Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by Deebo:

Originally posted by the_dynasty:
Here we go again with this nonsense of attributing team stats to the QB.
Which team wants an injury-prone, 27+ million QB who is a statue, a turnover machine while offering next to zero downfield or big play upside, while also unable to read defenses consistently in year 8 in the league ?

HE LEADS THE LEAGUE IN YARDS PER COMPLETION!!!!! HOLLAZ!!!!

*Ignores majority come from Deebo backfield pitches that go for 70+ yards but get called a pass by weird rules

FYI pitches to Deebo don't count as passes. The ball actually has to be passed forward for a pass stat. Perhaps you're referring to a screen pass like the one vs Chicago? A pitch by definition is backward and a rush.

Originally posted by Deebo:

Originally posted by the_dynasty:
Here we go again with this nonsense of attributing team stats to the QB.
Which team wants an injury-prone, 27+ million QB who is a statue, a turnover machine while offering next to zero downfield or big play upside, while also unable to read defenses consistently in year 8 in the league ?

HE LEADS THE LEAGUE IN YARDS PER COMPLETION!!!!! HOLLAZ!!!!

*Ignores majority come from Deebo backfield pitches that go for 70+ yards but get called a pass by weird rules

Not even remotely true my friend. Jimmy is top10 in the league (#8 I think) when it comes to "completed air yards per attempt". He has been pushing the ball in the middle range a lot this year.

He is also top10 in YAC, but he's no where near to #1 there. However, because if Kyle's playcalling brilliance and our playmakers' ability with the ball in open space, Jimmy is #1 in YAC per completion, and it's not even that close.

So, you got Jimmy pushing the ball down field a bit (not super deep, but constant midrange passes) and Deebo, Kittle and Aiyuk getting over 6 YAC per reception, and that's why Jimmy is leading the league in YPA.

Stop trying to take away all credit from Jimmy in our passing attack. Yes, he benefits greatly from star-studded players, absolutely, but the truth of the matter is that he's a hell of a QB that makes some tightly contest throws over the middle, but who is also majorly flawed and has a "wtf game" every 3 or 4 games.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
FYI pitches to Deebo don't count as passes. The ball actually has to be passed forward for a pass stat. Perhaps you're referring to a screen pass like the one vs Chicago? A pitch by definition is backyard and a rush.

no, I'm talking the the immediate pitch as Deebo runs by (in the backfield) in front is technically forward, so counts as a pass

Originally posted by Deebo:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
FYI pitches to Deebo don't count as passes. The ball actually has to be passed forward for a pass stat. Perhaps you're referring to a screen pass like the one vs Chicago? A pitch by definition is backyard and a rush.

no, I'm talking the the immediate pitch as Deebo runs by (in the backfield) in front is technically forward, so counts as a pass

You're referring to what is known as a shovel pass.

First we don't run a lot of these. In fact I don't recall much of any off the top of the ol dome. Perhaps you can jog my memory particularly one that went 70+ yards.

Second don't call a shovel pass a pitch you're getting your terms mixed up. Shovel pass implies pass cuz it's right there in the phrase. Pitch implies pitched back. There is no forward pitch (such a thing would be called a pass). Also Deebo wouldn't be running by in the backfield. Typically a shovel pass a player starts lined at receiver or TE and either motions in front of the QB or get in front of the QB post snap. I don't recall seeing any shovel pass where our guy lines up in the backfield. When you mention "pitch" and "backfield" it brings to mind how we get the ball to Deebo quite often every game and it's a run.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by mitpdub:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The no trade clause expires in March, 2022. That would allow the Niners to trade him to anyone prior to or after the 2022 draft.

I thought I saw there's an $8M cap hit for next year on his contract. Do we eat that as part of making that trade ? Does that amount reduce what his new team would have to pay him?

we only eat a 1.4 mill in dead cap hit, with him leaving in any way

Thanks good info.

So if we or his agent can find a good trade partner to maximize his trade value that would be ideal. I don't see him wanting to take a pay cut, but maybe the other team can offer him 2yrs for $30 M and sell that they got him at a discount and prove it deal.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
You're referring to what is known as a shovel pass.

First we don't run a lot of these. In fact I don't recall much of any off the top of the ol dome. Perhaps you can jog my memory particularly one that went 70+ yards.

Second don't call a shovel pass a pitch you're getting your terms mixed up. Shovel pass implies pass cuz it's right there in the phrase. Pitch implies pitched back. There is no forward pitch (such a thing would be called a pass). Also Deebo wouldn't be running by in the backfield. Typically a shovel pass a player starts lined at receiver or TE and either motions in front of the QB or get in front of the QB post snap. I don't recall seeing any shovel pass where our guy lines up in the backfield. When you mention "pitch" and "backfield" it brings to mind how we get the ball to Deebo quite often every game and it's a run.

1:08 through 1:30 just two examples of his runs that are technically passes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn9cqFch2hg

Originally posted by Deebo:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
You're referring to what is known as a shovel pass.

First we don't run a lot of these. In fact I don't recall much of any off the top of the ol dome. Perhaps you can jog my memory particularly one that went 70+ yards.

Second don't call a shovel pass a pitch you're getting your terms mixed up. Shovel pass implies pass cuz it's right there in the phrase. Pitch implies pitched back. There is no forward pitch (such a thing would be called a pass). Also Deebo wouldn't be running by in the backfield. Typically a shovel pass a player starts lined at receiver or TE and either motions in front of the QB or get in front of the QB post snap. I don't recall seeing any shovel pass where our guy lines up in the backfield. When you mention "pitch" and "backfield" it brings to mind how we get the ball to Deebo quite often every game and it's a run.

1:08 through 1:30 just two examples of his runs that are technically passes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn9cqFch2hg

Those are jet sweeps

Originally posted by mitpdub:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by mitpdub:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The no trade clause expires in March, 2022. That would allow the Niners to trade him to anyone prior to or after the 2022 draft.

I thought I saw there's an $8M cap hit for next year on his contract. Do we eat that as part of making that trade ? Does that amount reduce what his new team would have to pay him?

we only eat a 1.4 mill in dead cap hit, with him leaving in any way

Thanks good info.

So if we or his agent can find a good trade partner to maximize his trade value that would be ideal. I don't see him wanting to take a pay cut, but maybe the other team can offer him 2yrs for $30 M and sell that they got him at a discount and prove it deal.

That's what I'm really curious about. I don't think any team is gonna trade him for him and just keep him on that 1 year deal. I could see them extending him but restructuring that 27 mil he's due next year.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Deebo:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
You're referring to what is known as a shovel pass.

First we don't run a lot of these. In fact I don't recall much of any off the top of the ol dome. Perhaps you can jog my memory particularly one that went 70+ yards.

Second don't call a shovel pass a pitch you're getting your terms mixed up. Shovel pass implies pass cuz it's right there in the phrase. Pitch implies pitched back. There is no forward pitch (such a thing would be called a pass). Also Deebo wouldn't be running by in the backfield. Typically a shovel pass a player starts lined at receiver or TE and either motions in front of the QB or get in front of the QB post snap. I don't recall seeing any shovel pass where our guy lines up in the backfield. When you mention "pitch" and "backfield" it brings to mind how we get the ball to Deebo quite often every game and it's a run.

1:08 through 1:30 just two examples of his runs that are technically passes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn9cqFch2hg

Those are jet sweeps

From the interwebs:

A jet sweep in football is a play football in which a receiver comes in motion across the formation and receives the ball from the quarterback. ... Though in some instances this play involves a shovel pass from the quarterback. In these situations, the jet sweep is considered a passing play.

It's a jet sweep and as I mentioned prior with a shovel pass. You shouldn't use the word "pitch" or "backfield" to describe this play. As I mentioned above he lines up at receiver and motions in position to receive the pass. Furthermore your examples are from 2020. I don't recall us doing much of this in 2021 and certainly not for 70 yards. The one Deebo 70 yarder I recall again was a screen pass vs the Bears.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Ya'll just can't let the man go in peace, can you? LOL

#Obsessed

Fans debating QBs a lot? No way, someone alert the media, I think they just found their hot topic that they can talk about on tv/radio all the time.

LOL, yes.
Those Kap and Alex threads were s**tshows for years after each of them made their last start in SF.

Lord help us.

Originally posted by ElDannMann:

Originally posted by Deebo:

Originally posted by the_dynasty:
Here we go again with this nonsense of attributing team stats to the QB.
Which team wants an injury-prone, 27+ million QB who is a statue, a turnover machine while offering next to zero downfield or big play upside, while also unable to read defenses consistently in year 8 in the league ?

HE LEADS THE LEAGUE IN YARDS PER COMPLETION!!!!! HOLLAZ!!!!

*Ignores majority come from Deebo backfield pitches that go for 70+ yards but get called a pass by weird rules

Not even remotely true my friend. Jimmy is top10 in the league (#8 I think) when it comes to "completed air yards per attempt". He has been pushing the ball in the middle range a lot this year.

He is also top10 in YAC, but he's no where near to #1 there. However, because if Kyle's playcalling brilliance and our playmakers' ability with the ball in open space, Jimmy is #1 in YAC per completion, and it's not even that close.

So, you got Jimmy pushing the ball down field a bit (not super deep, but constant midrange passes) and Deebo, Kittle and Aiyuk getting over 6 YAC per reception, and that's why Jimmy is leading the league in YPA.

Stop trying to take away all credit from Jimmy in our passing attack. Yes, he benefits greatly from star-studded players, absolutely, but the truth of the matter is that he's a hell of a QB that makes some tightly contest throws over the middle, but who is also majorly flawed and has a "wtf game" every 3 or 4 games.

We'll said.

Originally posted by father49er:

Originally posted by ElDannMann:

Originally posted by Deebo:

Originally posted by the_dynasty:
Here we go again with this nonsense of attributing team stats to the QB.
Which team wants an injury-prone, 27+ million QB who is a statue, a turnover machine while offering next to zero downfield or big play upside, while also unable to read defenses consistently in year 8 in the league ?

HE LEADS THE LEAGUE IN YARDS PER COMPLETION!!!!! HOLLAZ!!!!

*Ignores majority come from Deebo backfield pitches that go for 70+ yards but get called a pass by weird rules

Not even remotely true my friend. Jimmy is top10 in the league (#8 I think) when it comes to "completed air yards per attempt". He has been pushing the ball in the middle range a lot this year.

He is also top10 in YAC, but he's no where near to #1 there. However, because if Kyle's playcalling brilliance and our playmakers' ability with the ball in open space, Jimmy is #1 in YAC per completion, and it's not even that close.

So, you got Jimmy pushing the ball down field a bit (not super deep, but constant midrange passes) and Deebo, Kittle and Aiyuk getting over 6 YAC per reception, and that's why Jimmy is leading the league in YPA.

Stop trying to take away all credit from Jimmy in our passing attack. Yes, he benefits greatly from star-studded players, absolutely, but the truth of the matter is that he's a hell of a QB that makes some tightly contest throws over the middle, but who is also majorly flawed and has a "wtf game" every 3 or 4 games.

We'll said.

The play calling brilliance is the reason jimmy is getting run out of town on a rail.

Practically every throw is "turnover worthy" -- by design. His completions require him to hit a target surrounded by db's in the middle of the field. Agaqin, by design. kyle doesn't want jimmy to hit open players in the wide part of the field. if you think about what shanny is trying to do, you can understand why.

Anyway, what's going to happen this sunday is that Jimmy will put off surgery til after the season. he will be our #2 againt texans, on the off chance Trey can't handle the situation.

Just in case we are down, like 24-3, at half with trey at a qbr of forty something, he'll come in and get a couple scores to keep it close, then start the next week.

This thread is absolutely disgusting and unprofessional in denigrating Jimmy and it reflects on the temperamental coach and whimsical front office. The statements of some supposedly professional posters is absolutely outrageous and ban-worthy.

Jimmy probably been playing with this condition for a while and aggravated it on the ridiculous throw down that would have drawn a roughing penalty on any other qb in the nfl.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by father49er:

Originally posted by ElDannMann:

Originally posted by Deebo:

Originally posted by the_dynasty:
Here we go again with this nonsense of attributing team stats to the QB.
Which team wants an injury-prone, 27+ million QB who is a statue, a turnover machine while offering next to zero downfield or big play upside, while also unable to read defenses consistently in year 8 in the league ?

HE LEADS THE LEAGUE IN YARDS PER COMPLETION!!!!! HOLLAZ!!!!

*Ignores majority come from Deebo backfield pitches that go for 70+ yards but get called a pass by weird rules

Not even remotely true my friend. Jimmy is top10 in the league (#8 I think) when it comes to "completed air yards per attempt". He has been pushing the ball in the middle range a lot this year.

He is also top10 in YAC, but he's no where near to #1 there. However, because if Kyle's playcalling brilliance and our playmakers' ability with the ball in open space, Jimmy is #1 in YAC per completion, and it's not even that close.

So, you got Jimmy pushing the ball down field a bit (not super deep, but constant midrange passes) and Deebo, Kittle and Aiyuk getting over 6 YAC per reception, and that's why Jimmy is leading the league in YPA.

Stop trying to take away all credit from Jimmy in our passing attack. Yes, he benefits greatly from star-studded players, absolutely, but the truth of the matter is that he's a hell of a QB that makes some tightly contest throws over the middle, but who is also majorly flawed and has a "wtf game" every 3 or 4 games.

We'll said.

The play calling brilliance is the reason jimmy is getting run out of town on a rail.

Practically every throw is "turnover worthy" -- by design. His completions require him to hit a target surrounded by db's in the middle of the field. Agaqin, by design. kyle doesn't want jimmy to hit open players in the wide part of the field. if you think about what shanny is trying to do, you can understand why.

Anyway, what's going to happen this sunday is that Jimmy will put off surgery til after the season. he will be our #2 againt texans, on the off chance Trey can't handle the situation.

Just in case we are down, like 24-3, at half with trey at a qbr of forty something, he'll come in and get a couple scores to keep it close and then start the next week.

This thread is absolutely disgusting and unprofessional in denigrating Jimmy and it reflects on the coach and front office.

lol, Kyle doesn't want Jimmy to throw to open options .. man, this guy ^^ lol

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by father49er:

Originally posted by ElDannMann:

Originally posted by Deebo:

Originally posted by the_dynasty:
Here we go again with this nonsense of attributing team stats to the QB.
Which team wants an injury-prone, 27+ million QB who is a statue, a turnover machine while offering next to zero downfield or big play upside, while also unable to read defenses consistently in year 8 in the league ?

HE LEADS THE LEAGUE IN YARDS PER COMPLETION!!!!! HOLLAZ!!!!

*Ignores majority come from Deebo backfield pitches that go for 70+ yards but get called a pass by weird rules

Not even remotely true my friend. Jimmy is top10 in the league (#8 I think) when it comes to "completed air yards per attempt". He has been pushing the ball in the middle range a lot this year.

He is also top10 in YAC, but he's no where near to #1 there. However, because if Kyle's playcalling brilliance and our playmakers' ability with the ball in open space, Jimmy is #1 in YAC per completion, and it's not even that close.

So, you got Jimmy pushing the ball down field a bit (not super deep, but constant midrange passes) and Deebo, Kittle and Aiyuk getting over 6 YAC per reception, and that's why Jimmy is leading the league in YPA.

Stop trying to take away all credit from Jimmy in our passing attack. Yes, he benefits greatly from star-studded players, absolutely, but the truth of the matter is that he's a hell of a QB that makes some tightly contest throws over the middle, but who is also majorly flawed and has a "wtf game" every 3 or 4 games.

We'll said.

The play calling brilliance is the reason jimmy is getting run out of town on a rail.

Practically every throw is "turnover worthy" -- by design. His completions require him to hit a target surrounded by db's in the middle of the field. Agaqin, by design. kyle doesn't want jimmy to hit open players in the wide part of the field. if you think about what shanny is trying to do, you can understand why.

Anyway, what's going to happen this sunday is that Jimmy will put off surgery til after the season. he will be our #2 againt texans, on the off chance Trey can't handle the situation.

Just in case we are down, like 24-3, at half with trey at a qbr of forty something, he'll come in and get a couple scores to keep it close and then start the next week.

This thread is absolutely disgusting and unprofessional in denigrating Jimmy and it reflects on the coach and front office.

Lol

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by father49er:

Originally posted by ElDannMann:

Originally posted by Deebo:

Originally posted by the_dynasty:
Here we go again with this nonsense of attributing team stats to the QB.
Which team wants an injury-prone, 27+ million QB who is a statue, a turnover machine while offering next to zero downfield or big play upside, while also unable to read defenses consistently in year 8 in the league ?

HE LEADS THE LEAGUE IN YARDS PER COMPLETION!!!!! HOLLAZ!!!!

*Ignores majority come from Deebo backfield pitches that go for 70+ yards but get called a pass by weird rules

Not even remotely true my friend. Jimmy is top10 in the league (#8 I think) when it comes to "completed air yards per attempt". He has been pushing the ball in the middle range a lot this year.

He is also top10 in YAC, but he's no where near to #1 there. However, because if Kyle's playcalling brilliance and our playmakers' ability with the ball in open space, Jimmy is #1 in YAC per completion, and it's not even that close.

So, you got Jimmy pushing the ball down field a bit (not super deep, but constant midrange passes) and Deebo, Kittle and Aiyuk getting over 6 YAC per reception, and that's why Jimmy is leading the league in YPA.

Stop trying to take away all credit from Jimmy in our passing attack. Yes, he benefits greatly from star-studded players, absolutely, but the truth of the matter is that he's a hell of a QB that makes some tightly contest throws over the middle, but who is also majorly flawed and has a "wtf game" every 3 or 4 games.

We'll said.

The play calling brilliance is the reason jimmy is getting run out of town on a rail.

Practically every throw is "turnover worthy" -- by design. His completions require him to hit a target surrounded by db's in the middle of the field. Agaqin, by design. kyle doesn't want jimmy to hit open players in the wide part of the field. if you think about what shanny is trying to do, you can understand why.

Anyway, what's going to happen this sunday is that Jimmy will put off surgery til after the season. he will be our #2 againt texans, on the off chance Trey can't handle the situation.

Just in case we are down, like 24-3, at half with trey at a qbr of forty something, he'll come in and get a couple scores to keep it close and then start the next week.

This thread is absolutely disgusting and unprofessional in denigrating Jimmy and it reflects on the coach and front office.

lol, Kyle doesn't want Jimmy to throw to open options .. man, this guy ^^ lol

Kyle designed the play in which Jimmy was supposed to miss the throw to Juscyck.

Am I doing this right?