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Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Originally posted by OhioNiner:
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Niners99:
I like how Jimmy said "I played the entire Titans game with it hurt, so I think I can go this week." Uh, you had one of your worst career games. How about sit this one out…

I agree he didn't play great but let's get real he had an 88 rating. If one of your "worst career games" is an 88 rating

Did you watch the game or just look at stats? He lost us the game.

People can't have it both ways. They can't say, "You can't cite Jimmy's won loss record because that's a team stat" and then say, "Jimmy lost us the game" when there were 10 other guys on offense, and more than that subbing in, 11 guys on defense, and more than that subbing in, and guys on special teams who in multiple cases and perhaps at multiple times screwed something up along the way.

Sure they can. "Jimmy is X and Y as a starter!" contains no context and thus the win-loss record of a TEAM cannot fully or accurately portray the abilities of an individual player. "Jimmy lost this game for our team because of X and Y" does contain the context to attribute a loss to one individual primary contributer.

Interception in the endzone. Loss of points. Missed Juice. Loss of points. Interception on our side of the field. Led to their points. Yes, the defense struggled mightily in the second half. Yes, special teams are as abysmal as we've all come to expect. With that said, you expect your QB to be good enough to overcome these struggles, and make up for any weak links. No QB, no matter how good, can make up for a bad team 17 games a year. But one or two? Absolutely. Versus a beat up Titans team, Jimmy handed them the game. Going into half time someone tweeted how good the defense had looked. I responded, long road trip on a short week, offense is going to need to start sustaining some drives if we are to hold up. And sure enough, turnovers and short drives without points led to our defense getting absolutely gassed.

Not entirely incorrect but again it works both ways. Someone said it brilliantly when they said the media and the marketing arm of the NFL has conditioned everyone to focus on almost nothing but the quarterback. Paraphrasing obviously but it is nonetheless true.

As a result, almost like the President of the United States, which is a digression I know- but the point is too much credit and blame for everything. The quarterback is realistically given probably too much credit for a heck of a lot of wins and too much blame for a heck of a lot of losses.

And again the point is, you're pointing the finger at Jimmy and saying, in your own words, he has to be good enough to make up for any weak links. Yet at the same time if the quarterback is the weak link in a particular game, there is no accountability or no expectation on other components of the team to make up for that particular weak link. Or even if there is, they still tend to get a pass because they're not the quarterback. But if multiple links in the game are bad or weak, than guess what. You're probably going to lose.

The reality is this can all be summed up like this. A large percentage or at least a very vocal percentage of people here convinced themselves and set it in their minds that even with injuries, even with generally poor pass protection, even with maybe the weakest set of starting corners in the league, right now anyway, and even with almost no running backs staying healthy two weeks in a row the biggest problem and the biggest thing holding the team back is Jimmy Garoppolo. Now, that was decided before some of the other things happened when it comes to injuries and our secondary and so forth. But because it was decided and there's no going back mentally on that that's going to be the predicted complaint every single week- at least when we lose.
Originally posted by Goatie:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Yes it's a team game where the QB matters the most. He lost that game. Inaccurate, won't go deep, timid, holding on too long etc etc. he was a mess.
lol, blaming the Defense or whatnot when the offense is in charge of scoring

Bro it's insane the stuff we read here. We are all emotional (which is why I try to avoid game days lol) but I mean.... cmon man! Jimmy sucks. You can only polish a turd so much. Just ask Kyle.

You'll have to explain how someone who sucks is 30-14, leads the NFL in yds/completion, is top 10 in rating, etc. Good luck. After the Falcons he's Jimmy Jesus. After the Titans he's a "turd" who "sucks".

Could the truth lie somewhere in between?

It is so much like that one here. Any psych analysing this fan base would conclude Bipolar

They really would.
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

He just lets his camp spill the beans to the media lol

huh? no one knew of the injury until monday

Kyle said sprain thumb yesterday, then the media blasts off about UCL and fractures…someone told them because Kyles presser sure didn't
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Niners99:
I like how Jimmy said "I played the entire Titans game with it hurt, so I think I can go this week." Uh, you had one of your worst career games. How about sit this one out…

I agree he didn't play great but let's get real he had an 88 rating. If one of your "worst career games" is an 88 rating

Did you watch the game or just look at stats? He lost us the game.

Two bad INTs and a bad miss to Juice. That's three plays. I agree if he plays better we win. But to call it among "worst career games"? Let's take the whole game for what it was.

Saying lost us the game doesn't really mean much. For instance imagine someone catches 10 passes for 188 yards and 2 scores. Imagine same player drops a game winning TD. You could rightly say he "lost us the game" and indeed if he makes that one play we win. But in reality how would we have fared if he didn't play at all? It's an open question.

26-35, 74%, 322 pass yds, 1 TD 2 INT, 88 rating

Agree with you here man, that loss was on Jimmy BUT it certainly wasn't his worst game. I wanna say his home opener vs Arizona last season might be worst than this past one. People like to exaggerate the hell outta things because its a loss.
nah it was bad.. every pass was awfull. every thing was high, inaccurate, took 5 sec protection sacks.. just bad

Right, but was it his worst??
so many to choose from.. if this isn't, then it's close

I cant remember a game that I felt Jimmy single handedly lost us other than this Titans game.
Lost games..? Seattle was pretty bad,

There are a lot of ugly wins also Minn was saved by our run game.. Cinici started really bad but gifted us Redzone appearances which helped saved the game, not including a dropped pick 6...
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Look at my boy, Lance. Go get it!

Bs, you were a Mac guy!

He's a different guy everyday.
The most accurate thing posted in this entire thread
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Nothing makes sense. Does grade three require surgery or not? How can it be a "complete tear" if the bone chip "isn't moving?"

No matter. if trey can dog paddle his way through this, fine.

But that Mills guy is looking real good. i'm not sure what we do with no Mitchell.

The Texans have the worst offense in the league…they're near the bottom in run D DVOA. They're gonna run the ball a lot regardless of who's the QB.

Mills got to face half a LAC team…Covid killed them last week.

And actually, and I won't go there as there's another forum for that and I have thoughts that some but probably many won't agree with... but that's why none of this hand wringing and arguing may matter anyway. I mean they're cancelling college bowl games.

I'm not suspecting cancellation of the playoffs or Super Bowl at this stage. But at the same time the way people are reacting that wouldn't totally stun me either.
Jimmy always has thrown a difficult ball to catch. I can only imagine what a wet and soggy ball will look now with a torn/broken finger. Maybe so bad the Texans won't have any luck catching the ducks coming right at them. I've said it before, Trey better start this game or it's a huge sign they are in a huge mess at the qb position for now and the future.
Originally posted by 49ers81:
I swear, it's as though people check their brains at the door when they come into these QB threads. The amount of nit picking and hair splitting that goes on in here and the Trey Lance thread is really off the charts as posters are just intent on convincing people who stopped listening to them a long time ago about the "truth" of their opinions, no matter what side of the debate they are on. It's just endless.

Having gotten that said I see that Jimmy thinks he will be able to play against Houston. Not sure I am crazy about that idea. This game is too important for making it to the post season and I don't want there to be any excuses about how he wasn't able to throw the ball effectively or have it lead to another game changing interception. I think I would almost prefer Lance to start. Give the Texans something to think about and maybe have his mobility help the offense out a bit. I also think having him in there might add an extra bit of motivation for everyone else on the team as they not only try to help make this start a success for him but also focus in on the job of making it to the playoffs.

It's a tough situation. The reality is a healthy Jimmy gives us the best chance to win and Trey probably still isn't quite ready.

But Jimmy also isn't quite healthy and in that scenario, yeah it's probably best to play Trey at least this week if not next and maybe more as well.
Originally posted by mattster03:
Originally posted by the_dynasty:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Does not look like his accuracy improved much. This is #1 thing with Lance. Accuracy.

I think he is intentionally leading the stationary receiver who is moving in real life... but yeah, a couple of the leads were a little much

Should be obvious to everyone.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Lost games..? Seattle was pretty bad,

There are a lot of ugly wins also Minn was saved by our run game.. Cinici started really bad but gifted us Redzone appearances which helped saved the game, not including a dropped pick 6...

The packers game as well, Jimmy also had some blame I think. That bone headed play where he threw the ball backwards to get out of a sack led to a turnover and a GB field goal which later allowed the packers to just get a field goal for the win. Granted the defense should also get roasted for giving up a field goal with 45 seconds left

Originally posted by Ghostofabshelmet:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Lost games..? Seattle was pretty bad,
There are a lot of ugly wins also Minn was saved by our run game.. Cinici started really bad but gifted us Redzone appearances which helped saved the game, not including a dropped pick 6...
The packers game as well, Jimmy also had some blame I think. That bone headed play where he threw the ball backwards to get out of a sack led to a turnover and a GB field goal which later allowed the packers to just get a field goal for the win. Granted the defense should also get roasted for giving up a field goal with 45 seconds left

I mean games where I looked at Jimmy as the sole reason we lost. The Titans game is the only game that comes to mind. He has certainly been a major reason we have lost a game before, but never IMO like the Titans game.
[ Edited by SteveWallacesHelmet on Dec 29, 2021 at 2:40 PM ]
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

He just lets his camp spill the beans to the media lol

huh? no one knew of the injury until monday

Kyle said sprain thumb yesterday, then the media blasts off about UCL and fractures…someone told them because Kyles presser sure didn't

i dont see what that has to do with him not bringing it up in the postgame presser
Originally posted by OhioNiner:
Not entirely incorrect but again it works both ways. Someone said it brilliantly when they said the media and the marketing arm of the NFL has conditioned everyone to focus on almost nothing but the quarterback. Paraphrasing obviously but it is nonetheless true.

As a result, almost like the President of the United States, which is a digression I know- but the point is too much credit and blame for everything. The quarterback is realistically given probably too much credit for a heck of a lot of wins and too much blame for a heck of a lot of losses.

And again the point is, you're pointing the finger at Jimmy and saying, in your own words, he has to be good enough to make up for any weak links. Yet at the same time if the quarterback is the weak link in a particular game, there is no accountability or no expectation on other components of the team to make up for that particular weak link. Or even if there is, they still tend to get a pass because they're not the quarterback. But if multiple links in the game are bad or weak, than guess what. You're probably going to lose.

The reality is this can all be summed up like this. A large percentage or at least a very vocal percentage of people here convinced themselves and set it in their minds that even with injuries, even with generally poor pass protection, even with maybe the weakest set of starting corners in the league, right now anyway, and even with almost no running backs staying healthy two weeks in a row the biggest problem and the biggest thing holding the team back is Jimmy Garoppolo. Now, that was decided before some of the other things happened when it comes to injuries and our secondary and so forth. But because it was decided and there's no going back mentally on that that's going to be the predicted complaint every single week- at least when we lose.

Smart post
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Ghostofabshelmet:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Lost games..? Seattle was pretty bad,
There are a lot of ugly wins also Minn was saved by our run game.. Cinici started really bad but gifted us Redzone appearances which helped saved the game, not including a dropped pick 6...
The packers game as well, Jimmy also had some blame I think. That bone headed play where he threw the ball backwards to get out of a sack led to a turnover and a GB field goal which later allowed the packers to just get a field goal for the win. Granted the defense should also get roasted for giving up a field goal with 45 seconds left

I mean games where I looked at Jimmy as the sole reason we lost. The Titans game is the only game that comes to mind. He has certainly been a major reason we have lost a game before, but never IMO like the Titans game.

Sole reason we lost? Come on please. Third and 23 and they get 42 yards. Then they execute a game winning drive vs our D. Get real.
Another 1000% classy presser from Jimmy. The adult in the room. Hoping management takes some notes.
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