Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by billbird2111:
Hmmm…

Saints are suddenly on the hunt for a new QB…

Hmmm…

but trading Jimmy now, with no vet QB to help out, puts Trey right back into the fire.

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by billbird2111:
Hmmm…

Saints are suddenly on the hunt for a new QB…

Hmmm…

but trading Jimmy now, with no vet QB to help out, puts Trey right back into the fire.

Fields was "thrown into the fire" and the Bears got a lot of crap over it… until yesterday.

He's going to have to go back into the fire eventually.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
I've googled it myself seriously trying to find anything important about the stat. Anything at all. This is what I find. The best I can find

• IAY: Intended air yards, air yards on all pass attempts, whether complete or incomplete
• Some fantasy footballers use this name interchangeably with average depth of target. NFL defines Average Intended Air Yards (IAY) as "the average Air Yards a passer throws on all attempts. This metric shows how far the ball is being thrown 'downfield'."

What is IAY in football?

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/189603-qb-jimmy-garoppolo-thread/page5985/#post89763

Put -fantasy in your search.

I think you'd have to type out the word "minus" for him.

Then again, he'd probably enter that word into the search.

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by billbird2111:
Hmmm…

Saints are suddenly on the hunt for a new QB…

Hmmm…

but trading Jimmy now, with no vet QB to help out, puts Trey right back into the fire.

I wouldn't trade JG to NO but if they offered 2 first round picks it would be very tempting.

I seriously doubt they offer that much though.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Pretty much...

And who cares about how the game was played 40 years ago. I guess the Bears should switch back to a 4-6 defense and GB needs to go back to being a running team since thats how they won most their SB

Packers sweep 50x a game.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Made up stat

Googles what is average air yards

now your just googling what is IAY lol. Yeah next gen stats is just making stuff up. Your right avg depth of target isn't real life.

Hey man just say you don't like analytics. Just say you don't like any stat that doesn't make your hero look great, it's pretty clear you get super offend when anyone points out anything critical of him.

I guess I can just say any stat I don't like is made up

Ok... If I'm wrong show me the metrics that IAY means anything at all. Link me please to where IAY equates to points or anything... A single meaningful thing.

Lol Google doesn't even know

Bruh step up your google game. First, actually TYPE intended airyards per attempt. Second, put this next to it:

-fantasy.

That way you can get to the analytics sites that aren't interested in Fantasy Football.

Here's a quick Quara link. The first answer gives the rationale for the stat:

https://www.quora.com/What-does-the-NFL-statistic-Air-Yards-mean-What-is-its-significance

"One of the developments recently is the attempt to separate the contribution of the receiver from the contribution of the quarterback, so they can be evaluated separately. One way to do that is to separate a passing play into "air yards" (the distance covered while the ball is in the air) and "yards after catch" (the portion of the play the receiver runs after catching the ball).

Consider two 30 yard touchdown catches — a screen pass where the receiver runs it all the way in, or a bomb to a wide open receiver already standing in the end zone. The former would have 0 air yards and 30 yards after catch; the latter would have 30 air yards and 0 yards after catch. YAC seems to have caught on more quickly because it identifies receivers who are good at making their own space with the ball, but air yards matter as well — a quarterback who's got 300 yards by taking chances downfield is probably a better quarterback than a guy who got 300 yards passing by throwing a bunch of 5-yard slants that his receivers turned into big gains; they'd both have 300 yards passing at the end of the day, but the first guy would have more air yards."

Thank you!

For years one of the golden stats for a QB was YPA BUT that didn't account for YAC. air yards simply takes away the YAC. IAY shows avg depth of each passing attempt regardless of completion.

Like every damn stat our there, it's just another quantifiable data point we can use to evaluate a player

— a quarterback who's got 300 yards by taking chances downfield is probably a better quarterback than a guy who got 300 yards passing by throwing a bunch of 5-yard slants that his receivers turned into big gains; they'd both have 300 yards passing at the end of the day, but the first guy would have more air yards."

Lol "probably". It still explains nothing and says probably lol ffs

There is literally no stat that is the end all be all when it comes to quantifying a player.

Otherwise, Jimmy completely sucked yesterday because he had 0 TD passes. Right?

How many pages will this needlessly go on?

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
No one is claiming throwing deep is more important that winning. Yes, its a knock on our current QB and has been pointed out by many posters....yet not a single one of them says that its more important than winning.

The game plan of LeFleur and Rodgers , KK in AZ, Pete the cheat in SEA, and Reich in 4 consecutive games was to throw deep 3-4 times /game and look for the red flag, and all virtually all but 1 of those 12 passes ended up DPIs. Throwing deep isn't the QBs choice , it's the HC's Why kyle didn't do what opposing coaches were doing is a mystery. We gave up almost 120 yds/game and 3 TDs to PIs. Kyle SHOULD have been doing the same thing but didn't. That's on the HC, not the QB.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
A 50 yard bomb skews the numbers LMAO

Are you confused about the stat like you are about every mobile QB getting hurt this year? Hehe.

No I just understand that this stat is about attempts. Just like I understand that statistical evidence says running QBs don't get injured more.

LOL. Nope.

NCommand you seem like you are a fairly sharp, logical person. Why do you continue to argue with me when there are countless statistical studies that prove running QBs dont get hurt more? Are you really that married to your position that you cant just admit you are wrong? I just dont get it.

Have you watched any other games this year? Check that. Have you watched the 49ers vs. Cards?

I can find a "study" that proves smoking is healthy. That doesn't mean it's accurate. Also, in most of these studies it's all in how you operationally define your terms. That's subjective by nature.

At the end of the day, the more you keep the ball in a QB's hands, the longer he holds it, the higher probability he's going to get hurt eventually.

#16Times

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
No one is claiming throwing deep is more important that winning. Yes, its a knock on our current QB and has been pointed out by many posters....yet not a single one of them says that its more important than winning.

The game plan of LeFleur and Rodgers , KK in AZ, Pete the cheat in SEA, and Reich in 4 consecutive games was to throw deep 3-4 times /game and look for the red flag, and all virtually all but 1 of those 12 passes ended up DPIs. Throwing deep isn't the QBs choice , it's the HC's Why kyle didn't do what opposing coaches were doing is a mystery. We gave up almost 120 yds/game and 3 TDs to PIs. Kyle SHOULD have been doing the same thing but didn't. That's on the HC, not the QB.

I highly doubt Rodgers or some of these other QBs only makes the throws his coach tells him to. Any proof to back this up?

Originally posted by NCommand:
You know exactly why. It was a specific stat that was low for Garoppolo and used to disparage him.

I had no issues with that as long as it was used in context of Kyle's play calling, Kyle's safe philosophy, deeper ghost routes, poor deep personnel, inconsistent weapons week to week, reviewing the primary receivers in those routes, poor pass protection, etc. It wasn't. It was a cheap easy go-to. Nothing more.

IAY also has no correlation to anything meaningful.

JG threw a 1 yard air yard pass to Deebo and it ends in an 84 yard TD. JG throws a 55 air yard pass and it results in a FG.

The obsession with that stat is just overblown...and weird.

Lol well when he's perhaps worst in the league after a full year of data has been entered,...even in a successful year.... then the disparagement is due.

His lackluster ability to test the better teams vertically is what we SAW WITH OUR OWN EYES in the playoffs. Stats like IAY, AY/A, AY/C, simply VERIFY what we've already seen. If they didn't verify,...then maybe we'd have to go back and rewatch the games.

But they do verify our suspicions, just as NextGen would probably confirm my suspicion that all of our success passing yesterday was pretty much down the middle of the field,...something we already know is Jimmy G's bread and butter when available because he's a poor thrower outside the hashes.

But yes,...verification of issues is how stats are useful in the world.

You can do better.

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by billbird2111:
Hmmm…

Saints are suddenly on the hunt for a new QB…

Hmmm…

but trading Jimmy now, with no vet QB to help out, puts Trey right back into the fire.

I wouldn't trade JG to NO but if they offered 2 first round picks it would be very tempting.

I seriously doubt they offer that much though.

If we were offered two first round picks for Jimmy G I would throw my wife in the trade for free lol

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
A 50 yard bomb skews the numbers LMAO

Are you confused about the stat like you are about every mobile QB getting hurt this year? Hehe.

No I just understand that this stat is about attempts. Just like I understand that statistical evidence says running QBs don't get injured more.

LOL. Nope.

NCommand you seem like you are a fairly sharp, logical person. Why do you continue to argue with me when there are countless statistical studies that prove running QBs dont get hurt more? Are you really that married to your position that you cant just admit you are wrong? I just dont get it.

Have you watched any other games this year? Check that. Have you watched the 49ers vs. Cards?

I can find a "study" that proves smoking is healthy. That doesn't mean it's accurate. Also, in most of these studies it's all in how you operationally define your terms. That's subjective by nature.

At the end of the day, the more you keep the ball in a QB's hands, the longer he holds it, the higher probability he's going to get hurt eventually.

#16Times

No I havent watched any other games this year. Come on now.

There are COUNTLLESS studies, not just one. Countless. So your example of a study that proves smoking is healthy is comparing apples to hand grenades.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Made up stat

Googles what is average air yards

now your just googling what is IAY lol. Yeah next gen stats is just making stuff up. Your right avg depth of target isn't real life.

Hey man just say you don't like analytics. Just say you don't like any stat that doesn't make your hero look great, it's pretty clear you get super offend when anyone points out anything critical of him.

I guess I can just say any stat I don't like is made up

Ok... If I'm wrong show me the metrics that IAY means anything at all. Link me please to where IAY equates to points or anything... A single meaningful thing.

Lol Google doesn't even know

Bruh step up your google game. First, actually TYPE intended airyards per attempt. Second, put this next to it:

-fantasy.

That way you can get to the analytics sites that aren't interested in Fantasy Football.

Here's a quick Quara link. The first answer gives the rationale for the stat:

https://www.quora.com/What-does-the-NFL-statistic-Air-Yards-mean-What-is-its-significance

"One of the developments recently is the attempt to separate the contribution of the receiver from the contribution of the quarterback, so they can be evaluated separately. One way to do that is to separate a passing play into "air yards" (the distance covered while the ball is in the air) and "yards after catch" (the portion of the play the receiver runs after catching the ball).

Consider two 30 yard touchdown catches — a screen pass where the receiver runs it all the way in, or a bomb to a wide open receiver already standing in the end zone. The former would have 0 air yards and 30 yards after catch; the latter would have 30 air yards and 0 yards after catch. YAC seems to have caught on more quickly because it identifies receivers who are good at making their own space with the ball, but air yards matter as well — a quarterback who's got 300 yards by taking chances downfield is probably a better quarterback than a guy who got 300 yards passing by throwing a bunch of 5-yard slants that his receivers turned into big gains; they'd both have 300 yards passing at the end of the day, but the first guy would have more air yards."

Thank you!

For years one of the golden stats for a QB was YPA BUT that didn't account for YAC. air yards simply takes away the YAC. IAY shows avg depth of each passing attempt regardless of completion.

Like every damn stat our there, it's just another quantifiable data point we can use to evaluate a player

— a quarterback who's got 300 yards by taking chances downfield is probably a better quarterback than a guy who got 300 yards passing by throwing a bunch of 5-yard slants that his receivers turned into big gains; they'd both have 300 yards passing at the end of the day, but the first guy would have more air yards."

Lol "probably". It still explains nothing and says probably lol ffs

There is literally no stat that is the end all be all when it comes to quantifying a player.

Otherwise, Jimmy completely sucked yesterday because he had 0 TD passes. Right?

How many pages will this needlessly go on?

You have to admit getting TDs is important. TD passes and INTs both have a huger effect on QB ratings because they are more important than yards. The TDs for obvious reasons and the INTs can turn a game around. Gaining 60 yards in the air during a drive that doesn't result in points is worthless.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
You know exactly why. It was a specific stat that was low for Garoppolo and used to disparage him.

I had no issues with that as long as it was used in context of Kyle's play calling, Kyle's safe philosophy, deeper ghost routes, poor deep personnel, inconsistent weapons week to week, reviewing the primary receivers in those routes, poor pass protection, etc. It wasn't. It was a cheap easy go-to. Nothing more.

IAY also has no correlation to anything meaningful.

JG threw a 1 yard air yard pass to Deebo and it ends in an 84 yard TD. JG throws a 55 air yard pass and it results in a FG.

The obsession with that stat is just overblown...and weird.

Lol well when he's perhaps worst in the league after a full year of data has been entered,...even in a successful year.... then the disparagement is due.

His lackluster ability to test the better teams vertically is what we SAW WITH OUR OWN EYES in the playoffs. Stats like IAY, AY/A, AY/C, simply VERIFY what we've already seen. If they didn't verify,...then maybe we'd have to go back and rewatch the games.

But they do verify our suspicions, just as NextGen would probably confirm my suspicion that all of our success passing yesterday was pretty much down the middle of the field,...something we already know is Jimmy G's bread and butter when available because he's a poor thrower outside the hashes.

But yes,...verification of issues is how stats are useful in the world.

You can do better.

Its almost as if Jimmy didnt have his best game since 2019 yesterday.

Originally posted by NCommand:
You know exactly why. It was a specific stat that was low for Garoppolo and used to disparage him.

I had no issues with that as long as it was used in context of Kyle's play calling, Kyle's safe philosophy, deeper ghost routes, poor deep personnel, inconsistent weapons week to week, reviewing the primary receivers in those routes, poor pass protection, etc. It wasn't. It was a cheap easy go-to. Nothing more.

IAY also has no correlation to anything meaningful.

JG threw a 1 yard air yard pass to Deebo and it ends in an 84 yard TD. JG throws a 55 air yard pass and it results in a FG.

The obsession with that stat is just overblown...and weird.

No you think it was to disparage him BUT in reality most passing offenses that have a low IAY are not consistently good, outside of Brees who's on another planet in regards to accuracy and knowing where to go with the ball. That was his skill set and Payton called plays to his strength. It's not the same with Winston under center.

Kyle with Ryan in 2016 was over 2 yards more in IAY. It was the top half of the league not consistently the bottom 5 like it's been with Jimmy.

What player stat has correlation to anything meaningful? That's a b******t counterpoint that has no teeth. I could say the same thing for just about every single quantitative data point on a single player all the same.

That is a PERFECT example of what people are talking about...Jimmy throws a screen at the LOS that Deebo then takes 84 yards, who should get more credit for that play? Same thing in reverse with the 55 yard perfectly thrown deep ball.

IF your whole plan is to throw bubble screens/ shovel passes and a bunch of passes under 10 yards all year you don't need to pay the QB $27M to do that job.

How about this example: RB is constantly getting hit before the LOS BUT somehow always gets positive yards, who's getting the credit for those yards....the RB or the OL?? Results are the same, positive yards but when evaluating the player the OL didn't do it's part.

Imagine thinking depth of target is pointless when evaluating a QB. For YEARS everyone talked about YPA and it being the golden stat regarding QB. NOW they just took the YAC part out of it, and some people who are favorable to a certain QB hate it. THATS weird.