Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I come in here and ya'll are still talking air yards.

Let's talk about WHY Jimmy looked so comfortable.

For the first time in his entire 9er career, Kyle called a spread offensive game plan with the most 3 and 4 WR sets I've ever seen. Shotgun. Limited, if any PA passes with his back to the OL. Both RB's and TE's were available receivers and not staying in to help with pass protection.

In short, he just got to sit back there and pick his open receiver (his entire career outside of here in SF) including off schedule plays (2017).

With Mitchell rolling now and Hasty as the 3rd down pass catcher and Kittle potentially coming back, the only question is, "Will Kyle stay with a spread offense going forward and keep ALL of these receiving options out in routes?"

really? didnt seem too excessive

nvm all caught up lmao

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
And PFF doesn't even measure the heart, the competitive fire. Seeing him spike that ball after his 2nd rush TD, it was like the weight of everything that happened in the offseason is off his back now.

You are too much man. Thanks for the laugh.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by Joecool:
What do you guys think, JG to the Saints!!?

for what?

Anyone who wants JG traded now =

He's just getting started. Imagine his trade value in the offseason after 10 more games like Sunday. We're getting our #1 pick back fellas.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Jimmy Garoppolo - 🔥
80.2 PFF Grade in week 8

4th among all QBs 😤 pic.twitter.com/Zx2bb2qm6l

— PFF SF 49ers (@PFF_49ers) November 1, 2021

oh s**t not bad!

And PFF doesn't even measure the heart, the competitive fire. Seeing him spike that ball after his 2nd rush TD, it was like the weight of everything that happened in the offseason is off his back now.

if he wore a fitbit or something then maybe could measure the heart for PFF

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by Joecool:
What do you guys think, JG to the Saints!!?

for what?

Anyone who wants JG traded now =

He's just getting started. Imagine his trade value in the offseason after 10 more games like Sunday. We're getting our #1 pick back fellas.

LOL

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Let me know when we get one of the two very best deep threats of all time...one because of speed and elusiveness and the other d/t size.

Any HC would call more deeper shots like that because they become a higher % throw vs. guys like Kendrick Bourne, Brandon Aiyuk and Deebo Samuel. In fact, if Kyle was more interested in IAY, he'd freaking draft personnel with that strength and skill set.

speed and elusiveness? Who the hell is that on falcons... and don't you dare say Aldrick Robinson Matt Ryan can just throw the ball downfield better. It's as simple as that....I know it's really hard for you to admit.

NC I know you don't evaluate college prospects with the comment about not drafting WR that can catch balls downfield...I swear you never watched Deebo at South Carolina or Ayiuk in ASU with that comment.

He referenced two offenses who had/have Tyreek Hill and Julio Jones and wonders why Kyle doesn't take more shots.

Ya'll are misfocused.

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I come in here and ya'll are still talking air yards.

Let's talk about WHY Jimmy looked so comfortable.

For the first time in his entire 9er career, Kyle called a spread offensive game plan with the most 3 and 4 WR sets I've ever seen. Shotgun. Limited, if any PA passes with his back to the OL. Both RB's and TE's were available receivers and not staying in to help with pass protection.

In short, he just got to sit back there and pick his open receiver (his entire career outside of here in SF) including off schedule plays (2017).

With Mitchell rolling now and Hasty as the 3rd down pass catcher and Kittle potentially coming back, the only question is, "Will Kyle stay with a spread offense going forward and keep ALL of these receiving options out in routes?"

really? didnt seem too excessive

nvm all caught up lmao

Haha.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I think JG was making a point out there. He was running the Trey package and doing it better than Trey to be honest. That was an absolute game for the ages. Even more impressive considering how many drops our receivers had. JG has the fire in him. Open it up and let him throw.

It's absolutely astonishing how low our fanbase's bar for QB play has become.

for the AGES. lol. good god you know I've had my moments gushing over Jimmy via some 2019 games of his, but let's not get carried away

jimmy needs to play like that for 10 more games straight. no excuses.

minimizing turnovers to almost 0, keeping the chains moving, making good decisions with his IQ and experience by now as a vet, working the middle short game to maximum efficiency like what he's good at, and taking more shots/connecting deep more consistently.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I think JG was making a point out there. He was running the Trey package and doing it better than Trey to be honest. That was an absolute game for the ages. Even more impressive considering how many drops our receivers had. JG has the fire in him. Open it up and let him throw.

It's absolutely astonishing how low our fanbase's bar for QB play has become.

Not sure how many times a 49ers QB has thrown for 300 and ran for 2 TDs. To do that in your hometown, with the pressure of your job and future on the line, absolute no doubt game for the ages. 10/10 on that spike as well that was as good as Steve Young vs the Bears in the playoffs back in the day

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

IF your whole plan is to throw bubble screens/ shovel passes and a bunch of passes under 10 yards all year you don't need to pay the QB $27M to do that job.

And there it is. If you have a problem with IAY, you should be bringing this up in the Kyle Shanahan thread. Not the Jimmy Garoppolo thread.

Ya no doubt. If he had lets say Pat instead of Jimmy, I'm sure Kyles game plan would just involves 5 yard passes lol. That's obviously how Ryan wonMVP, and how Schuab let the NFL in passing yards.

Let me know when we get one of the two very best deep threats of all time...one because of speed and elusiveness and the other d/t size and athleticism. Two HOF worthy players.

Any HC would call more deeper shots like that because they become a higher % throw vs. guys like Kendrick Bourne, Brandon Aiyuk and Deebo Samuel. In fact, if Kyle was more interested in IAY, he'd freaking draft personnel with that strength and skill set.

See the problem is that you are too much focused on literally a streak a route, and there's no way else to use the whole field or different routes than running in a straight line. Like it's impossible to scheme guys open on a post routes, wheel routes, deep outs, etc. Like you need to have HOF players at WR otherwise its impossible to get open down the field.

Yet you referenced Matt Ryan and Patrick Mahomes while leaving out Tyreek Hill and Julio Jones.

Hey, don't think I'm not in favor of pushing the ball more esp. in a passing league but what I'm trying to get you to see is this is who Kyle is.

In a Colts game where every deep throw was garnering a P.I. and in a game where Jimmy lead 8 scoring drives in a row AND completed a perfect bomb, Kyle had every license to dial up way more than...one shot. But he didn't.

PS: I've wanted Kyle to adapt to a spread offense since Jimmy got here. Because that's his skill set and comfort zone.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I think JG was making a point out there. He was running the Trey package and doing it better than Trey to be honest. That was an absolute game for the ages. Even more impressive considering how many drops our receivers had. JG has the fire in him. Open it up and let him throw.

It's absolutely astonishing how low our fanbase's bar for QB play has become.

Not sure how many times a 49ers QB has thrown for 300 and ran for 2 TDs. To do that in your hometown, with the pressure of your job and future on the line, absolute no doubt game for the ages. 10/10 on that spike as well that was as good as Steve Young vs the Bears in the playoffs back in the day

So you are just trolling. Got it.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I think JG was making a point out there. He was running the Trey package and doing it better than Trey to be honest. That was an absolute game for the ages. Even more impressive considering how many drops our receivers had. JG has the fire in him. Open it up and let him throw.

It's absolutely astonishing how low our fanbase's bar for QB play has become.

Not sure how many times a 49ers QB has thrown for 300 and ran for 2 TDs. To do that in your hometown, with the pressure of your job and future on the line, absolute no doubt game for the ages. 10/10 on that spike as well that was as good as Steve Young vs the Bears in the playoffs back in the day

The problem is he ran for 2 scores instead of throwing and those count less in Fantasy Football.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Made up stat

Googles what is average air yards

now your just googling what is IAY lol. Yeah next gen stats is just making stuff up. Your right avg depth of target isn't real life.

Hey man just say you don't like analytics. Just say you don't like any stat that doesn't make your hero look great, it's pretty clear you get super offend when anyone points out anything critical of him.

I guess I can just say any stat I don't like is made up

Ok... If I'm wrong show me the metrics that IAY means anything at all. Link me please to where IAY equates to points or anything... A single meaningful thing.

Lol Google doesn't even know

Bruh step up your google game. First, actually TYPE intended airyards per attempt. Second, put this next to it:

-fantasy.

That way you can get to the analytics sites that aren't interested in Fantasy Football.

Here's a quick Quara link. The first answer gives the rationale for the stat:

https://www.quora.com/What-does-the-NFL-statistic-Air-Yards-mean-What-is-its-significance

"One of the developments recently is the attempt to separate the contribution of the receiver from the contribution of the quarterback, so they can be evaluated separately. One way to do that is to separate a passing play into "air yards" (the distance covered while the ball is in the air) and "yards after catch" (the portion of the play the receiver runs after catching the ball).

Consider two 30 yard touchdown catches — a screen pass where the receiver runs it all the way in, or a bomb to a wide open receiver already standing in the end zone. The former would have 0 air yards and 30 yards after catch; the latter would have 30 air yards and 0 yards after catch. YAC seems to have caught on more quickly because it identifies receivers who are good at making their own space with the ball, but air yards matter as well — a quarterback who's got 300 yards by taking chances downfield is probably a better quarterback than a guy who got 300 yards passing by throwing a bunch of 5-yard slants that his receivers turned into big gains; they'd both have 300 yards passing at the end of the day, but the first guy would have more air yards."

Thank you!

For years one of the golden stats for a QB was YPA BUT that didn't account for YAC. air yards simply takes away the YAC. IAY shows avg depth of each passing attempt regardless of completion.

Like every damn stat our there, it's just another quantifiable data point we can use to evaluate a player

— a quarterback who's got 300 yards by taking chances downfield is probably a better quarterback than a guy who got 300 yards passing by throwing a bunch of 5-yard slants that his receivers turned into big gains; they'd both have 300 yards passing at the end of the day, but the first guy would have more air yards."

Lol "probably". It still explains nothing and says probably lol ffs

There is literally no stat that is the end all be all when it comes to quantifying a player.

Yet you guys focus 90% of your hatred on one stat. Like right now... What are we talking about? Again...

I don't understand how you keep missing the point. The stat DOES tell us SOMETHING — it tells us exactly what it's supposed to: how much the QB is contributing to the yards of an average pass play.

That's never going to perfectly correlate with winning or losing, because some teams which have low IAYPA have dominant WRs, some dominant run games, some dominant defenses; some teams with a high IAYPA have terrible WRs, or bad coaching/playcalling (Mike Martz at his worst), or a QB who is too aggressive (maybe Jay Cutler?).

All that stat tells us is something we OUGHT to already know (but for some reason the Jimmy stans do not): Jimmy has relied on WRs getting YAC more than any other starting QB. This is obvious based on the film, but again, it seems to escape notice.

So we point to this quantifiable stat to try to remove the self-adhered BLINDFOLD you guys have. And because it's quantifiable and not deniable, you claim it's a "fantasy" stat. But we wouldn't be here if you just opened your eyes.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I think JG was making a point out there. He was running the Trey package and doing it better than Trey to be honest. That was an absolute game for the ages. Even more impressive considering how many drops our receivers had. JG has the fire in him. Open it up and let him throw.

It's absolutely astonishing how low our fanbase's bar for QB play has become.

Not sure how many times a 49ers QB has thrown for 300 and ran for 2 TDs. To do that in your hometown, with the pressure of your job and future on the line, absolute no doubt game for the ages. 10/10 on that spike as well that was as good as Steve Young vs the Bears in the playoffs back in the day

So you are just trolling. Got it.

Jimmy Garoppolo

Garoppolo also became the first 49ers quarterback to throw for 300-or-more yards and rush for two touchdowns in a game since Jeff Garcia vs. New Orleans Saints (12/10/00).1 hour ago

Yup being pumped for a win and our QB doing something that hasn't been done in over 20 years makes me a "troll".

This is our WZ.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Made up stat

Googles what is average air yards

now your just googling what is IAY lol. Yeah next gen stats is just making stuff up. Your right avg depth of target isn't real life.

Hey man just say you don't like analytics. Just say you don't like any stat that doesn't make your hero look great, it's pretty clear you get super offend when anyone points out anything critical of him.

I guess I can just say any stat I don't like is made up

Ok... If I'm wrong show me the metrics that IAY means anything at all. Link me please to where IAY equates to points or anything... A single meaningful thing.

Lol Google doesn't even know

Bruh step up your google game. First, actually TYPE intended airyards per attempt. Second, put this next to it:

-fantasy.

That way you can get to the analytics sites that aren't interested in Fantasy Football.

Here's a quick Quara link. The first answer gives the rationale for the stat:

https://www.quora.com/What-does-the-NFL-statistic-Air-Yards-mean-What-is-its-significance

"One of the developments recently is the attempt to separate the contribution of the receiver from the contribution of the quarterback, so they can be evaluated separately. One way to do that is to separate a passing play into "air yards" (the distance covered while the ball is in the air) and "yards after catch" (the portion of the play the receiver runs after catching the ball).

Consider two 30 yard touchdown catches — a screen pass where the receiver runs it all the way in, or a bomb to a wide open receiver already standing in the end zone. The former would have 0 air yards and 30 yards after catch; the latter would have 30 air yards and 0 yards after catch. YAC seems to have caught on more quickly because it identifies receivers who are good at making their own space with the ball, but air yards matter as well — a quarterback who's got 300 yards by taking chances downfield is probably a better quarterback than a guy who got 300 yards passing by throwing a bunch of 5-yard slants that his receivers turned into big gains; they'd both have 300 yards passing at the end of the day, but the first guy would have more air yards."

Thank you!

For years one of the golden stats for a QB was YPA BUT that didn't account for YAC. air yards simply takes away the YAC. IAY shows avg depth of each passing attempt regardless of completion.

Like every damn stat our there, it's just another quantifiable data point we can use to evaluate a player

— a quarterback who's got 300 yards by taking chances downfield is probably a better quarterback than a guy who got 300 yards passing by throwing a bunch of 5-yard slants that his receivers turned into big gains; they'd both have 300 yards passing at the end of the day, but the first guy would have more air yards."

Lol "probably". It still explains nothing and says probably lol ffs

There is literally no stat that is the end all be all when it comes to quantifying a player.

Yet you guys focus 90% of your hatred on one stat. Like right now... What are we talking about? Again...

I don't understand how you keep missing the point. The stat DOES tell us SOMETHING — it tells us exactly what it's supposed to: how much the QB is contributing to the yards of an average pass play.

That's never going to perfectly correlate with winning or losing, because some teams which have low IAYPA have dominant WRs, some dominant run games, some dominant defenses; some teams with a high IAYPA have terrible WRs, or bad coaching/playcalling (Mike Martz at his worst), or a QB who is too aggressive (maybe Jay Cutler?).

All that stat tells us is something we OUGHT to already know (but for some reason the Jimmy stans do not): Jimmy has relied on WRs getting YAC more than any other starting QB. This is obvious based on the film, but again, it seems to escape notice.

So we point to this quantifiable stat to try to remove the self-adhered BLINDFOLD you guys have. And because it's quantifiable and not deniable, you claim it's a "fantasy" stat. But we wouldn't be here if you just opened your eyes.

It tells us as much as the ALEX stat. Actually less as that's at least focused on 3rd downs.