Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Wholeheartedly disagree, but thats ok. Its all opinion....except for the last part. That last part isnt a fair point at all. You cant argue that Alex was better the 1+ year with Harbaugh and then use Jimmy's availability over the duration of his time here as a reason for that. If you want to pick out the one season where Alex wasnt terrible for us, then you have to compare it to Jimmy's 2019. And IMO, Jimmy's 2019 is substantially better than Alex's 2011.

By a lot. Jimmy was top 10 in most key QB stats that year. The only one he wasn't was overall yards, where he was still #12 with 4k.

I love Alex, and think he got dealt a horrible hand here, but 2011-2012 Alex < 2019 Jimmy

However, I would agree that 2011-2012 Alex > 2021 Jimmy, and I do believe that to be a relevant difference between the 2 circumstances Alex / Kaep and Jimmy / Trey

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Force fed. And he did so well he got a contract extension from Kyle. If you haven't noticed, Kyle loves to feature guys, one at a time per year. This year it's Deebo. It's what he does.

Like Garoppolo and others have confirmed, he's just executing the play calls and Kyle continues to confirm he's doing what's asked of him.

Kyle is and has always been the QB here, like it or not. Wait until Trey starts. You'll see it.

What does that have to do with anything I said? lol Who were the other WRs? Victor Boldin? Louis Murphy? 6th rd pick Trent Taylor? rookie UDFA Borune? lol wat?

The X in most of Kyle's schemes is the primary target hog. AJ in Texas, Garcon in DC, Julio in ATL. Even in the 5 games he had Gordon in Cleveland he had like 50 targets. Deebo getting force fed isn't all on Kyle, it's trust with his QB (and he's not the X). It's taking advantage of matchups and getting the ball in the hands of the guy you think will make a play.

Godwin was forced to be that because they literally had no one else. I wouldn't call a 3 yr $20M deal with only $8M GTD a massive extension either lol.

Again you're out your damn mind if you think Kyle wouldn't use the whole field if he had Allen/Mahomes/Watson as his starting QB. Matt Ryan and his IAY in 2016 prove that they actually did. Good HC's play to their players strengths and that's what is happening here.

Funny how the area of the field you b***h about weekly was exploited with Jimmy and Goodwin and since Goodwin has been gone, it hasn't. Maybe this is more of a scheme, philosophy and personnel choice by Kyle (not Jimmy).

+10 yards to the deeper outside with guys like Aiyuk and Deebo who don't create space like Goodwin did is a lower % throw that can lead to pick 6's.

Go rewatch the videos of Goodwin here. His speed was very much respected here and it helped create a lot of space on sideline routes.

You want what I want. But Kyle hasn't brought that guy in here and Goodwin was inherited.

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Great point

Originally posted by thl408:
brodieblue tells me I'm a bad student of history then goes on to compare the GB situation with Favre/Rodgers to this current SF situation. Comedy.

Jimmy is no Favre, for sure, and it's not even close.

But the Green Bay situation does go to show that a rookie QB sitting and learning isn't "wasting time" when their time does come.

So Trey isn't being wasted this year, and on the conversation of should Jimmy stay this year, Trey wouldn't be wasted sitting next year either.

That said, Trey won't be sitting next year, and Jimmy won't be a 49er next year. And even as a "Jimmy supporter", I don't think he should be a 49er this year. He plays this year, does the best he can, lets Trey learn and develop, so he can take over next year and Jimmy can go to a new situation with a team that can and will invest in him. Win for everyone involved. Trey needs to take over next year. Not just for his own development, but for the fact that, if this year has proven anything, it's that this whole trying to have it both ways and peel the band-aid off slowly approach isn't working. I think that investing so much into Trey was a mistake, and that even in the best of circumstances, will prove to have been a mistake in the grand scheme of things (I.E. 49ers with a QB at #12 + draft picks > 49ers with Trey at #3 - draft picks), but the decision has been made and you need to pick a lane and go with it.

Due to his unreadiness, keeping Jimmy for a year and letting Trey learn is a smart move. But it won't work out extending beyond this season.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
You guys are terrible students of history. Aaron rodgers sat 4 years. Gb didnt care cause they had a winner at qb. Once again trying to blow up jimmy cuz some front office draftnick is butthurt that the whole world is laughing at us dumping mac for trey.

GB had a HOFer at QB. We don't. Not even close. We don't even have an Alex smith at QB.

Jimmy > 49ers Alex

By a substantial margin.

When you look at his entire career as a Niner, I agree. But the Alex Smith we had under Harbaugh was better than Jimmy. I'd consider them equal as passers, but Alex was by far the better runner and was available for more games than Jimmy.

Wholeheartedly disagree, but thats ok. Its all opinion....except for the last part. That last part isnt a fair point at all. You cant argue that Alex was better the 1+ year with Harbaugh and then use Jimmy's availability over the duration of his time here as a reason for that. If you want to pick out the one season where Alex wasnt terrible for us, then you have to compare it to Jimmy's 2019. And IMO, Jimmy's 2019 is substantially better than Alex's 2011.

You're right. I guess after waiting so long for something out of him, my rose colored glasses probably skewed my vision those years.

Originally posted by Franchise408:

Originally posted by thl408:
brodieblue tells me I'm a bad student of history then goes on to compare the GB situation with Favre/Rodgers to this current SF situation. Comedy.

Jimmy is no Favre, for sure, and it's not even close.

But the Green Bay situation does go to show that a rookie QB sitting and learning isn't "wasting time" when their time does come.

So Trey isn't being wasted this year, and on the conversation of should Jimmy stay this year, Trey wouldn't be wasted sitting next year either.

That said, Trey won't be sitting next year, and Jimmy won't be a 49er next year. And even as a "Jimmy supporter", I don't think he should be a 49er this year. He plays this year, does the best he can, lets Trey learn and develop, so he can take over next year and Jimmy can go to a new situation with a team that can and will invest in him. Win for everyone involved. Trey needs to take over next year. Not just for his own development, but for the fact that, if this year has proven anything, it's that this whole trying to have it both ways and peel the band-aid off slowly approach isn't working. I think that investing so much into Trey was a mistake, and that even in the best of circumstances, will prove to have been a mistake in the grand scheme of things (I.E. 49ers with a QB at #12 + draft picks > 49ers with Trey at #3 - draft picks), but the decision has been made and you need to pick a lane and go with it.

Due to his unreadiness, keeping Jimmy for a year and letting Trey learn is a smart move. But it won't work out extending beyond this season.

Ya I'm definitely a believer in letting a QB sit a year. There are certain times where it is not needed, but in this case I have no problem with Trey waiting until next year, I don't believe it will hurt him at all.

I have zero doubt that Trey will be the starter next year, no matter what happens this year. A big part of that is because of the owner as well. Remember, Jed in the end is the one who OK'd this move to pay both players this year. Trey isn't Rodgers getting drafted 30th overall. Next year he's gonna count 7.5 mil against the cap, so that kind of tells you all you need to know.

But ya, comparing Rodgers/Favre scenario is just ridiculous.

Time on the bench helped Kaepernick. Regardless of how you feel about Alex, Kaepernick came in ready to play when he got his chance. Just like Kaep/Kap, Treys time will come. Whether it's now or next year depends on Jimmy.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
what did he say?

He said this except about the 49ers

So Jimmy is George Costanza?

Trey has to start next year, even if he's not ready. Kyle has tied his future and our teams future to this working out.

This season lets him see how to be a pro, get used to game speed and work on simple things like his mechanics. He absolutely needs to show substantial growth next year.

Originally posted by Franchise408:

Originally posted by thl408:
brodieblue tells me I'm a bad student of history then goes on to compare the GB situation with Favre/Rodgers to this current SF situation. Comedy.

Jimmy is no Favre, for sure, and it's not even close.

But the Green Bay situation does go to show that a rookie QB sitting and learning isn't "wasting time" when their time does come.

So Trey isn't being wasted this year, and on the conversation of should Jimmy stay this year, Trey wouldn't be wasted sitting next year either.

That said, Trey won't be sitting next year, and Jimmy won't be a 49er next year. And even as a "Jimmy supporter", I don't think he should be a 49er this year. He plays this year, does the best he can, lets Trey learn and develop, so he can take over next year and Jimmy can go to a new situation with a team that can and will invest in him. Win for everyone involved. Trey needs to take over next year. Not just for his own development, but for the fact that, if this year has proven anything, it's that this whole trying to have it both ways and peel the band-aid off slowly approach isn't working. I think that investing so much into Trey was a mistake, and that even in the best of circumstances, will prove to have been a mistake in the grand scheme of things (I.E. 49ers with a QB at #12 + draft picks > 49ers with Trey at #3 - draft picks), but the decision has been made and you need to pick a lane and go with it.

Due to his unreadiness, keeping Jimmy for a year and letting Trey learn is a smart move. But it won't work out extending beyond this season.

The reason why the Rodgers/Mahomes comparisons are faulty at best is because no one can definitively PROVE that sitting is the reason they are what they became. It is impossible to prove that they would NOT have been just as successful if they started day 1. Thats one of the things a few of us have been saying from the jump.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Time on the bench helped Kaepernick. Regardless of how you feel about Alex, Kaepernick came in ready to play when he got his chance. Just like Kaep/Kap, Treys time will come. Whether it's now or next year depends on Jimmy.

Again,...you don't know that. You're making wild proclamations without any way to prove them. You're not making your point any stronger.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
You guys are terrible students of history. Aaron rodgers sat 4 years. Gb didnt care cause they had a winner at qb. Once again trying to blow up jimmy cuz some front office draftnick is butthurt that the whole world is laughing at us dumping mac for trey.

GB had a HOFer at QB. We don't. Not even close. We don't even have an Alex smith at QB.

brodieblue tells me I'm a bad student of history then goes on to compare the GB situation with Favre/Rodgers to this current SF situation. Comedy.

Gteat qbs have sat a fair amount of time. Plenty of examples to counter your claim. What's wrong with that?

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Franchise408:

Originally posted by thl408:
brodieblue tells me I'm a bad student of history then goes on to compare the GB situation with Favre/Rodgers to this current SF situation. Comedy.

Jimmy is no Favre, for sure, and it's not even close.

But the Green Bay situation does go to show that a rookie QB sitting and learning isn't "wasting time" when their time does come.

So Trey isn't being wasted this year, and on the conversation of should Jimmy stay this year, Trey wouldn't be wasted sitting next year either.

That said, Trey won't be sitting next year, and Jimmy won't be a 49er next year. And even as a "Jimmy supporter", I don't think he should be a 49er this year. He plays this year, does the best he can, lets Trey learn and develop, so he can take over next year and Jimmy can go to a new situation with a team that can and will invest in him. Win for everyone involved. Trey needs to take over next year. Not just for his own development, but for the fact that, if this year has proven anything, it's that this whole trying to have it both ways and peel the band-aid off slowly approach isn't working. I think that investing so much into Trey was a mistake, and that even in the best of circumstances, will prove to have been a mistake in the grand scheme of things (I.E. 49ers with a QB at #12 + draft picks > 49ers with Trey at #3 - draft picks), but the decision has been made and you need to pick a lane and go with it.

Due to his unreadiness, keeping Jimmy for a year and letting Trey learn is a smart move. But it won't work out extending beyond this season.

The reason why the Rodgers/Mahomes comparisons are faulty at best is because no one can definitively PROVE that sitting is the reason they are what they became. It is impossible to prove that they would NOT have been just as successful if they started day 1. Thats one of the things a few of us have been saying from the jump.

With Pat? Idk, probably would've just been as good.

Rodgers? He needed that year. I've posted this before, but check out his clips from Cal, and compare them to the NFL, his mechanics are a complete 180. Like I said, some players need it, some don't. In Lance's case, I don't think this will hurt him at all.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Time on the bench helped Kaepernick. Regardless of how you feel about Alex, Kaepernick came in ready to play when he got his chance. Just like Kaep/Kap, Treys time will come. Whether it's now or next year depends on Jimmy.

Again,...you don't know that. You're making wild proclamations without any way to prove them. You're not making your point any stronger.

It's an educated guess. I watched a lot of Kaep in college. He was extremely raw with a lot of ability that played for a small school, like Trey. I don't think Kaep/Kap was anywhere close to being ready. Can I prove that? No.

Originally posted by jcs:
Trey has to start next year, even if he's not ready. Kyle has tied his future and our teams future to this working out.

This season lets him see how to be a pro, get used to game speed and work on simple things like his mechanics. He absolutely needs to show substantial growth next year.

He spent basically a whole 2020 lost season learning to be a pro....he spent a lot of time with Avery and NFL QBs throughout the NFL season/playbooks (he would attack each week like an NFL QB). He couldn't learn a specific offense, but they tried to make the 2020 as similar as possible with how to prepare like a NFL QB.

There's a podcast with Avery talking about all the specifics, I can't remember which pod it was on (I listen too to many) but it was back during the draft process.

Just listened to his interview and I didn't hear anything wrong?