Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by Goatie:
What are the advantages/disadvantage for HC calling plays with QB in shotgun compared to under centre?

1) The QB is already in the pocket so quick, "instant" passes are more readily available on the playsheet without the need for a 3 or 5 step drop.

2) Your QB has a wider view of the field

3) OLinemen have more room to move around behind the LOS when the play begins.

4) With mobile QBs, the advantage should be obvious

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by thl408:
Nice stuff. If you do decide to go back and do this legwork, can you go in with the definition of 'spread' as, "having at least one eligible receiver to each side of the formation, lined up outside the numbers". Personnel does not matter, it's all about formation. It's a lot of work to go back and record this, but I think that's what we should define 'spread' as. I have to think PFF tallies things like this and we can just ask someone that has a PFF subscription.

Well, i learn something new every day, and now have a new idea of spread. The fact JG was in shotgun for our passes, i missed. If JG plays better that way, which is pretty much how he played when he first arrived here, i hope we haven't been using him in the wrong set the last 3 yrs. He definitely seems to play better out of the gun.

I think Kyle not calling one single play action passing play is a massive shift from his usual game plans for Jimmy Garoppolo.

Do you mean no playaction from under center or no playaction at all? I'm not in front of my computer otherwise I'd check myself. That's unheard of for Kyle to use zero play action passes.

I really don't like the overuse of the PA that Kyle calls. The PA does protect your QB a bit better, but doesn't really let them play to their best abilities unless you have that tool set as a QB.

Jimmy with his quick release should've always been used in a spread type offense for the majority of the game. RPO/PA just isn't his thing, and to be fair to Jimmy, most QBs don't do well in that sort of offense. If RPO/PA is your staple, you need to have an elusive QB, or one that has a great arm to quickly adjust to other throws. RW is a guy that is perfect for this type of offense.

Jimmy should be allowed to work from the gun, RPOs here and there, PA here and there, but keep him in a position were he can see the whole field, the defense isn't bunched up, and let him use his quick release and good accuracy.

Like NC has said, 2017 game plan should've been the staple in this offense. At least when you consider Jimmy's skill set.

Jimmy came from spread in college. And NE used a lot of spread elements when Brady was there. They did other things too but there were many games where they spread it out and used ball control passing for Brady to hit quick separators in Edelman Welker Amendola (sp) and the RBs. So Jimmy came from that. Most QBs nowadays will do better in spread since so many colleges use it as a staple of their offense, going back a decade.

We have 8 more weeks of Jimmy. I guess better late than never lol.

What are the advantages/disadvantage for HC calling plays with QB in shotgun compared to under centre?

Under center, playaction is more effective because it takes longer to execute, which holds the LBs for a longer duration. This makes 7 step timing plays more natural. Another advantage is the QB doesn't have to take his eyes off the field to catch a shotgun snap so his eyes can remain looking at the defense.

Rhythm passing plays are more difficult from under center because timing of footwork is more demanding (Joe Montana preferred to be under center because his footwork timing was on point). If there is an A gap blitz, then the QB may have to speed up his footwork. Not many college QBs have the dropback footwork aspect of QB'ing honed when they arrive in the NFL.

From shotgun, the QB has a better view of the field once he receives the snap. Playaction is less effective.

The conversation above with NC and TheGore49er is more about spread formation versus non-spread to give Jimmy a better presnap read. Not so much shotgun versus under center.

One thing that has bothered me awhile, is that when he arrived, jimmy seemed Iike a much better qB than the following yrs. Line up, read the D, snap the ball and gun it. And he was excellent at it. Next yr, he did everything Kyle's way but was much less effective. Kyle was famous for scheming guys open. But JG was a better qB in his first 5 games here ( the last 5 games of the season) of yr 1. Actually, it seemed that he never got back to the quality of Qb we had initially . And it was obvious he was changing his qB play to do exactly what his OC/HC wanted. In effect, i felt he became a lesser Qb once he did everything Kyle's way. We did have a helluva run O tho, the ZBS.

So , i guess it was a trade off, but i sure liked his QBing when he arrived and wished he would return to that , basically shotgun, (with a spread O), but that wasn't in Kyle's plans…until CHI. I still wish he would return to the way he was …in shotgun… from here on out. He definitely is a lot more comfortable in it. But then our ZBS isn't there. So maybe a happy medium would be half gun and half plays under C…or 3/4 and 1/4. I reckon that would mean we would have to run man/power blocking for our ground game while in the gun, but….

Just a thot.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
One thing that has bothered me awhile, is that when he arrived, jimmy seemed Iike a much better qB than the following yrs. Line up, read the D, snap the ball and gun it. And he was excellent at it. Next yr, he did everything Kyle's way but was much less effective. Kyle was famous for scheming guys open. But JG was a better qB in his first 5 games here ( the last 5 games of the season) of yr 1. Actually, it seemed that he never got back to the quality of Qb we had initially . And it was obvious he was changing his qB play to do exactly what his OC/HC wanted. In effect, i felt he became a lesser Qb once he did everything Kyle's way. We did have a helluva run O tho, the ZBS.

So , i guess it was a trade off, but i sure liked his QBing when he arrived and wished he would return to that , basically shotgun, (with a spread O), but that wasn't in Kyle's plans…until CHI. I still wish he would return to the way he was …in shotgun… from here on out. He definitely is a lot more comfortable in it. But then our ZBS isn't there. So maybe a happy medium would be half gun and half plays under C…or 3/4 and 1/4. I reckon that would mean we would have to run man/power blocking for our ground game while in the gun, but….

Just a thot.

Yes I agree. It is an example of inflexible coaching. Coach always has to compromise to suit player's strengths and visa versa. I think the pendulum has swung too far in coaches favour in this regard.

so Kittle will play, and Deebo. maybe Jeff Wilson? probably activated just as a backup working him back into things.

either way, offense is basically at full strength. no reason Jimmy and the offense shouldn't be able to execute well. Cardinals will come to play though. but things should open up for Aiyuk accordingly. hoping he and Jimmy can connect well

Come on, Jimmy - no ducks today.

Originally posted by mayo49:
Come on, Jimmy - no ducks today.

Come on. Be real for once.

Does anypne say "Come on Trey -- we know the blindfolds will come off today."

Stop being snide with jimmy.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Come on, Jimmy - no ducks today.

Come on. Be real for once.

Does anypne say "Come on Trey -- we know the blindfolds will come off today."

Stop being snide with jimmy.

Leave Jimmy alone!!!

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Come on, Jimmy - no ducks today.

Come on. Be real for once.

Does anypne say "Come on Trey -- we know the blindfolds will come off today."

Stop being snide with jimmy.

Jimmy let's hit those deep routes to Aiyuk and Deebo and open up the field and the run game.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Come on, Jimmy - no ducks today.

Come on. Be real for once.

Does anypne say "Come on Trey -- we know the blindfolds will come off today."

Stop being snide with jimmy.

Leave Jimmy alone!!!

YEAH. Us Jimmy fans are going to hire that dude who made that Leave Britney Alone Youtube clip to make one for Jimmy!

Check down King is check down King

Originally posted by 4ML:
Check down King is check down King

smart play when no one is open. then airs it out to kittle

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by 4ML:
Check down King is check down King

smart play when no one is open. then airs it out to kittle

extend him!

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by 4ML:
Check down King is check down King

smart play when no one is open. then airs it out to kittle

extend him!

oh is that what you took away from my post?

Jimmy playing awesome today but the rest of the team pooping the bed. it's a team game