Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Made up stat

Googles what is average air yards

now your just googling what is IAY lol. Yeah next gen stats is just making stuff up. Your right avg depth of target isn't real life.

Hey man just say you don't like analytics. Just say you don't like any stat that doesn't make your hero look great, it's pretty clear you get super offend when anyone points out anything critical of him.

I guess I can just say any stat I don't like is made up

Ok... If I'm wrong show me the metrics that IAY means anything at all. Link me please to where IAY equates to points or anything... A single meaningful thing.

Lol Google doesn't even know

Bruh step up your google game. First, actually TYPE intended airyards per attempt. Second, put this next to it:

-fantasy.

That way you can get to the analytics sites that aren't interested in Fantasy Football.

Here's a quick Quara link. The first answer gives the rationale for the stat:

https://www.quora.com/What-does-the-NFL-statistic-Air-Yards-mean-What-is-its-significance

"One of the developments recently is the attempt to separate the contribution of the receiver from the contribution of the quarterback, so they can be evaluated separately. One way to do that is to separate a passing play into "air yards" (the distance covered while the ball is in the air) and "yards after catch" (the portion of the play the receiver runs after catching the ball).

Consider two 30 yard touchdown catches — a screen pass where the receiver runs it all the way in, or a bomb to a wide open receiver already standing in the end zone. The former would have 0 air yards and 30 yards after catch; the latter would have 30 air yards and 0 yards after catch. YAC seems to have caught on more quickly because it identifies receivers who are good at making their own space with the ball, but air yards matter as well — a quarterback who's got 300 yards by taking chances downfield is probably a better quarterback than a guy who got 300 yards passing by throwing a bunch of 5-yard slants that his receivers turned into big gains; they'd both have 300 yards passing at the end of the day, but the first guy would have more air yards."

Thank you!

For years one of the golden stats for a QB was YPA BUT that didn't account for YAC. air yards simply takes away the YAC. IAY shows avg depth of each passing attempt regardless of completion.

Like every damn stat our there, it's just another quantifiable data point we can use to evaluate a player

— a quarterback who's got 300 yards by taking chances downfield is probably a better quarterback than a guy who got 300 yards passing by throwing a bunch of 5-yard slants that his receivers turned into big gains; they'd both have 300 yards passing at the end of the day, but the first guy would have more air yards."

Lol "probably". It still explains nothing and says probably lol ffs

There is literally no stat that is the end all be all when it comes to quantifying a player.

Jimmy can "probably" win us a super bowl.

Probably is a terrible argument l

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Jimmy can "probably" win us a super bowl.

Probably is a terrible argument l

Well, Jimmy already almost won a Super Bowl. Trey is still trying to figure out how not to throw the ball too hard

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Jimmy can "probably" win us a super bowl.

Probably is a terrible argument l

Know any available "Definitely" guys?

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Made up stat

Googles what is average air yards

now your just googling what is IAY lol. Yeah next gen stats is just making stuff up. Your right avg depth of target isn't real life.

Hey man just say you don't like analytics. Just say you don't like any stat that doesn't make your hero look great, it's pretty clear you get super offend when anyone points out anything critical of him.

I guess I can just say any stat I don't like is made up

Ok... If I'm wrong show me the metrics that IAY means anything at all. Link me please to where IAY equates to points or anything... A single meaningful thing.

Lol Google doesn't even know

Bruh step up your google game. First, actually TYPE intended airyards per attempt. Second, put this next to it:

-fantasy.

That way you can get to the analytics sites that aren't interested in Fantasy Football.

Here's a quick Quara link. The first answer gives the rationale for the stat:

https://www.quora.com/What-does-the-NFL-statistic-Air-Yards-mean-What-is-its-significance

"One of the developments recently is the attempt to separate the contribution of the receiver from the contribution of the quarterback, so they can be evaluated separately. One way to do that is to separate a passing play into "air yards" (the distance covered while the ball is in the air) and "yards after catch" (the portion of the play the receiver runs after catching the ball).

Consider two 30 yard touchdown catches — a screen pass where the receiver runs it all the way in, or a bomb to a wide open receiver already standing in the end zone. The former would have 0 air yards and 30 yards after catch; the latter would have 30 air yards and 0 yards after catch. YAC seems to have caught on more quickly because it identifies receivers who are good at making their own space with the ball, but air yards matter as well — a quarterback who's got 300 yards by taking chances downfield is probably a better quarterback than a guy who got 300 yards passing by throwing a bunch of 5-yard slants that his receivers turned into big gains; they'd both have 300 yards passing at the end of the day, but the first guy would have more air yards."

Thank you!

For years one of the golden stats for a QB was YPA BUT that didn't account for YAC. air yards simply takes away the YAC. IAY shows avg depth of each passing attempt regardless of completion.

Like every damn stat our there, it's just another quantifiable data point we can use to evaluate a player

— a quarterback who's got 300 yards by taking chances downfield is probably a better quarterback than a guy who got 300 yards passing by throwing a bunch of 5-yard slants that his receivers turned into big gains; they'd both have 300 yards passing at the end of the day, but the first guy would have more air yards."

Lol "probably". It still explains nothing and says probably lol ffs

There is literally no stat that is the end all be all when it comes to quantifying a player.

Yet you guys focus 90% of your hatred on one stat. Like right now... What are we talking about? Again...

Hmmm…

Saints are suddenly on the hunt for a new QB…

Hmmm…

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
It's your only argument ever yet you can't explain how it impacts a QB game compared to non IYA? If you can't explain that and even show a single metric it benefits a QB how could you possibly know?

You're so thickheaded that you can't even read what people write. IT. IS. A. STAT. TO. EVALUATE. A. PLAYER.

It's no different then saying WR1 gets 1 yard of separation per route run vs WR2 that get's 3 yards of separation per route run. Which in your eyes is better?

Do you think if QB1's avg depth per target is 5 yards that's better than QB2's avg depth of target is 9 yards? Who's being asked to do more? IF Jimmy has 400 yards in a game but his IAY was like 6 yards, then it's a safe bet most of his yards came from YAC SO IMO the receivers should get more credit for those yards, not the QB. Does Jimmy get credit for that 85 yard Deebo bubble screen? f**k no, he wasn't running through DBs 85 yards downfield. Does he get credit for that 55 yard pass to Deebo? Yes it was a great throw.

Overall go look at the IAY over the last couple yrs, the bottom five teams overall either weren't good or had a poor season as far as the passing offense goes. The only dude that has had consistent success at the bottom of the list is Brees and he's on a different planet as far as accuracy and knowing where to go with the ball.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Well, for one, they now have NO picks rds 1-5. Check that out…according to GMFB. Still, it now makes them the team to beat in the SB. Compare that to two firsts and a swap up our 12th (or 13th) 1st for a 1 yr qb from a small school division that hasn't played in 2 yrs. Looking at it like that it makes the Trey trade look pretty iffy. I thot we were staying pat, and would take either Fields, Mack JOnes, or maybe Mund at #12 , whoever was there. Would have been insurance for jimmy, and given us perhaps a new QB further down the road. I like trey, just not at #3 and for 2 1sts plus our 1st rd pick for theirs.

Trey at #12 would have been a good pick for me. Same for Fields or Mack jones. Looking at the Rams picks in last couple yrs, it is obvious they want to win right now, and let the future ride. Will be interesting to see how this works out , several yrs down the pike. Wouldn''t you know we still have to play them twice now with Donald, Jalen , ?Foy?, and now Von Miller. That hurts. Word is Denver is paying his salary balance of this yr, also. Maybe those 1st rd (unknown or uncertain ) picks aren't as valuable as we all thot.

It doesn't matter where we picked Trey. If hes a franchise QB, it was a steal. A franchise QB is worth ten 1sts. People need to get over the price to move up and pick the guy you're convicted about. Fields has looked like trash this year outside of the 1st half yesterday. Mac Jones is the next Andy Dalton, and basically just a younger version of Garoppolo. Im not going to even address the Kellen Mond at 12 part. 🙄

Lance is raw, but he seems to have it ALL. Everything you'd want in a young franchise QB. He just needs time to learn, and he will gradually get more in game reps as he gets more ready. You don't throw him in before he's ready, and you don't talk crap about him for needing time to get up to speed at his age and experience level. Shanahan is going at the right pace. He's protecting a tremendous asset by doing it the right way. Most high draft pick rookie QB's are forced into action too early because the team blows and the coach is desperate to save his job. He plays the guy out of desperation.

I think we agree on most points, esp how kyle is using Trey initially. My question is taking a guy with terrific talent who hasn't played one snap against the Big 12, SEC, PAC 12, etc, and then hasn't played in a yr with only 1 yr of college ball, and calling him a FR QB? Nobody will convince me of that. Now, is he a POTENTIAL FR QB? Sure, but he sure isn't a FR QB… and neither you nor anyone else knows if he is or isn't. We are all crossing our fingers and HOPING he is. It just seems a really strange (and expensive player capital way) to go about acquiring a FR QB. Stafford…that one i get. Trey? That one i don't. Fields, Mack jones at least had big league competition to gauge them by. With Trey we got no gauge against big time talent.

Like i said, i would have been happy wiht Trey or Mack at #12 (or 13, whichever.) Fields and his epilepsy was too big a medical step for me, altho he had competed in the BIGS against top flite competition. It came down to Trey or Mack for me but wouldn't have moved up for either. Could or would Trey have been gone at #12? Maybe, but with his minimal experience, all i saw was a lot of talent and no idea if he was as good as he seemed.

The lack of comparative big time competition, just made it hard to understand a move up for him. Lots of talented players made it thru 11-12 first rd picks, including Mahomes who Andy Reid moved up one slot for. That i could see. But not Trey at #3 . He wasn't the 3rd best player in the draft, and he may or may not have been the 3rd best qb. I am hoping he is the 1st or 2nd best QB. But there are a lot of "IFs" in there for that.

Whatever, it is a fait accompli, and is water under the bridge. I am happy wiht him as insurance for JG, and think kyle is bringing him along slowly which is he only way to do it. Fields, TRevor, and Zack (NYJ) were all thrown into the fire and may have been or are being ruined. Bad football IMO. So with Trey we will see…and hope… and if he is the FR QB, then , yes this was a terrific idea. I just wish there had been comps and a lot more experience before we acquired him the manner in which we did.

Originally posted by Stanley:
Well, Jimmy already almost won a Super Bowl. Trey is still trying to figure out how not to throw the ball too hard

How many drops did Jimmy have yesterday 3 or 4 balls? I guess Jimmy is throwing the ball too hard. Maybe he needs to learn to throw with some touch....that's how it works right?

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Made up stat

Googles what are air yards

you can also google a lot of other stats and FF stuff will come up.

Or you could help me and link me to where it has any metric on an outcome of games. It's made up. I'd love to see where you guys get your info that the possibility of having air yards has an impact on a game.

Lololol yeah right

Dont worry, you will understand football one day better.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
— a quarterback who's got 300 yards by taking chances downfield is probably a better quarterback than a guy who got 300 yards passing by throwing a bunch of 5-yard slants that his receivers turned into big gains; they'd both have 300 yards passing at the end of the day, but the first guy would have more air yards."

Lol "probably". It still explains nothing and says probably lol ffs

K dude you're not allowed to use a single stat on any player in this forum going forward. You clearly don't like stats especially anything that hurts your hero.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
— a quarterback who's got 300 yards by taking chances downfield is probably a better quarterback than a guy who got 300 yards passing by throwing a bunch of 5-yard slants that his receivers turned into big gains; they'd both have 300 yards passing at the end of the day, but the first guy would have more air yards."

Lol "probably". It still explains nothing and says probably lol ffs

Dont want to hear you talk about another stat for the rest of the season. Not a one.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Dont worry, you will understand football one day better.

Like I said he can't use any stat going forward in here...cause anyone could say "sHoW Me MeTric On aN ouTcoMe of gAMes" for just about any single stat on a player.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Do you think if QB1's avg depth per target is 5 yards that's better than QB2's avg depth of target is 9 yards? Who's being asked to do more? IF Jimmy has 400 yards in a game but his IAY was like 6 yards, then it's a safe bet most of his yards came from YAC SO IMO the receivers should get more credit for those yards, not the QB.

So if Jimmy had 400 air yards and next game 400 YAC yards. 400 yards were still gained. Regardless. It doesn't matter. 400 yards is 400 yards. There's literally zero difference. The ball left the QBs hands amassed 400 yards.

No "intended"yards needed. The 400 is "definite". Right 99?

i feel bad for him