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Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Originally posted by D-NOTTE:
Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Dsoto87:
Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
Originally posted by awol36:
Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
Those INTs were some of the worst attempts I've ever seen from a starting QB. It's so frustrating how inconsistent he is, now we're back at .500 after losing to the second worst team in the NFC. Unbelievable

did you see Tom Bradys pick 6 today?

No

Can we stop bringing this up?

No one gives a f**k about Brady throwing a pick six. It doesn't in any way make Jimmy's interceptions look any better.

Brady literally leads the league in passing yards and TDs. He has more then DOUBLE the amount of TDs that Jimmy has.

If Jimmy put up numbers even remotely close to Brady then we can start making excuses for his s**tty interceptions.

Kyle is just too safe with his passing game. He only wants to throw the ball if it is a play that is perfectly designed off his play action. Otherwise, Kyle just doesn't seem to be able to design good route combinations on normal passing plays.

Jimmy can play just like Mahommes, but damn Kyle is holding him back. Jimmy's arm >>>> rest of the NFL.

.............. Jimmy is immobile. This should really be the end of this convo... Please!!!

That's bc Kyle is holding him back. Jimmy has Lamar speed, Kyle just doesn't want him to succeed.

Ok I get it
Originally posted by random49er:

I can only guess that that's from the self-made chart here:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Penalties/Non-Penalties/Refs - 14 points (at least)
Jimmy - 7 points
Special Teams - 15 points
Defense - 7 points (quick 7 after immediately going up double digits)

Just another collective s**t in the park.

I gotta admit that 1st, you deserve an award of some type for your "Theme of The Week" campaign to sprinkle the blame around a little more evenly. Creative indeed!

I also have to admit that this one is alot better than the shotgun-spread no pa theme that I hope is now retired forever, as this one has the potential to be ALOT more tangible than ghost averages posted from out of nowhere with no link.

However, as you are probably aware, there are holes all over the place in it.

I mean,...the only one I can come close to addressing legitimately is the STs,...guessing that the 15 pts ='s Robbie's missed XP (1), the TB fumble (7), and the fake punt that went for a TD(7)?

Even then,...this is a complete mess because, for example:

1) The fake punt for a TD is technically not a STs play, since the kick was never attempted. It counts as a defensive play in the books, but go with it.

2) Benjamin's fumble didn't cost us points on the following drive. It was a complete momentum killer as we looked to bury them @ the start of the 2nd half, but I cant measure any points that came from it tangibly because we INTERCEPTED the ball near the goal line if you recall, swinging the momentum back to us, and again, the Seahawks got a goose egg out of the INT.

However, I believe Jimmy J followed that up with a sack, so that's I guess 2 points that you just attributed to Compton, not a 7 that you've already blamed on STs, even though we intercepted the ball right back?!?!

And how does STs get blamed for scores that weren't on immediate/the following drive, but Jimmy's mistakes get a pass any time we get the ball back, even though they might've killed momentum?!

As you can see it's just a cluster**** all the way around, case in point how 15 points really turns out to be 1 point.

I mean I guess the only true goals here are to absolve Jimmy of as much blame as possible and place as much blame on the Oline and others as possible.

But even still, I'd ask that this new theme have a little more work done to it after Cincy so we can somehow keep up with these errant point totals.

If the punt team is on the field for the Seahawks and the punt return team is on the field for the 49ers, that is a special teams play. Whether the ball is kicked or not doesn't determine special teams vs defense.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
grrr I know people hate Rich in here...disregard the context of the tweet (if you feel like you have too) and focus on the film.





That last one is the difference between good and great.

More like the difference between average and good.

every week he's leaving plays/yards on the field. every damn week

Nah man, that's just because Kyle doesn't want him to throw to the open man, and instead he wants him to always go to a particular man, regardless of what the defense does. /sarcasm
Originally posted by NYniner85:
oh please

Oh please yourself. Nothing you quoted was wrong.
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Have to wait for the end zone view to be sure, but I believe the Wagner INT was more a bad throw than a vision or timing issue. The throw was way behind Sherfield. You can even see Trent throw his hands up after like "What the f**k?"

Its been mentioned before, but its pretty obvious to me now that JG just can't read defenses. He's just made the same mistakes so many times now. And we're all watching it and asking, how does he not see the defender right there in the middle of the field? It's maddening. When we've got the run game working, KS can call plays that give Jimmy what I consider, easy reads/throws. When he has to actually read and react, he looks completely lost.

What I am seeing is that Jimmy has already decided where the ball is going presnap. He's basically making an educated guess. When we have the run game going, the motions and PA create easy throwing windows for him, to the spots he's already guessed would be open.

On that Wagner INT, the PA with Brunskill and Juz pulling left is supposed to pull the LBs in. It pulled Brooks(56) and Mayowa(10) in but Wagner's too smart for that. Even with Wagner not fooled by PA, the play was still there! Jimmy HAS to be able to see that. Sherf was crossing the field, almost even with Wagner, there's no way Wagner could adjust to run with him. This should have been an easy pass outside the hash. JG prob practiced this play a lot and just expected the PA to create that throwing lane for him. IDK, It seems pretty elementary to me, and not a huge ask to expect your QB to see a defender, know your WR's route will run him open, and to throw to the open space and not right at the defender. He's blind to it because he's not actually looking or reading anything.

the 2nd INT was just as bad. Hawks show Cover 3. Typical soft spot against Cover 3 is the exact spot Jimmy threw to. The seam behind the LB and under the S. With no Deebo, everyone knows Kittle is his next favorite security blanket. He clearly was trying to force the ball to Kittle here according to his presnap read. But if he was actually reading the defense at all, he'd see Wagner, one of the best coverage LBs in the NFL, taking his drop DEEP, effectively taking away that weakness. Easy read progression there, if the LB's vacate deep the easy throw would have been underneath middle, to Woerner or Mitchell. If he continues his progression, he also would have seen the left deep CB sticking with Aiyuk AND Sherfield running to open grass in the deep third. Jimmy has plenty of time to let this play develop, could have just played it safe to Woerner/Mitchell or a big play Sherfield for a TD. He instead threw it to the one spot he absolutely should not have. Again, its because I think he already made up his mind on where the ball was going was expecting the window to be there.

QB's often have to take what the defense is giving you. The problem with Jimmy is he's not seeing what the defense is giving him. At this point I'm just done with hoping he'll progress or get any better. He is what he is. He's a liability that needs to be protected with a solid run game and superb play calling. I also understand that Trey isnt ready so cool, we're stuck with Jimmy for now. Just be prepared for more teams selling out to stop the run and daring Jimmy to take over the game, and for him to disappoint us. From what I've seen over the years, its a good gamble for our opponents.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
grrr I know people hate Rich in here...disregard the context of the tweet (if you feel like you have too) and focus on the film.





That last one is the difference between good and great.

He just need more time to learn this offense.


Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Originally posted by random49er:

I can only guess that that's from the self-made chart here:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Penalties/Non-Penalties/Refs - 14 points (at least)
Jimmy - 7 points
Special Teams - 15 points
Defense - 7 points (quick 7 after immediately going up double digits)

Just another collective s**t in the park.

I gotta admit that 1st, you deserve an award of some type for the change in your "Theme of The Week" campaign that is now target at sprinkling the blame around a little more evenly. Creative indeed!

I also have to admit that this one is alot better than the shotgun-spread no pa theme that I hope is now retired forever, as this one has the potential to be ALOT more tangible than ghost averages posted from out of nowhere with no link.

However, as you are probably aware, there are holes all over the place in it.

I mean,...the only one I can come close to addressing legitimately is the STs,...guessing that the 15 pts ='s Robbie's missed XP (1), the TB fumble (7), and the fake punt that went for a TD(7)?

Even then,...this is a complete mess because, for example:

1) The fake punt for a TD is technically not a STs play, since the kick was never attempted. It counts as a defensive play in the books, but go with it.

2) Benjamin's fumble didn't cost us points on the following drive. It was a complete momentum killer as we looked to bury them @ the start of the 2nd half, but I cant measure any points that came from it tangibly because we INTERCEPTED the ball near the goal line if you recall, swinging the momentum back to us, and again, the Seahawks got a goose egg off of the ST's FUMBLE.

However, I believe Jimmy G followed that up with a SAFETY, so that's I guess 2 points that you just attributed to Compton, not a 7 that you've already blamed on STs, even though we intercepted the ball right back?!?!

And how does STs get blamed for scores that weren't on immediate/the following drive, but Jimmy's mistakes get a pass any time we get the ball back, even though they might've killed momentum as well?!

As you can see it's just a cluster**** all the way around, case in point how 15 points really turns out to be 1 point.

I mean I guess the only true goals here are to absolve Jimmy of as much blame as possible and place as much blame on the Oline and others as possible.

But even still, I'd ask that this new theme have a little more work done to it after Cincy so we can somehow keep up with these errant point totals.

If the punt team is on the field for the Seahawks and the punt return team is on the field for the 49ers, that is a special teams play. Whether the ball is kicked or not doesn't determine special teams vs defense.

I mean I can certainly understand why you'd think so, but this is actually not the case:




Notice Travis' 80 yards rushing vs. us even though his 2 rushes vs. our main defenders went for minimal yardage.

So yes, this 73 yard run for a TD counts in the books in yardage and points against our (run) defense.

Keep in mind that you are allowed to keep your defense on the field on 4th downs in case of a fake. And naturally, stats and rule books can't discriminate based on the names on jerseys, but only by position played, at best.
[ Edited by random49er on Dec 6, 2021 at 12:27 PM ]
Originally posted by Franchise408:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
oh please

Oh please yourself. Nothing you quoted was wrong.

He was one of the damn reasons we lost the freaking game...if SF isn't handing the ball off 100 times a game we're f**ked with him. Jimmy is 7-9 as a starter since 2018 when he has to throw it more 29 times in a game.

It isn't about having a bad game...it's constantly being inconsistent and leaving plays on the field. He's a game manager and when everything around him isn't great, this team is screwed. IF you're gonna be a game manager, you shouldn't be constantly in the top 10 in INT %. That's the one thing he is consistent at doing

So yeah I will say oh please...
Originally posted by Franchise408:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
oh please

Oh please yourself. Nothing you quoted was wrong.

They have been pretty quiet for 4 weeks. Same in the Mac Jones thread.

A lot has built up since then.

Let them have this one and get it out of their system.

Hopefully we get back on track with our winning formula next week.
[ Edited by NCommand on Dec 6, 2021 at 12:30 PM ]
Originally posted by NCommand:
They have been pretty quiet for 4 weeks. Same in the Mac Jones thread.

A lot has built up since then.

The Jaguars should've taken him.
[ Edited by random49er on Dec 6, 2021 at 12:31 PM ]
Originally posted by NYniner85:
He was one of the damn reasons we lost the freaking game...if SF isn't handing the ball off 100 times a game we're f**ked with him. Jimmy is 7-9 as a starter since 2018 when he has to throw it more 29 times in a game.

It isn't about having a bad game...it's constantly being inconsistent and leaving plays on the field. He's a game manager and when everything around him isn't great, this team is screwed. IF you're gonna be a game manager, you shouldn't be constantly in the top 10 in INT %. That's the one thing he is consistent at doing

So yeah I will say oh please...

I can't even call him a game manager at this point. Game managers take what the defense gives. They don't constantly make the absolute wrong read and still throw the INT. Like I said in my previous post, he's just guessing. And when he has a run game, KS gives him plays where he can guess and have a higher success rate. When he has to read/react at all, he's complete garbage.
Originally posted by random49er:
I mean I can certainly understand why you'd think so, but this is actually not the case:




Notice Travis' 80 yards rushing vs. us even though his 2 rushes vs. our main defenders went for minimal yardage.

So yes, this 73 yard run for a TD counts in the books in yardage and points against our (run) defense.

Keep in mind that you are allowed to keep your defense on the field on 4th downs in case of a fake. And naturally, stats and rule books can't discriminate based on the names on jerseys, but only by position played, at best.

You're going by stats, I'm going by common sense. If the defense isn't on the field, then the play isn't against the defense. It shows up in the stats because there is no 'rushing yards vs special teams' column.
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Originally posted by random49er:
I mean I can certainly understand why you'd think so, but this is actually not the case:




Notice Travis' 80 yards rushing vs. us even though his 2 rushes vs. our main defenders went for minimal yardage.

So yes, this 73 yard run for a TD counts in the books in yardage and points against our (run) defense.

Keep in mind that you are allowed to keep your defense on the field on 4th downs in case of a fake. And naturally, stats and rule books can't discriminate based on the names on jerseys, but only by position played, at best.

You're going by stats, I'm going by common sense. If the defense isn't on the field, then the play isn't against the defense. It shows up in the stats because there is no 'rushing yards vs special teams' column.

??? Yea. I'm going by stats and the rule books. I said that from the beginning. You attempted to correct it,...I told you/proved to you the truth, and gave you a basis for why. I can pull up tons of other references but there is no need, as you can see it right above.

If a kick is not attempted, it counts as an offensive/defensive play. You are allowed to put your main defenders out there if you want. Teams do so all the time, and it is totally up to you as a HC on how you treat your 4th downs.

This is just a lil Football 101 lesson and it's over,...what more do you want?
[ Edited by random49er on Dec 6, 2021 at 12:38 PM ]
Originally posted by NCommand:
They have been pretty quiet for 4 weeks. Same in the Mac Jones thread.

A lot has built up since then.

Let them have this one and get it out of their system.

Hopefully we get back on track with our winning formula next week.

lol since when have I been quiet about Jimmy? I gave him praise the past month or so. I didn't think he played very will vs MINN and he was bad vs Seattle. Nothing this year has changed how I view Jimmy. He's inconsistent and has been for years.

Who gives a s**t about Mac? He gets to play the easiest schedule in football, has one of if not the best defenses in football, and a top 10 rushing team. He's not SF's QB and people need to give over it.

It has NOTHING about 'Letting this have this one" it's talking about the game and what the problems really are. QB is a big one.
This entire thread is hard to watch.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
grrr I know people hate Rich in here...disregard the context of the tweet (if you feel like you have too) and focus on the film.

Cement feet. Statue. Go make play. Improvise. Leave the pocket. Do something other than this. pic.twitter.com/h3BNLAGOSW

— Rich (@richjmadrid) December 6, 2021

One beat writer said this just a "touch high" and another commenter said KJ44 jumped for it too soon. The lengths people go to to defend this are incredible. pic.twitter.com/omemsexqY0

— Rich (@richjmadrid) December 6, 2021

Aiyuk is open here but he doesn't have the arm to layer it over the corner trapping the flat. He made this throw later when it was wide open. pic.twitter.com/VqjHap9LUA

— Rich (@richjmadrid) December 6, 2021

A lob up the field to Aiyuk here goes for a big gain. Hell put it on a rope over the middle. The throw is there. pic.twitter.com/RsAnCkAWZw

— Rich (@richjmadrid) December 6, 2021
[ Edited by Heroism on Dec 6, 2021 at 12:39 PM ]
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