument here? Keeping Buckner would have boosted morale? Somehow help Jimmy play better? Buckner was silent often, didn't do much against us, and is barely is household name. Seems like you're being critical just to be critical here.

My argument is that with Bucker this pass rush wins us one of those four games, but that whiffing on the QB position has hurt this team more. As far as morale, yeah, that hurt morale. He was a leader on this team, and when your team doesn't pay the people who contribute to your team's success, it hurts the morale, and that hurts our ability to go get free agents.

We lost a leader when we let go of Buckner.

The 2019 team was full of real leaders.

Sherman
Buckner
Kwon to a certain extent
Sanders
Staley

whos the leader now?

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
We lost a leader when we let go of Buckner.

The 2019 team was full of real leaders.

Sherman
Buckner
Kwon to a certain extent
Sanders
Staley

whos the leader now?

reportedly Kittle and Mostert

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
It all started with Buckner. That was the biggest mistake. You don't let your prize homegrown tackle leave. You keep Buckner, Warner, bosa. That was your defensive core. And they completely botched it.

facts....i will never get over trading buckner
How can u be SO STUPID

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
We lost a leader when we let go of Buckner.

The 2019 team was full of real leaders.

Sherman
Buckner
Kwon to a certain extent
Sanders
Staley

whos the leader now?

reportedly Kittle and Mostert

So yea…no real leaders.

Both these guys have missed a ton of games/practices. Can't be a leader of you ain't on the field