Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
So if Jimmy had 400 air yards and next game 400 YAC yards. 400 yards were still gained. Regardless. It doesn't matter. 400 yards is 400 yards. There's literally zero difference. The ball left the QBs hands amassed 400 yards.

No "intended"yards needed. The 400 is "definite". Right 99?

A lot of people gush over arm strength and think it is more important than winning. Despite the fact we are the 49ers and our entire history is about the West Coast Offense and the whole point of the WCO is the exact opposite of air yards. The short passing game and YAC is in our DNA. Walsh and Montana were not much for air yards.

He's gonna have to put up at least one good game against the Cards or Rams to ensure his starter status. If he loses both it would be a decent opportunity to start Lance against the Jags.

But with Shanny, he may just ride or die with JG regardless of the record. If he feels Lance will just reinforce bad mechanics then its a good thing... if its his overly loyal to vets fault then its no bueno.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
A lot of people gush over arm strength and think it is more important than winning. Despite the fact we are the 49ers and our entire history is about the West Coast Offense and the whole point of the WCO is the exact opposite of air yards. The short passing game and YAC is in our DNA. Walsh and Montana were not much for air yards.

*sighs*

There isnt a single person here that thinks this. Jesus I swear you guys are creating arguments in your head and then posting.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
A 50 yard bomb skews the numbers LMAO

Are you confused about the stat like you are about every mobile QB getting hurt this year? Hehe.

No I just understand that this stat is about attempts. Just like I understand that statistical evidence says running QBs don't get injured more.

LOL. Nope.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
So if Jimmy had 400 air yards and next game 400 YAC yards. 400 yards were still gained. Regardless. It doesn't matter. 400 yards is 400 yards. There's literally zero difference. The ball left the QBs hands amassed 400 yards.

No "intended"yards needed. The 400 is "definite". Right 99?

I would say that we shouldn't be paying a QB $27M to throw bubble screens and shovel passes if every yard was YAC. You don't need to pay a top end QB top money if that's what they're doing.

I would say Deebo/Kittle are the reason we're winning games in that scenario and our QB is doing nothing more than handing the ball off. I would say our receivers wouldn't make it through a full season because they were getting piss pounded. I would say that most certainly isn't a viable way to have consistent success in the passing game.

But again you're not allowed to use stats in here because we could make up some b******t narrative on every single stat, "show me the metric on game results"

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
A 50 yard bomb skews the numbers LMAO

Are you confused about the stat like you are about every mobile QB getting hurt this year? Hehe.

No I just understand that this stat is about attempts. Just like I understand that statistical evidence says running QBs don't get injured more.

LOL. Nope.

NCommand you seem like you are a fairly sharp, logical person. Why do you continue to argue with me when there are countless statistical studies that prove running QBs dont get hurt more? Are you really that married to your position that you cant just admit you are wrong? I just dont get it.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
A lot of people gush over arm strength and think it is more important than winning. Despite the fact we are the 49ers and our entire history is about the West Coast Offense and the whole point of the WCO is the exact opposite of air yards. The short passing game and YAC is in our DNA. Walsh and Montana were not much for air yards.

*sighs*

There isnt a single person here that thinks this. Jesus I swear you guys are creating arguments in your head and then posting.

There are plenty of people that think this when the current QB's knock is that he cant throw the outside deep pass. Just sayin.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Ok... If I'm wrong show me the metrics that IAY means anything at all. Link me please to where IAY equates to points or anything... A single meaningful thing.

Lol Google doesn't even know

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:
He's gonna have to put up at least one good game against the Cards or Rams to ensure his starter status. If he loses both it would be a decent opportunity to start Lance against the Jags.

But with Shanny, he may just ride or die with JG regardless of the record. If he feels Lance will just reinforce bad mechanics then its a good thing... if its his overly loyal to vets fault then its no bueno.

Agree with option #2. Look at Trevor, Zack (NYJ), Fields…getting the stuffing beaten out of them, Zack injured, and not doing anything great for their confidence either. And i believe Kyle continues to sit Trey while he learns….and backs up as needed.

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
A lot of people gush over arm strength and think it is more important than winning. Despite the fact we are the 49ers and our entire history is about the West Coast Offense and the whole point of the WCO is the exact opposite of air yards. The short passing game and YAC is in our DNA. Walsh and Montana were not much for air yards.

*sighs*

There isnt a single person here that thinks this. Jesus I swear you guys are creating arguments in your head and then posting.

There are plenty of people that think this when the current QB's knock is that he cant throw the outside deep pass. Just sayin.

No one is claiming throwing deep is more important that winning. Yes, its a knock on our current QB and has been pointed out by many posters....yet not a single one of them says that its more important than winning.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Dont worry, you will understand football one day better.

Like I said he can't use any stat going forward in here...cause anyone could say "sHoW Me MeTric On aN ouTcoMe of gAMes" for just about any single stat on a player.

What about wins and losses? Jimmy won us the game Sunday with great play but lost us the Sunday before with terrible play?

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
A lot of people gush over arm strength and think it is more important than winning. Despite the fact we are the 49ers and our entire history is about the West Coast Offense and the whole point of the WCO is the exact opposite of air yards. The short passing game and YAC is in our DNA. Walsh and Montana were not much for air yards.

*sighs*

There isnt a single person here that thinks this. Jesus I swear you guys are creating arguments in your head and then posting.

Pretty much...

And who cares about how the game was played 40 years ago. I guess the Bears should switch back to a 4-6 defense and GB needs to go back to being a running team since thats how they won most their SB

Just for fun, Jimmy's intended air yards per quarter:
1st: 8.9 (10 passes)
2nd: 13.9 (9 passes) [9.4 without the bomb to Deebo]
3rd: 6.0 (6 passes)
4th: 10.5 (2 passes)

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
A lot of people gush over arm strength and think it is more important than winning. Despite the fact we are the 49ers and our entire history is about the West Coast Offense and the whole point of the WCO is the exact opposite of air yards. The short passing game and YAC is in our DNA. Walsh and Montana were not much for air yards.

Who's talking about arm strength? That has nothing to do with it...IAY is not just about throwing the ball 55 yards downfield. It's the depth of his targets overall. People simply hear the word air yards and think that means throwing it deep, which is incorrect.

What about Steve Young? This isn't the 80s man. This is 2021 and the rules have changed. You can't go 3 plays now without a freaking flag being thrown...you can't have long drawn out drives like back in the day.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
No s**t.

Throwing ONE 55 yard ball IN the air will always skew the averaged stat because the number of throws are minimal in the overall sample. Like Trey's TD to Deebo.

Just like throwing a bunch of balls at or behind the LOS skews it as well but in the other direction.

And at the end of the day, it still means nothing. If anything, it tells you more about the OC's game plan, primary receiving routes, HC philosophy and the "deep" personnel than anything about the QB himself.

Nobody ever argued we shouldn't be taking more deeper shots. Nobody.

Then what the hell are you arguing about lol? I can only think of one passing offense that was consistently successful when they were bottom of the league in IAY and that was the Saints and that's because Brees is one of the most accurate QBs in NFL history (and he was still higher than Jimmy) PLUS it's not just scheme/HC philosophy (like you constantly say) because Winston is currently 3rd in the league in IAY.

The whole point is take a damn shot every once in a while, take advantage of the rules, let your players have a chance. Everyone says the plays are never dialed up and I simply do not agree with that. The QB absolutely plays a big part in it and it's dumb to think he's not.

Hold a defense accountable for god sake. Deebo and BA are deep threats if someone actually let them be and I simply refuse to believe if Mahomes or Allen were Kyle's QBs that they would be bottom of the league in IAY and there's not a damn thing you can say to change my mind there.

You know exactly why. It was a specific stat that was low for Garoppolo and used to disparage him.

I had no issues with that as long as it was used in context of Kyle's play calling, Kyle's safe philosophy, deeper ghost routes, poor deep personnel, inconsistent weapons week to week, reviewing the primary receivers in those routes, poor pass protection, etc. It wasn't. It was a cheap easy go-to. Nothing more.

IAY also has no correlation to anything meaningful.

JG threw a 1 yard air yard pass to Deebo and it ends in an 84 yard TD. JG throws a 55 air yard pass and it results in a FG.

The obsession with that stat is just overblown...and weird.