Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

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Originally posted by YACBros85:
Ideally you want to put the ball in front of the receiver so he can catch it in stride in order to maximize the potential gain on the play. However, no qb is going to throw that accuratley everytime. Was it catchable? Yes. The fact that it was dropped leaves both players to blame. Who cares anyway? Spending 2 days talking about one insignificant play is a bit ridiculous, imo.

I think the issue some have is that it's an insignificant play on a day that was overwhelmingly good by JG and it feels like people are nitpicking because...well...it's Jimmy.

I get criticizing Jimmy after the Colts game. If he put another couple games up like that I was gonna be firmly on the, "start trey" wagon. But I bend towards positive views on our guys until they give me ample evidence to not be positive anymore. Like, I'm not gonna hope McG gets better at pass pro, at this point.

When our qb has a good game, we want to celebrate that and look positively for the future and 2 days of harping on a play like this is just kind of ridiculous.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
When the criticism is warranted, no problemo. When the criticism is 55 pages of frame by frame dissection of a meaningless stupid pass Houston we have a problem.

Why not 55 pages of the bomb at the end of the half? Or the JG busted play TD? Or the JG non-busted play TD? Or JG rallying the troops on the sideline which drew the praise of the broadcast crew? We win. FEELS GREAT BABY. JG gets the gameball. Instead of being happy, looking forward to next week, no we have to frame by frame this stupid play 1000 times as some gotcha point that JG screwed up or didn't throw it 100% perfect. It's nit picking on a grand scale it is beyond comical at this point.

I look forward to a showdown this weekend with a 7-1 team. Perhaps JG will throw 3 touchdowns, we get another win and I'll find out next week from the JG thread that if you zoom in and frame-by-frame the wobble from the 2nd TD pass is a little more than usual.

Oh, you really are new to the webzone. I thought you were perhaps a previously banned member that came back under a different screen name. This is what we do. Glad to have you here.

LOL I'm not new here I created this account over 10 years ago. I was posting a lot back in the day and stopped for a handful of years. I'm beginning to remember why I stopped lol.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jcs:
Not a deebo hater here but his current catch rate is his lowest in his career and by a significant percentage.

Sure sounds like hater talk to me. This makes you and I in the Deebo Hater club. We need to start recruiting.

Any type of criticism towards one of our players on here and you get labelled an hater, especially when the criticism Is aimed against the current QB

When the criticism is warranted, no problemo. When the criticism is 55 pages of frame by frame dissection of a meaningless stupid pass Houston we have a problem.

Why not 55 pages of the bomb at the end of the half? Or the JG busted play TD? Or the JG non-busted play TD? Or JG rallying the troops on the sideline which drew the praise of the broadcast crew? We win. FEELS GREAT BABY. JG gets the gameball. Instead of being happy, looking forward to next week, no we have to frame by frame this stupid play 1000 times as some gotcha point that JG screwed up or didn't throw it 100% perfect. It's nit picking on a grand scale it is beyond comical at this point.

I look forward to a showdown this weekend with a 7-1 team. Perhaps JG will throw 3 touchdowns, we get another win and I'll find out next week from the JG thread that if you zoom in and frame-by-frame the wobble from the 2nd TD pass is a little more than usual.

Because everyone is mature enough to agree on those things, regardless of what their personal opinions on Jimmy are.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Ideally you want to put the ball in front of the receiver so he can catch it in stride in order to maximize the potential gain on the play. However, no qb is going to throw that accuratley everytime. Was it catchable? Yes. The fact that it was dropped leaves both players to blame. Who cares anyway? Spending 2 days talking about one insignificant play is a bit ridiculous, imo.

I think the issue some have is that it's an insignificant play on a day that was overwhelmingly good by JG and it feels like people are nitpicking because...well...it's Jimmy.

I get criticizing Jimmy after the Colts game. If he put another couple games up like that I was gonna be firmly on the, "start trey" wagon. But I bend towards positive views on our guys until they give me ample evidence to not be positive anymore. Like, I'm not gonna hope McG gets better at pass pro, at this point.

When our qb has a good game, we want to celebrate that and look positively for the future and 2 days of harping on a play like this is just kind of ridiculous.

I don't remember how this started, but I jumped on the band wagon because some Jimmy homer said the pass was a good pass. It clearly wasn't, and that triggered me to the point that I wasted my life arguing the fact of reality to people who are incapable of seeing Jimmy objectively. I'm sure it's the same story for several others.

Regardless, from late in the second half on, Jimmy played excellently.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
I think the issue some have is that it's an insignificant play on a day that was overwhelmingly good by JG and it feels like people are nitpicking because...well...it's Jimmy.

I get criticizing Jimmy after the Colts game. If he put another couple games up like that I was gonna be firmly on the, "start trey" wagon. But I bend towards positive views on our guys until they give me ample evidence to not be positive anymore. Like, I'm not gonna hope McG gets better at pass pro, at this point.

When our qb has a good game, we want to celebrate that and look positively for the future and 2 days of harping on a play like this is just kind of ridiculous.

No. Its because people who homer out for Jimmy are incapable of accepting even the slightest criticism. Even on that play, every single person in this thread has said Deebo should have caught it. There shouldnt be a debate at all. But some people have to defend him no matter what, which leads to 20 pages of debate.

Jimmy played very well. Everyone agrees.

Originally posted by davide49:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by davide49:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Lol at Rodgers being in the same tier as Jimmy. Pass that stuff

facts. Rodgers hasn't really been very good this year. They're performing in a comparable fashion.

ANY/A DOES NOT LIE

Not sure If serious.🤔

i'm totally f'ing serious.

Look at ANY/A leaders and who has won the MVP award, going back to the early 80's.

If the MVP is a QB, almost every time he's the clear outlier in ANY/A.

Jimmy Garroppolo is better than haters want to admit, and Rodgers HAS NOT BEEN THAT GOOD this year.

I'm not saying that Jimmy is better, I'm saying that right now, for this season, their performance has been very similarly effective.

I also included Kirk Cousins in this tier. Facts are facts.

lol. you need to look up the definition of facts

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jcs:
Not a deebo hater here but his current catch rate is his lowest in his career and by a significant percentage.

Sure sounds like hater talk to me. This makes you and I in the Deebo Hater club. We need to start recruiting.

Any type of criticism towards one of our players on here and you get labelled an hater, especially when the criticism Is aimed against the current QB

When the criticism is warranted, no problemo. When the criticism is 55 pages of frame by frame dissection of a meaningless stupid pass Houston we have a problem.

Why not 55 pages of the bomb at the end of the half? Or the JG busted play TD? Or the JG non-busted play TD? Or JG rallying the troops on the sideline which drew the praise of the broadcast crew? We win. FEELS GREAT BABY. JG gets the gameball. Instead of being happy, looking forward to next week, no we have to frame by frame this stupid play 1000 times as some gotcha point that JG screwed up or didn't throw it 100% perfect. It's nit picking on a grand scale it is beyond comical at this point.

I look forward to a showdown this weekend with a 7-1 team. Perhaps JG will throw 3 touchdowns, we get another win and I'll find out next week from the JG thread that if you zoom in and frame-by-frame the wobble from the 2nd TD pass is a little more than usual.

ty lol. offense had no turnovers, gave up no sacks, and didn't punt once; guess this was inevitable so there'd be something to talk and be critical of

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by davide49:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by davide49:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Lol at Rodgers being in the same tier as Jimmy. Pass that stuff

facts. Rodgers hasn't really been very good this year. They're performing in a comparable fashion.

ANY/A DOES NOT LIE

Not sure If serious.🤔

i'm totally f'ing serious.

Look at ANY/A leaders and who has won the MVP award, going back to the early 80's.

If the MVP is a QB, almost every time he's the clear outlier in ANY/A.

Jimmy Garroppolo is better than haters want to admit, and Rodgers HAS NOT BEEN THAT GOOD this year.

I'm not saying that Jimmy is better, I'm saying that right now, for this season, their performance has been very similarly effective.

I also included Kirk Cousins in this tier. Facts are facts.

lol. you need to look up the definition of facts

I'm not even quite sure he knows what the word outlier is either.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Sure it does. It fails to distinguish between a guy who's thrown 17 TDs and a guy who's thrown 6. And before you say "attempts," Rodgers's TD percentage is an absurd 6.6% this year. Jimmy is at 3.5. And while Jimmy has 3 TDs rushing, Rodgers has 2. And while Trey has scored two touchdowns on plays relieving Jimmy, that still wouldn't be enough to turn that needle.

Rodgers is playing just shy of MVP level, right under the tier of Stafford and Brady this season.

I mean, come on. Lesson: no stat is the end all be all.

However, what that DOES tell us is that Jimmy is being more careful with the football this year. His 2.3 INT% would be a career low. That's definitely a good sign going forward, if it remains.

ANY/A adjusts for touchdowns thrown. Agree to disagree, on two fronts:

1. not completely dismissing your point, but if there is ONE METRIC, it's ANY/A.
2. Rodgers is most definitely not playing at an MVP level, at least statistically!

It's easy to say "they're 7-1 and it's all on him". If they DO finish 15-2, I'd bet you anything by that point he'd be top 3 in ANY/A.

Brady is not playing as well as Stafford and it's really not that close. he's solidly in tier #2.

any/a distributionOriginally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by davide49:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by davide49:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Lol at Rodgers being in the same tier as Jimmy. Pass that stuff

facts. Rodgers hasn't really been very good this year. They're performing in a comparable fashion.

ANY/A DOES NOT LIE

Not sure If serious.🤔

i'm totally f'ing serious.

Look at ANY/A leaders and who has won the MVP award, going back to the early 80's.

If the MVP is a QB, almost every time he's the clear outlier in ANY/A.

Jimmy Garroppolo is better than haters want to admit, and Rodgers HAS NOT BEEN THAT GOOD this year.

I'm not saying that Jimmy is better, I'm saying that right now, for this season, their performance has been very similarly effective.

I also included Kirk Cousins in this tier. Facts are facts.

lol. you need to look up the definition of facts

I'm not even quite sure he knows what the word outlier is either.

Actually I earn a pretty solid living doing analytics consulting. So yeah, I do, smart guy (not sure your giant helmet is helping much).

This is an outlier. Yeah, i'm pretty sure that's more than two standard deviations from the mean.

ANY/A distribution

Originally posted by davide49:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Sure it does. It fails to distinguish between a guy who's thrown 17 TDs and a guy who's thrown 6. And before you say "attempts," Rodgers's TD percentage is an absurd 6.6% this year. Jimmy is at 3.5. And while Jimmy has 3 TDs rushing, Rodgers has 2. And while Trey has scored two touchdowns on plays relieving Jimmy, that still wouldn't be enough to turn that needle.

Rodgers is playing just shy of MVP level, right under the tier of Stafford and Brady this season.

I mean, come on. Lesson: no stat is the end all be all.

However, what that DOES tell us is that Jimmy is being more careful with the football this year. His 2.3 INT% would be a career low. That's definitely a good sign going forward, if it remains.

ANY/A adjusts for touchdowns thrown. Agree to disagree, on two fronts:

1. not completely dismissing your point, but if there is ONE METRIC, it's ANY/A.
2. Rodgers is most definitely not playing at an MVP level, at least statistically!

It's easy to say "they're 7-1 and it's all on him". If they DO finish 15-2, I'd bet you anything by that point he'd be top 3 in ANY/A.

Brady is not playing as well as Stafford and it's really not that close. he's solidly in tier #2.

I mean I said "just shy."

Jimmy was solid last game. What's everyone b***hing about?

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
Jimmy was solid last game. What's everyone b***hing about?

A dropped slant pass at the beginning of the game that had no bearing on the outcome....aren't you paying attention!

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
Jimmy was solid last game. What's everyone b***hing about?

A dropped slant pass at the beginning of the game that had no bearing on the outcome....aren't you paying attention!

yep lol